sc87yota

I have 91 runner 22re 5spd. New NGK plugs, kragen wires,dis cap and rotor. K&N drop in.
Its recently making noises I dont like. I have done lots of reading and "think" I narrowed it down to timing chain.
First vid is idle, 2000 rpm then 3000rpm, idle.
Second vid standing away from truck.
Third vid is gnarly amounts of water coming out of tail pipe. WTH. I know that condisation is normal but is this?
I would pull the valve cover to see if guides are damaged or missing, but I broke my arm 3 weeks ago on my YZ and Im still on the road to recovery, AAHHHH Im freaking out not being able to work!! My lil bro is coming down in March to help me(one armed willy) work on it.
never had these noises in my others trucks, granted the 22re is not the quietest engine but --is that ticking the timing chain or ???--
Thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsikOjuzHZE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJasQIa5gUY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XZ5OovJG5E
I hope theese videos load WoW its late

xxxtreme22r

Sounds like timing chain, I am gonna get chef over in this thread, he just did his chain and originally thought a noise was the chain but turned out to be the power steering pump. Since he didn't wind up putting a vid of his sound up I don't know what his sounded like. But to me that sounds like the timing chain.

FleshThorn

I hear the noise, but it could be the power steering idler pulley bearing for all I can tell. Can you use a stethoscope or something and try and pin point the noise ?

sc87yota

YES!, The Chef has a very detailed build thread I never would of thought the ps pump . From what I have read, I agree with you about the chain. Thanks for your $.02!

xxxtreme22r

Easiest/cheapest thing to do it take the valve cover off (yeah I know can be a PITA on a 22re as compared to a 22r) and look at the guides. If they are intact, it can still be a bad tensioner. But at least it will give you an idea.

sc87yota

Thats funny, my wife has to buy a stethoscope for school, I will have to get two now. Im glad you said pulley 'cause with my face burried in the "heat"(no stethocope yet) It kinda does sound like pulley bearing. I did not come across this in any reading so I kinda ruled it out anyways thanks for your input. I will do what I can with one hand until my brother comes down

sc87yota

sc87yota

Do your 22re's spit this much H2O?

xxxtreme22r

mine does when it's cold. but it's a 22r.

ChefYota4x4

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HEYYYYYY! Thanks for giving me the link, Brandon... appreciate it.

Sup, My California neighbor! lol. Ok, so you started a thread... To be honest, I'm on my laptop and it's either not enough speaker'age to really hear what you're talking about.......or you're just crazy.... HAHA, JK. Ok, well, I do hear a lil chatter....that would be more likely to be the chain. BUT, and I mean J'LO BIG, ....lol,.... failing bearings in either of 3 pulley's could give you some warnings of pre-failure. Steering pump, idler pulley.... and well, if you listen to the one video I did make a lil back on my build...it's like the sound I did with my voice. Repetitious clicking, in steady beat.

I will try to get to my PC and listen there, before I report on the video's audio, ok? Don't wanna say much now, cuz to be honest, it just sounds like a normal 22r/re to me. Obviously, since it sounds like you've heard a few, you could most likely tell that something's not right.

Far as the condensation... well, that's not conclusive of anything, either. When I had a fresh build, it was giving me TONS of condensation during warm up, especially when the rings were seating. Just as much as that, even more, and mine IS a 22re, as yours is.

Valve cover? 5 MINUTES, no joke, at this point, for me! hahaha. No, I'm not bragging..... in fact, it's because I've removed it at least 15 times in the last several months due to MACHINISTISM or just maintenance due to break in, adjusting valves, new cam, adjusting valves again, ....timing chain replacement... AGAIN, lol, etc., etc., OY VEY! haha. Even with one arm, you could do that, pretty easy. If you decide to go for it, I'll tell you exactly what to do, where you don't have to disconnect the EGR Modulator...and you can leave the VSV all hooked up w/connector and all..... You really just HAVE to MOVE(not remove) the AC/VSV(and AC connector) and steering idle up hoses(2 larger ones), pull both PCV and Other breather tubes from the valve cover, only, ...then, pull the booster air hose off the Plenum, unbolt the modulator, vsv, lay them over and hold them back with bungie, string, anything, carefully, then start pulling it off..... Only problem you'd have with only one arm, gimpy, hehehe, jk... That problem would be getting the heater hose pried up out of the way so you could pull the back of the valve cover over the Valve Cover nut studs(that heater hose can give a lil resistance, and it's helpful to push up with one hand while pulling it up over the studs).

ALSO, DO THIS CAREFULLY... seriously, you don't want any of those THOUSANDS of things you 'can't see', hanging out on top of the valve cover, falling into your overhead cam or rockers, etc., etc..... DEBRIS IS OUR ENEMY, HOMIE, YA KNOW ME? lol.

Before you do any of this, WAIT FOR OR GET A STETHOSCOPE! It will tell you everything you need to know with a good listen on the cover in various areas. Listen especially where the guides are. Also, listen to the Oil Pump... they have a very strange noise when locking up or kinking as well. The second I put that scope on the steering pump? INSTANTLY knew it was where all my noise was coming from! That tool, SC? ....seriously, it's saved me MAJOR CABBAGE and more importantly?....GUESSING GAMES GALORE! lol.

I'll listen asap on my PC< ok? I actually found a couple videos of "chain chatter", ...and it's more of a 'SLAPPING' OR 'CLACKING', SC...And, if you're getting the warnings of early chain slap on the cover? DEFINITELY want to stop, drop and roll on down to the parts store(or get online for em) after you verify and get a new timing kit from engnbldr.com. 48$! Reason I bring this up, SC? Well, not to freak you out, and I CERTAINLY don't know this.... but if the chain IS, indeed slapping free, no guide left to hold it back on the driver side?....That steam and heavier condensation could be a prelude to the chain fully wearing through the cover and blowing a hole where the water jacket is..... this is not a good thing to happen. So, let's figure it out, conclusively, and go from there, eh?

sc87yota

Chef- WOW, thank you for your input I promise you I would of had that cover off before I even started a thread, normally not such a girl but I did get banged up really good.

You are right about the repetitious clicking, and its constant from idle to 3000rpm. It does not make this noise when I start in the morning when its cold for about 1 or 2 min until its warm then it sounds like crap.
I will be getting stetho. manana and I will let you know what I found playing doctor. Thank you!

FleshThorn

Yep, looks broken.

ChefYota4x4

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HOLY CRAPOLI! ... I actually had a nervous laugh when first seeing that... know what I mean? One of those reactions when seeing something INSANELY WRONG! lol. Dang, man! Really sorry bout that... hope you heal quick!

Ok, so, YES, YOU SHOULD WAIT, especially if it could impede the "projected time of healing", or worse...CAUSE IT TO HEAL IMPROPERLY! Ya know? lol.

Hmm....... I thought most chain slap occurred it's worst during cold start, ...then quieted up a lil. Sometimes, it's hard to hear ANYTHING over that dang fan, ......which can take a lil bit to stop, as you demonstrated in the video when revving the motor. However, ...... if it has actually worn through the cover(TOTALLY speculative until you get a scope on yer, ya know?)...well, that's unique and causes other noises/higher condensation, etc. I sure hope it's not, man. I wish I was closer, I'd be there in a min! Good to know you got help coming. For now, you could get a LONG screw driver, or as I used, a crow bar, and put it all over and hold it to your ear, cupping it.... it is VERY revealing, even as a prehistoric listening tool! lol. Try a long screwdriver on your injectors.... CLEARLY audible! Try that out and let us know, SC, ok? Also, check your oil, FREQUENTLY, until you get this "verified" as to what it is(checking the oil for milkshake, or even MILD discoloration, etc., ya know?)....cuz the HG leak? BIG MILKSHAKE!... But, the wearing through the timing cover? It can be a TINYYYY pin hole for a bit.......wherein, in SOME cases, you could get some water in there that will find it's way, for the most part, out the exhaust, ya know?

PS> Is this a new rebuild, etc? Sorry if I missed that, but it does make a difference.

ChefYota4x4

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PS> I NEVER said, "GET THAT COVER OFF, GIRL!" hahaha. Like I said, ...."it could be a bit troublesome w/just one arm". Again, SO SORRY bout that break! But, as my daddy taught me, ..."Son, when you FLY off walls, over hills, off jumps, over 14' face-lip.......you might break things!" lol.... How'd it happen, SC? Indo?

sc87yota

Chef- I did some listening with my "prehistoric device" and to my one armed abilities I found constant clicking pas. side of oil fill cap on top of valve cover. Also same noise in rear, near valve cover bolt. It is also seemed to be much louder under the truck coming from somewhere above the bell housing. I know the truck is old and Im probably nit picking but I think It sounds like crap. It deffinetly looks like it has been rebuilt recently. Looks like new injectors, new intake gasket, maybe new timming cover to! Its kinda hard to tell because everything is so clean. But I guess the dead give away would be the brand new chrome valve cover nuts. Maybe the valves were not adjusted after break-in of new parts? It gets a terrible 13 mpg in town!
Anyways we are going to Truckee next weekend and I dont want to worry about something happening in the snow with my family. I seriously considering taking it to a mechanic. There is a yota $pecialist in town and Ive heard good things. I wish I could just take the freakin cover of and look inside! Your advice is much appreciated
About the accident. On a two way trail, head on with another rider Ooo dude, it was ALL BAD. It was both my fault and other rider, both going to much to fast. I think he broke a finger. I completely broke my radius and ulna in HALF, the outside bone went through my armTwo surgeries later I have 11 screws and two plates holding my hand on. Just now gaining mobility in my hand. I plan on selling all my bikes and building my runner I think its much safer(I like being a daddy). Although the sound of a 2stroke railing through woops is like angels singing to me.

mightymouse

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Didn't read everything posted but listened to the clips and go ahead and adjust the valves when you take the cover off as the it sounds like your valves are loose. Just did that today to my little 22re and wow what a difference it makes on the engine noise. Look up the procedure it's .008 intake and .012 exhaust. Really easy and can't hurt only help the situation. Just sounds like valve chatter to me. Heal up quick by the way that arm looks gnarly!

sc87yota

That would be great! It does sound like the clicking is the valves after trying Chefs screwdriver trick(worked good!). This is so frustrating! Im will call mechanic tomorrow and see what he says on price. If its more than $80. Im gunna do it myself handicap style Thanks for your input, greatly appreciated

ChefYota4x4

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Haahahah, ....love reading your posts, SC, ...you have a good attitude, ...but what else can we do in Gimp Mode, right? lol.

FINALLY listened on my PC with decent speakers, and yes, as Aaron just noted, ..."sounds like valve chatter"... I really, honestly, don't hear any chain noise. That clicking sounds like you have couple REALLY loose valves(I know what you're describing... when I listen in on mine, I hear NEARLY NOTHING, .....which is good, but not always common with more tired motors).

BTW, AARON, ....good save, lol. I said, 7 and 9 on the valves..... that's with MY CAM, the 261, ...not with factory CAM! Oops, my bad, just in information overload lately! lol. I can hear it doing that clattering in repetition, with a break every second or so... that would be the cam coming around to those loose valves every second and a half or so.

Yeah, you REALLY NEED both hands to be good, to adjust the valves. It's a lil tedious the first couple times(and as you said, you're JUST NOW getting use of that hand again). However, if yer buddy is coming down, .....you DEFINITELY could do this, quickly, with help. Not sure you're going to get a valve adjustment, etc., for 80$, bud... Worth a try, but it's a good 2 hours labor in the "BOOK" they use, I believe.

You COULD, however, at least check the valve lash with feelers, by your gimpy self! Then, if you have a bud coming, he could do it per instructions, ya know?

So sorry man, that sucks you're having to go through the "hurry up and wait" with the rig! Not knowing TRULY how old the motor is, or if it was rebuilt, or if or how you're getting coolant coming out the exhaust.... really hard to do anything but guess until you start doing a "process of elimniation", ya know?

Just a question,..... has it gotten louder in the recent past? That why you're concerned?

mightymouse

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The valve lash is fsm spec but between you and me, i set mine with the motor hot at .007 intake and .011 exhaust. Never had a problem and the motor is quieter that if i left it at factory spec.
Sc, Heal up man that little noisy 22re will run for awhile longer. They got their reputation for a reason and if it was up to me i'd leave it until i was better. Lord knows i left the 22re in my current DD running ragged for some cold months to get me through after my old rig burnt up and i got time to set it up proper with plugs, wires, fluid flush, and the rest. It runs nice now but seriously ran with old plugs, old wires, just crappy everything. You'll be alright man trust me it sucks i know with having 4 broken ribs and a busted shoulder from my quad i know your pain all too well.

xxxtreme22r

you guys got better ears then me. Anyway, is there a possibility that the valve cover is on too tight since it looks like it's been rebuilt or tore apart already? This would make the valves somewhat hit the cover. But I don't see that being loud enough to pick up on a digi cam.