Notices
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners 2nd/3rd gen pickups, and 1st/2nd gen 4Runners with IFS
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: DashLynx

Funky running in the morning....

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-09-2007, 04:44 AM
  #1  
Contributing Member
Thread Starter
 
chimmike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SRQ, FL
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Funky running in the morning....

So every morning I crank up the beast, and drive it to work. It's kinda sluggish before getting into operating temp. Right when it gets to normal operating temp, I try to accelerate from a stop, and it becomes downright piggish. Feels like it starts in 2nd gear and is only running on 4 cylinders. Won't downshift, nothing. I almost have to ride it out to 45-50mph, then next time I come to a complete stop, it doesn't act AS sluggish...but still hesitant on initial acceleration.

After the entire vehicle is good and warmed up, everything is basically okay......

any ideas what's going on? I'm tripping a EGR temp code and rich condition code also.
Old 02-09-2007, 09:39 AM
  #2  
Contributing Member
Thread Starter
 
chimmike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SRQ, FL
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
so....
Old 02-09-2007, 09:54 AM
  #3  
Registered User
 
MMA_Alex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Downeast, ME
Posts: 1,458
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
you're talking about a 3.0 right? My 22re always feels like its running on 4 cyls lol.

coolant temp sensor?

02?

Not sure what the egr temp code means, but if its running rich it could be the computer not realizing the engine is up to operating temp, or bad readings from the 02 sensor.

Its probably a sensor of some sort, but sorry I dont know the 3vze too well.
Old 02-09-2007, 10:39 AM
  #4  
Contributing Member
Thread Starter
 
chimmike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SRQ, FL
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
yep 3.slow, sorry for not specifying.
Old 02-09-2007, 11:31 AM
  #5  
Banned
 
^VooDoo^'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Alhambra CA.
Posts: 393
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
the EGR code could just be a seprate issue, If the EGR mainvalve got stuck or held open you would be getting leanout problem and stalls at idle but other then that EGR is invisable.
Sounds like it could be the O2 sensor is not coming up to temp before it goes into closed loop or Coolant temp sensor, Unplug it and check for dirty terminals, (Its behind the throttlebody near the firewall, The right side one).
Just for peace of mind check the O2 harness and make sure the its damaged and that the plug is clean, Also for grounding perposes loosen the nuts and retighten them.

If that doesnt fix it try this, Unplug the cold start injector and in the morning when its cold and you head to work (does it drive any different) you can plug it in easly if its really hard to start or runs worst, That eliminates the coldstart injector and coldstart switch as a cause.

One more thing, Pull the EFI relay and push it back in to break any oxidation on its terminals.

More info, Like Alex said, Do you think its running rich or lean?
Old 02-09-2007, 11:58 AM
  #6  
Contributing Member
Thread Starter
 
chimmike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SRQ, FL
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
definitely, DEFINITELY running rich.

I'll check for oxidation and I'm pretty sure the O2 sensor is fouled, at the very minimum, and needs to be replaced.....

Where is the cold start injector? So this damn truck has SEVEN injectors? geez. Toyota made things so damn complicated in the early 90s.

my 03 350z was far simpler than this crap lol.

Last edited by chimmike; 02-09-2007 at 12:00 PM.
Old 02-09-2007, 06:22 PM
  #7  
Contributing Member
Thread Starter
 
chimmike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SRQ, FL
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
woot et bump
Old 02-10-2007, 05:15 PM
  #8  
Registered User
 
MMA_Alex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Downeast, ME
Posts: 1,458
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Some FSM stuff to look over, some of which you should check to make sure it's operating properly as we discussed above.

FSM cold start injector info

Regular Injectors info

Cold Start injector time switch

ECT sensor info
Old 02-10-2007, 05:22 PM
  #9  
Registered User
 
keithguts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bay Shore, NY
Posts: 1,424
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by MMA_Alex
Some FSM stuff to look over, some of which you should check to make sure it's operating properly as we discussed above.

FSM cold start injector info

Regular Injectors info

Cold Start injector time switch

ECT sensor info
I agree with this
Old 02-11-2007, 05:57 PM
  #10  
Registered User
 
Tdubbs05's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Los Altos, CA (Flagstaff, AZ for college)
Posts: 341
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
when the tranny's being sluggish in the morning, it's cause the atf has to get up to operating temp before it shifts properly. not sure bout the rest though but i'd say starting with some sensors would be the best start to troubleshooting.
Old 02-11-2007, 08:41 PM
  #11  
Registered User
 
LS1Steve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Encinitas, CA
Posts: 261
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i had similar problem. changed the 02 and it helped a LOT. definitely worthwhile if its the original one.
www.sparkplugs.com for best price, I got the ngk (actually its ntk) and am very happy. around $50 shipped
Old 02-12-2007, 05:00 AM
  #12  
Contributing Member
Thread Starter
 
chimmike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SRQ, FL
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
that's a good price, as freakin Autozone wanted $90 for the o2!

I know the o2 in my ride is bad. However, installing the FIPK this weekend helped a little bit.
Old 02-12-2007, 05:48 AM
  #13  
Registered User
 
Tdubbs05's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Los Altos, CA (Flagstaff, AZ for college)
Posts: 341
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
i forget how much i got my o2 sensor for but talk with Evan Nickols
phone # 818-734-5600
email evann@northridgetoyota.com

he had a thread about 25% off and free shipping for yotatech users. oh one thing about o2 sensors is don't by a boshe for 2nd gen 4runners/trucks. ppl have had bad experiences with them because they're too short and give bad readings. go with the stock ngk or denso.
Old 02-12-2007, 07:24 AM
  #14  
Contributing Member
Thread Starter
 
chimmike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SRQ, FL
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
good to know.....because in everything else I've had bosch o2 sensors are the best

NGK I shall be buying!
Old 02-12-2007, 09:36 AM
  #15  
Registered User
 
Hoopster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: kentucky
Posts: 250
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Definitely sounds like the o2 sensor. I just went through the same ordeal and the o2 sensor fixed it.
Old 02-13-2007, 04:57 AM
  #16  
Contributing Member
Thread Starter
 
chimmike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SRQ, FL
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I did remove the plug for the cold start injector. It seemed to need to crank for an extra second or so this morning but i ran much, much better without acting so piggish once normal operating temp hit. I think there's a temp sensor out somewhere that tripped the cold start injector to flow when normal op temp was reached, causing the truck to run horribly piggish.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
the1998sr5
95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners
15
07-14-2020 08:35 PM
Doug4320
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners
19
03-24-2018 10:11 PM
calderp
Engine Swaps
2
08-16-2016 05:15 PM
coffey50
Offroad Tech
17
07-28-2015 10:55 AM
calderp
Pre 84 Trucks
8
07-27-2015 09:58 AM



Quick Reply: Funky running in the morning....



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:39 AM.