Geeezzzz, I can't believe how gullible some of y'all all.
It's a frink'n JOKE people.
It's simple WATER, it's not some new molecule....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax

http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp





Fred

 

Ooooohhhh (ha ha ha?). Never seen this before. For the record, I thought there was something fishy. Thanks for clearing it up for me Fred.
Ya'll don't say ya'll in AZ, do ya'll?

 

Nah, we don't really say y'all out here.....




Fred

 

Hi there,

I think this information may help you out

Have you ever heard of HHO fuel that has got to be the best way to save on gas prices.?
? Imagine the savings. It will cost you about $160, or two tanks of gas to install an HHO

conversion kit

Hydrogen Car Kit - Save Money and Improve MPG Massively
Hydrogen car kit empowers your car to run on water and avoid oil as fuel. A vehicle however
will not be able to run on water alone. There needs to be a mixture of gasoline and water to
enable it to run smoothly.

Even the Water Fuel Conversion Kits - How Using Water As Fuel Helps Cut Your Gas Consumption

Recently,there is increased awareness among many drivers of a technology that uses plain

water tosupplement the cars' gasoline consumption. Called a water fuel conversion kit, it is

a simpleadd-on to your current car engine that uses your car battery to carry out an

electrolysis on water to produce Hydroxy gas (HHO). This Hydroxy gas is used to supplement

the burning ofgasoline in the car's engine.


Hydrogen generator kit for car can be better than gasoline or oil additives to raise gas
mileage. When you make or do it on your own, you can save money on gas but will save lots
of dollars on the kit and reproduce the system for other automobiles on your own.

saving money should be what everyonr thinks off and I have done this by using all ideas from
my free Ebook - http://www.waterfuelkit.net

I purchased the available eBooks that teach you how to run your car on water and installed

one on my "chevy 350 small block," it's pretty easy.

 

what are the ramifications of the inevitable hydrogen permeation within the metallic crystal lattices of the piston, cylinder and other metallic structures within the engine?
how does that affect the hardness, and thus the brittleness, of said parts, as well as the cylinder head?

 

Hydrogen embrittlement is real, but compared to the combusted fuel and constant soaking in oil, the "extra" hydrogen from this system (if it actually works at all) is minimal enough to not worry about it.

 

so the potential cost of component failure combined with the loss of efficiency from the hydrogen that permeates the metal structure of the engine which is no longer available for combustion is more than offset by the reduced cost of producing the hydrogen?
not withstanding the actual cost of producing the hydrogen otherwise consumed by the engine...?

 

Huh?

 

I know Honda is coming out with a new Hydrogen car. BMW has a Hydrogen car. Pretty soon the world will catch on, the oil companies will be no more and our kids might actually live to grow as old as we are.

If this can be perfected, and we could adapt this to our current vehicles.
Then sign me up. Less dependence on foreign oil. I'm all for that.

 

Hello renofox,this information might come in handy.For detailed information visit the website link provided.
People Are looking for ways to save on gas and use water 4 gas or fuel It has almost become a way of life. People all over the world are doing something to get high miles per gallon out of their car. Angry and frustrated consumers who are seeking ways to save money on gas. Water 4 gas or fuel is one of the things people are looking at. There are groups of people who hate gas prices and share ideas and strategies to save money on gas. The main thing they talk about is water 4 gas or fuel.

They also share tips to increase gas mileage. Driving slower, keeping your tires pumped to correct pressure, don't carry extra weight in your car. Some will even turn off the engine and coast downhill. Some will turn off the engine at a red light. These things help, but if you want big savings you will have to really consider water 4 gas or fuel.

At $4.00 a gallon, desperation is starting to set in. There are some people that have to choose between gas and food. What will we do when it gets to $10.00 a gallon. My advise, don't wait. Get the water 4 gas or fuel guide and start saving money now.

You know as well as I do, that when gas gets to $10.00 a gallon, the price of everything else will go up. Just look around you. I dare you to pick out one item that did not travel by truck. To modify your car to burn water is really simple. A simple step-by-step manual that even gives you a tax credit with Uncle Sam will show you how to Save on Gas Now!

It can actually be addictive to see how much you can stretch your gas dollars. One man managed to get 121 MPG out of a car that was meant to only get 61 MPG on the highway!

Water Car Pro A gas mileage device that helps you reduce the amount of gas your car or truck is guzzling is rapidly becoming the talk of the town. because you can't rely on the simple gas gauge you see on the dashboard of your car. And don't believe those sticker gas mileage stats you saw at the dealership, either!

I really object to paying twice the price for gas that I used to, when it doesn't cost any more to extract and refine. Someone is just making money out of us all, and I hate being ripped off. Water 4 gas or fuel is the ideal substitute. Bill Edwards Website development, social commentary, environmental watchdog. Bill talks about alternative Hybrid car, and gas saving tips on his website. Get more information on gas savings ,hybrid cars, and water powered cars at; http://www.waterfuelkit.net

 

Hello renofox,this information might come in handy.
People Are looking for ways to save on gas and use water 4 gas or fuel It has almost become a way of life. People all over the world are doing something to get high miles per gallon out of their car. Angry and frustrated consumers who are seeking ways to save money on gas. Water 4 gas or fuel is one of the things people are looking at. There are groups of people who hate gas prices and share ideas and strategies to save money on gas. The main thing they talk about is water 4 gas or fuel.

They also share tips to increase gas mileage. Driving slower, keeping your tires pumped to correct pressure, don't carry extra weight in your car. Some will even turn off the engine and coast downhill. Some will turn off the engine at a red light. These things help, but if you want big savings you will have to really consider water 4 gas or fuel.

At $4.00 a gallon, desperation is starting to set in. There are some people that have to choose between gas and food. What will we do when it gets to $10.00 a gallon. My advise, don't wait. Get the water 4 gas or fuel guide and start saving money now.

You know as well as I do, that when gas gets to $10.00 a gallon, the price of everything else will go up. Just look around you. I dare you to pick out one item that did not travel by truck. To modify your car to burn water is really simple. A simple step-by-step manual that even gives you a tax credit with Uncle Sam will show you how to Save on Gas Now!

It can actually be addictive to see how much you can stretch your gas dollars. One man managed to get 121 MPG out of a car that was meant to only get 61 MPG on the highway!

Water Car Pro A gas mileage device that helps you reduce the amount of gas your car or truck is guzzling is rapidly becoming the talk of the town. because you can't rely on the simple gas gauge you see on the dashboard of your car. And don't believe those sticker gas mileage stats you saw at the dealership, either!

I really object to paying twice the price for gas that I used to, when it doesn't cost any more to extract and refine. Someone is just making money out of us all, and I hate being ripped off. Water 4 gas or fuel is the ideal substitute. Bill Edwards Website development, social commentary, environmental watchdog. Bill talks about alternative Hybrid car, and gas saving tips on his website. Get more information on gas savings ,hybrid cars, and water powered cars at; http://www.waterfuelkit.net

 

No one said that cars can't run on hydrogen. Clearly they can, and if you have a tank of it - it'll work great.

The overall objection is to the concept that you can take a tank of water, extract hydrogen and oxygen, and it increases your mileage - with no other trade off... IE - free energy.


It's largely preying on high fuel prices and people's desires for a snake oil cure. There is a basis is science - dating back to "Brown's gas" (1977). Does it produce hydrogen? Sure.. I buy it, but not nearly enough to even begin to impact the kind of fuel consumption that you see driving on the road. Even a 22R series is capable of pulling 250cfm, which is a ton of volume!

http://mobjectivist.blogspot.com/200...nkleinhho.html

 

I agree. There is undoubtly proof that you can run a car on hydrogen - I think someone here posted a clip of Jack Nicholson driving a hydrogen powered car in 1977, not to mention recent cars being developed.
I have not seen proof with my own two eyes that a car can produce enough hydrogen to make an increase in mileage. I've read it all over the internet, from seemingly genuine people to outright charlatans and/or scam artists (the latter and the former seem to be grouped in my search results on youtube and other sites with "zero-point energy" unfortunately).
I've also heard (but again, have not verified myself) that the alternator in a car produces a surplus of electricity. It seems to me that if you can use this surplus to increase mileage then it would not result in a gain of zero because, well, you're just using what would be wasted anyway (and an increase in mileage is an increase in mileage). However it does seem like that if you install a device that asks the alternater to produce more electricity then normal a loss would result. This question has been on my mind ever since I started reading about this stuff - I have not been satisfied on this point and I have very little time to spare to make a device and experiment on my primary means of locomotion.
I am very interested in keeping my 4runner. But I don't know if installing an electrolyzer is the answer.....I don't have the time to make one because I work all the time and I get sick of trying to sift through the internet bs. I would love to pay someone to install it if it could be proven to me that the cost to install it would more than make up for the future cost of gas, and that it would result in a positive gain in mileage of course. And of course the work would have to be done by a certified mechanic.
I don't know what my point is.....I think a lot of people are in my situation. They aren't mechanics but are aware enough to realize something has to be done and are capable of understanding the basics of what is happening mechanically and chemically. But they are tax payers, and so maybe my point is that our government needs to make the problem solving the coming energy revolution job #1. This is what will restore consumer confidence - not some ridiculus gas-tax-free holiday that Hillary and McCain suggested back in April or May. I'm not so sure about McCain, if I ever was. But that is another topic. Long post. But important discussion. On this site and everywhere.

 

With the alternator, you have two factors at play. There is the capacity (i.e. how many amps it can put out) and it's actual output (which is controlled by the voltage regulator). Sure most of the time, the alternator is not putting out all the current it is capable of. So you may have a 65 amp alternator and the engine and battery are only taking say 20 amps, so you have 45 amps of excess capacity. But of that 20 amps that it is putting out, all 20 amps are going some place (EFI, ignition, lights, radio, charging the battery, etc.). And that 45 amps of excess capacity is just that, excess capacity, i.e. it is available but not being used.

Now if you want to take advantage of that excess capacity for some purpose, like dissociating water into H and O gas, you can do that. The voltage regulator will see the extra load on the alternator and will boost it's internal voltage to pump out more current. And likewise, the alternator will be harder to spin as a result. The engine must then put out more power in order to overcome the extra drag of the alternator. Now if what you are making results in the engine producing more power than the alternator is taking, then you get a net increase in engine power and/or fuel efficiency. There lies the crux of the matter, I've yet to see any credible scientific research (i.e published in a peer reviewed scientific journal) that says this is the case.

 

Thanks for the information 4crawler....I am anxious to see hydrogen boosted engines work....I ran across a link to a website of a company that is selling a system that includes what I am assuming to be professional modification to your car's engine to run on straight hydrogen, storage tanks installed, and an external electrolyzer that you can plug into an outlet or use solar panels to power to fill the tanks. I don't what kind of range we are talking but it seems like if you could use such a system in conjunction with another fuel, say ethanol, alcohol, gasoline, or whatever, it might be a good system. I think there are problems with this set up - initial cost vs. future savings, maintenance, waranties and liabililty, and of course does it really do what it says...All those problems aside, on the face of things, it seems to me that seperate production of hydrogen to then use in your car to boost another fuel or to run totally on hydrogen seems to be the way to go.
I have to agree with Roy McAlister regarding this - we should strive to use what years of oil powered industry has already manufactured, our cars, more efficiently. As an economic cushion at least for those out there that can't afford to buy a fancy new hybrid right now. And for those of us that don't want to lose our great toyota trucks!

 

4crawler, I forgot to mention but I have seen two abstracts of papers written by 2 scientists that worked for the jet propulsion lab in the 70's. They are kept in a scientific journal database that can be accessed online, but you have to pay. The subject of the paper or papers was hydrogen usage in IC engines...I don't know much more than that as I have not payed the money to get access to the papers....I will try to find and post the link to the journal database's website if you are interested. It looked and sounded legit to me, but I am not someone who would be familiar with these kinds of publications.

 

Oh yes, there are lots of papers on adding hydrogen and other gaseous fuels to internal combustion engines. And yes, as you would expect by adding more fuel to an engine you get more power. The diesel folks do this by adding propane gas to the intake.

What I have yet to see is anything that says you can make enough hydrogen from the alternator as you need it to have any effect. They tried a test of that on Mythbusters a few years back and were not able to keep the engine running on the generated hydrogen, but they did not test the additive effects of gasoline + hydrogen. But they did run their test engine on pure H2 from a welding tank.

They have a pretty good discussion below:
- http://community.discovery.com/eve/f...8/m/2321969559

 

I haven't checked this discussion in awhile. Not to be rude, it seems that allot of you need to research The Law of Conservation of Energy. Key word law

I hope everyone can agree that an onboard on demand (strictly electrolytic)"HHO" system will not work. . .

Hydrogen vehicles are being developed and "in production". These vehicles do not burn hydrogen. They use a system that is pretty much the reverse of electrolysis. Electricity is created from hydrogen and oxygen (go research it I won’t bother explaining it here)

Creating “HHO” or hydrogen at home, to use in a vehicle, is somewhat impractical. You simply cannot store enough of this gas in a vehicle without compressing into a liquid state.

I’m thinking the only way the hydrogen addition systems would help is by making your vehicle run lean

Anyways, have fun hacking this one up.

 

What do you make of Roy McAlister's work? Search for him on youtube.

 

Ah... found the right thread! Odd that this didn't show up in my search a couple days ago.


Anyways, for all the nay sayers, I have a guy on my Solara forum that is running a Hydroxy rig. His I4 Solara that should be getting 38 highway tops, just hit 70mpg on a road trip. He hasn't been running it long enough to make me want to hack up my summer car (the solara) but I'd love to try it on the T4R. Only issue I foresee is that the Solara was able to use a generic MAF adjuster so it wouldn't run mega rich with the HHO abeing tossed in. Not sure what that'll mean for that f@#$ing VAFM on the 3.0.

Here's some vids of RDKamikaze's work.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gI98kMIhrrg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qONMDv7iG8M
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nmU2s1qHDVM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_os5b2GshpM