TurboTim

Hey guys this is my first post and I hope you guys can help. I just bought a 89 Toyota 2wd pickup truck. I love Toyota products and used to be a Lexus tech. So here is my question. I see my Toyota is a carbed motor. I was really suprised and was wondering if this had a motor swap or if this is right? Next question is, is the motor of a carbed vehicle the same internals as the fuel injected motor. I was planning a turbo charging it after I converted it to fuel injection but just wanted to know if I would be better off just grabin a motor from the bone yard and rebuilding it with some low comp pistons. Last, does anyone run the turbo 22r and what kind of power are you getting? Thanks guys.

curly_c

they didnt have a carb engine 22r after 84 i believe. 85 and up were 22re. and you can put fuel injection on it easy from what i have heard. there are plunty of threads on here and pirate about that. along with people converting to propane? and diesel.

Glenn

He has a 2wd, which came with carbs well after '89...Kyle22R would know.

curly_c

Really??? huh.... i never knew that. i figured they would have just kept all the same engines as the 4wd. thats very odd.

Glenn

The 4wd trucks were the first to get EFI because they needed more power to turn their bigger tires among other reasons.

I used to own a carbed 2wd '86 truck. My old roommate had a '86 or '87 carbed 4x4 truck. Mine was faster than his.

kyle_22r

'87 was the last year of carbed 4x4s in north america. the carbed 22R was still available in more remote parts of the world for about 10 more years! EFI was an option from '85-87, then became standard in '88.

as for 2wd trucks, things get a little trickier. carbs were available until '90 or '91, so you can get an '89-95 style truck with a carburetor! haven't seen very many like that though. however, the 22RE was available earlier in the 2wds than the 4x4s! you could get a 2wd in '84 with EFI. celicas took it one step further, and they got the 22RE in '83 as an option!

trythis

My wife owned an 89 2WD 22R based truck. Unbelievably bare boned. No cigarette lighter, no radio at purchase, no power steering, manual everything, vinyl bench seat, etc. Inside was blue though, that was a feature.

curly_c

Dnag... learn something new everyday.

TurboTim

So does anyone know if the internals are weaker in the carbed motor? I have been looking in the bone yards and I am realizing that its hard to find these trucks or cars there. Damn Toyota reliability!! Otherwise is it just the intake manifold and distributor that are diffrent?

84sr5yoty

Internals for all 22r/re motors from 85-95 are EXACTLY the same. August of 84 and back is a whole different story.....

TurboTim

Thanks thats exactly what I need to know. So I am safe converting it to fuel injection and not having reliability problems

nmtoy

My 90 2wd was the bare bones model, 22R carbed, 4 sspd. My father in law has it now 210,000 miles and still going strong!

Robb

tc

Me too! My '89 22R was the bare boned 4 speed version. Only one outside mirror, no rear bumper...since mine was an AZ vehicle, it had a cloth bench and AC though. Interesting cost savings area was the tiny (12 gal) gas tank.

There is an elegant simplicity to the carbureted version. I would seriously reconsider your desire to fuel inject it unless you're going to 'wheel it and be at extreme angles where the carb might starve for fuel. The carb will make as much or more power on the street, and basically avoid any emissions issues. Since you are obviously technically inclined, adjusting the air/fuel, idle speed, and tiing periodically shouldn't be a problem.

I had the Weber 32/36 (great) and a Pacesetter header (not so great) and it made very good power. The 4 speed was geared VERY tall, and I got 20.00000000 MPG EVERY tank (if you went 150 miles, it would take exactly 7.500 gals of gas).

Engine is very stout - turbo away!

TurboTim

No I wanted to convert it to fuel injection because I was going to turbocharge it. I just picked up the manifold from the bone yard and the distributor. What years have what distributors. I got one right now but it only has a 2 wire mag pickup. I pulled it out of a RWD celica. I dont think this will work but I have not looked in the insides of it. Since its 2 wire how does is sync 1 TDC?

kyle_22r

for the fuely engine, you'll need an '85-up EFI distributor. the carbed one was analog with a vacuum advance, the fuel injected one had no advance and was electronic.

TurboTim

See thats what I figured but I pulled this dizzy from a RWD celica and it had vacuum advance but it was EFI...What gives?

kyle_22r

that'd be the oddball years, '83-84. you could get a 22RE in celicas those years(and 2wd trucks in '84) but it was an early style engine like an '81-84 22R, and it had a first generation fuel injection system that controlled fuel delivery only(unlike fuel and spark like the '85-up engines), so it had the same distributor as a carbed truck.

TurboTim

Well the intake is the same right? or at least it will bolt up? Does this style flow better or worse or is it the same?
So that distributor did control the fuel injections too then. Im not going to use it but I was just curious. Have you ever taken the insides of a new dizzy apart. What the teeth setup like? I might end up just going the standalone route just cause it is so hard to find Toyotas in the boneyard and a standalone would save me the cost of tracking everything down plus it might save me money in the long run if my setup gets to crazy. I just hate making a map. It takes to much time to get them running like stock. Thanks Kyle for all the help you seem to know all this toyota stuff pretty well.

kyle_22r

that's right, intakes are interchangeable. distributor doesn't control the injectors(computer controls distributor on the '85-up ones though) on any of them to my knowledge, and definitely not on an '83-84(it's the same as a carb, just a different fuel delivery method).

the '89-95 upper manifold is the most sought after version, it's easy to identify as the throttle body mounts inline with it, rather than at a downward angle like the earlier version.

as far as the distributor goes, i haven't really gone too far into them. most of the electronic toyota ones use a reluctor wheel and a magnetic pickup for a signal. for the standalone system, you might take a look at LC engineering, as they sell an SDS computer and harness that's ready to run on one of these. definitely a good investment if you're building something with forced induction -- the stock computer won't handle it well.

TurboTim

I saw the computer from LC engineering but I think for the money I could make a diffrent computer work as good. What I wanted to know is how many teeth do the newer distributors have and its it 2 reluctors or 1. I understand you might not have taken one apart but if you know it could help me.
Oh yeah so I am confused about another thing...what give the computer the RPM signal on the older fuel injection, is there another pickup i coudnt see or is the RPM given from the distributor pickup?