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Old 11-23-2012, 11:50 AM
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I would get the donor vehicle and swap it all. Will just bolt right up. Then part the donor vehicle and you can likely make back most of what you paid for it if not more.
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Chilkat makes motor mount brackets for stuff to bolt in. 2.7(3RZ) or 3.4(5VZ).

You'll be hard pressed to get more than 135 reliable horses out of a 22R, in my opinion. It can be done, but your money spent on building the 22R for that amount of power may exceed a swap.
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Originally Posted by rokblok
You'll be hard pressed to get more than 135 reliable horses out of a 22R, in my opinion. It can be done, but your money spent on building the 22R for that amount of power may exceed a swap.
Couldn't agree more.
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If only my 22R 85 cranked out the power of my 3rz 2.7l...

**Update**

My 85 22R is parked until it is either sold or I spend the $ and time to do the repairs myself. Head gasket #2 failed. Runs very poorly and leak down compression test was done. One cylinder showed a substantial loss of compression. The factory carb and fuel system needs work. Last few years it really was very temperamental running any gas with ethanol in it. Basically uncertain if the bottom end of the engine is in good enough shape to put a new or remanufactured head on it vs. going for an entirely rebuilt 22R engine with a RV cam ready to go plug and play. I was offered $2,000 for it as is but decided to keep it. The condition of the truck is pretty solid

I bought a 2000 Tacoma Standard cab 4x4 3rz 2.7l that has a K&N intake on it and had a remanufactured head put on it. Gets 17-22 mpg empty in mixed driving. Has over 200k on it and IMO runs waaaay stronger than my 22R did new. I would be a happy camper with the power output of this engine on my 85.

In all honesty I see 96-2004 Tacoma's driving around with either the 2.7l 3z or the 3.4l and I’m thinking why cling to the old 85...? So what if I owned the truck since day one, the body on the cab is straight and bed rust is minimal...?....?

I’m open to ideas...?



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Old 11-10-2013, 09:59 AM
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It's all in what you want to do. No one can tell you what to do.

I know the old ones are desirable because of the SFA, shear simplicity, and reliability. I think with that said, that's all anyone can help you with.
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you owned the truck since day one and its a 85 that's reason enough to keep it . if you sell it you will be on here soon saying , how you miss your truck and all that , and how you realize now you shouldn't of sold it , kicking yourself .. every body I have read on forums always comes back and says that.. you see tacoma's running around all day on the roads , how many times a day do you see , 85 extra cab trucks . there getting harder and harder to find in the condition of yours and as a result the prices are going to go higher and higher



Originally Posted by 1985eXtraCab4x4
**Update**

My 85 22R is parked until it is either sold or I spend the $ and time to do the repairs myself. Head gasket #2 failed. Runs very poorly and leak down compression test was done. One cylinder showed a substantial loss of compression. The factory carb and fuel system needs work. Last few years it really was very temperamental running any gas with ethanol in it. Basically uncertain if the bottom end of the engine is in good enough shape to put a new or remanufactured head on it vs. going for an entirely rebuilt 22R engine with a RV cam ready to go plug and play. I was offered $2,000 for it as is but decided to keep it. The condition of the truck is pretty solid

I bought a 2000 Tacoma Standard cab 4x4 3rz 2.7l that has a K&N intake on it and had a remanufactured head put on it. Gets 17-22 mpg empty in mixed driving. Has over 200k on it and IMO runs waaaay stronger than my 22R did new. I would be a happy camper with the power output of this engine on my 85.

In all honesty I see 96-2004 Tacoma's driving around with either the 2.7l 3z or the 3.4l and I’m thinking why cling to the old 85...? So what if I owned the truck since day one, the body on the cab is straight and bed rust is minimal...?....?

I’m open to ideas...?



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If you don't like it, sell it. Someone will gladly take if off your hands. I agree with 85Toy though. For the little money you would get out of it (in the scheme of life), I would rather keep the truck. That's just my opinion.
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Honestly the hardest thing to try to figure out is IF I’d be happy with XYZ engine performance mods. Keeping it 22R seems like the route I will go.

There seems to be SO MUCH back and forth if the factory carb is better vs the aftermarket ones. At this point I’m not open to all the foot work of switching over to fuel injection and making it a 22RE. Once March hits I’m basically married to my lawn business and have little time to chase details down. I’m not the one who did the compression leak down test. The mechanic who sold me the 2000 Taco did it. The engine has 165k miles on the bottom end much of that is in town miles. Considering all the work of pulling the current head off myself and then finding a machine shop to rebuild the head alone I’m thinking of just going for a rebuilt engine entirely. I hate the idea of quitting on the original engine bottom end but it doesn’t seem to make much sense unless I’m missing something.

As for mods to bump up HP and torque up to a point where I’d be happy with it.....the Camden Super Charger seems promising from what I have read. It would be great to be able to test drive one with it already installed. Top end peak power is not a big deal to me but low to mid range power is.

Like I said I’m really content with the drivability of my 2.7l with K&N intake on the 2000 Taco.
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My '84 22R recently completed a round trip of about 900 miles. Averaged 70-75 MPH on the interstate, getting 19 MPG on average.

163,000 miles on it with a recent timing belt replacement and other basic tuneups (cap & rotor, spark plugs, etc..).

Plenty of juice up the hills, drop into 3rd for passing. Had about 300 pounds in the bed for half the trip.

22R in my opinion, is plenty capable for most needs if it's running right.
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I know the 22r's can be decent if you use forced induction, but you are talking quite a bit of money and likely a LOT of tinkering. You could easily put in a better motor for that (better as in more powerful). I had a decently built 22r motor and still hated the power. Granted, I am running 37's. I was appropriately geared though. For me, the motor was ruining the truck experience. I am currently swapping in a 1UZ right now. I use my truck for everything though. Driving between places, hauling loads in the back etc... While it is not a DD, I want it reliable and desirable to drive. If is all you do is crawl around in it then the 22r is plenty sufficient with dual cases. I had issues with it even in low gear in a single case when crawling around in the woods.
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Originally Posted by celica22rte
I am selling a 22r stroker kit from LC engineering, it has JE turbo pistons in it, do you know anyone that might be interested?
Not the place for this. Stop clogging up threads trying to sell stuff. Put it in the for sale section or gtfo.
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Originally Posted by rattlewagon
Not the place for this. Stop clogging up threads trying to sell stuff. Put it in the for sale section or gtfo.
thanks rattle wagon.

anyhow

I'm actually taking out my 22r, and installing a 1jz. I'm wondering why there are not to many people running 1jz or 7mgte's? is it because they are to heavy?
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Originally Posted by 1985eXtraCab4x4
**Update**

My 85 22R is parked until it is either sold or I spend the $ and time to do the repairs myself. Head gasket #2 failed. Runs very poorly and leak down compression test was done. One cylinder showed a substantial loss of compression. The factory carb and fuel system needs work. Last few years it really was very temperamental running any gas with ethanol in it. Basically uncertain if the bottom end of the engine is in good enough shape to put a new or remanufactured head on it vs. going for an entirely rebuilt 22R engine with a RV cam ready to go plug and play. I was offered $2,000 for it as is but decided to keep it. The condition of the truck is pretty solid

I bought a 2000 Tacoma Standard cab 4x4 3rz 2.7l that has a K&N intake on it and had a remanufactured head put on it. Gets 17-22 mpg empty in mixed driving. Has over 200k on it and IMO runs waaaay stronger than my 22R did new. I would be a happy camper with the power output of this engine on my 85.

In all honesty I see 96-2004 Tacoma's driving around with either the 2.7l 3z or the 3.4l and I’m thinking why cling to the old 85...? So what if I owned the truck since day one, the body on the cab is straight and bed rust is minimal...?....?

I’m open to ideas...?




Keep it! Look around and find another 22r and swap it in.
Use the weber, throw in a cam, e-fan, and header and desmog.
Gear it to your tire size and call it good.
It will run great and be fine on power. use your other trucks for towing and DDing.


If you still want power and do not want to swap in a modern engine. Look in to adding a turbo. Use a 22ret manafold , a smallish turbo, run a drain line and a oil feed, some intake plumbing. And you have good power. Keep the boost down below 10 psi.

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I'm thinking of pulling out my 22rte, and installing a 7mgte, so much easier to make power!
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I implore you to keep it! Rebuild the 22r with some goodies inside, maybe find the EFI stuff... it's easier than you would think to find everything for that, and you can always add EFI after a rebuild. Patch the little rust spots, undercoat everything for longevity, and when your ORIGINAL 22r truck is driving around 25 years in the future, it'll be a true 1 owner classic! Probably the last one in the country, hell even the world at that point! ha. I'm getting sentimental and it's not even mine...
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