Suspension Lift FAQ

**waskillywabbit** · 11-09-2004, 06:28 AM

Feel free to add to this FAQ, but please do not post questions in this thread. Start a new thread for that.

Just a thought...seems like there is a huge amount of suspension lift/body lift information here on YT and other places, but it can be overwhelming to find the good threads w/o having to read through mounds of useless drivel.

Post up your good information/links please so we can have one place to send folks w/ questions instead of having 4.2 zillion newbie threads on "Tell me what lift I need"

If you post a link, please put a title somewhere as to what the link relates to, i.e. body lift, suspension lift and the generation of the vehicle.

3rd gen lift information
Steve Schaefer's 3rd gen 4Runner

1st gen lift information
All-Pro Offroad
Marlin Crawler
SKY-Manufacturing

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4Hummer · 11-09-2004, 06:34 AM

BODY LIFT

ROGER BROWN AKA 4Crawler

www.4crawler.com

NUFF Said about that

SLC Punk · 11-09-2004, 06:41 AM

I thought Corey or someone was going to make a page for the lifts...

That was a year or so ago...

Anyways:

Performance Products 1" springs. Progressive rate, lifts it 1.5-1.75", does not sag when I pull my 3,400 lb boat. Handles a lot better.

bamachem · 11-09-2004, 07:29 AM

Best 3rd Gen ('96-'02) suspension lift for great flex and smooth street ride using 265/75-16 tires on 16x7 wheels. Do this suspension lift with a 1" Body Lift to run 285/75-16 tires on 16x8 wheels and you won't be disappointed.

http://sonoransteel.com

Pretacopower · 11-09-2004, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bamachem

Best 3rd Gen ('96-'02) suspension lift for great flex and smooth street ride using 265/75-16 tires on 16x7 wheels. Do this suspension lift with a 1" Body Lift to run 285/75-16 tires on 16x8 wheels and you won't be disappointed.

Front: (2.25-2.5")
Tundra TRD Coils up front (used or new, 2WD or 4WD - doesn't matter)
Old Man Emu N91S Firm Struts from wheeler's offroad
Extended Studs and a Pair of Top Out Spacers(from me- cheapest place to get them)

Rear: (2.5")
Old Man Emu 891 Coils (or Downey 3.5" (2.5" lift) coils for smoother ride)
Old Man Emu N86 Firm Shocks (You can get OME stuff from Wheeler's or you might get the 891's used.)
Toyota Conical Bumpstops

Cost:
Tundra Coils $100
N91S Firm Struts $212
Studs/Spacers $47
891 Coils $135
N86 Firm Shocks $149

Total: $643 + shipping

Here's the post that explains it all...

This lift would work for Taco's too, right? (just want to be sure)

bamachem · 11-09-2004, 12:07 PM

On the front it will, but you'll get about 2.0" without the top spacer. On the rear, you have leaf springs, so you'll need an AAL or something else.

***Corey*** · 11-09-2004, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLC Punk

I thought Corey or someone was going to make a page for the lifts...

That was a year or so ago...

Very old page I made a few years back.
http://www.yotatech.com/~corey/artic...suspension.htm

It is listed on the Portal page listed in the Community section.

4x4taco · 11-10-2004, 11:17 AM

Awesome, reasonably priced lift for '00 Taco's:
I have the v6, extended cab, and a TJM, and use the firm OME parts, if you have a lighter set-up, go with the softer components for a better ride

FIRM:
OME 882 coils
OME N91S front shocks
OME 2.25" Leaf springs
OME N85 rear shocks

MEDIUM:
OME 881 coils
OME N91SC front shocks
same leaf springs
OME N94 rear shocks

SOFT:
OME 880 coils
other components same as medium

I'm running 33x10.5s on the stock 15x7 wheels with almost no rub. The only rub occurred on the front of the rear fenderwells under full flex because the OME leafs move the rear axle foreward 1/2" to reduce axle wrap. This was fixed with some minor trimming.

With the sway bar disconnected, this set-up flexes very well for IFS! So far I've wheeled it in Moab and all over Colorado and it's held up great and retains a very good, stable road ride even at high speeds.

I got my lift on special from FJ60.com for $850 which was for an almost complete kit. Wheelers Offroad sells a complete kit with all bushings for just over a grand.

Adam F · 11-10-2004, 02:51 PM

I have some info on my website on how I lifted my 96 and 88 4Runners

www.toyotaoffroad.net/afertig

Jboy · 11-11-2004, 12:36 AM

Just wanted to ad these are awesome springs, provideds a mild 2" lift and the ride is superb. Sure beats those NWOR springs I had. Have yet to test them off-road.

FirstToy · 11-11-2004, 01:09 AM

2003-2005 4Runner (4th gen) & 2005 Tacoma
suspension lift
Spacers (if you have XREAS and want to keep it, spacers are what you want):
Daystar 2.5"
Revtek 3"
available at wheelersoffroad.com (good service and prices too)

Coilovers (not XREAS compatible):
Donohoe Racing
SAWs

Maximum tire size without any trimming of body, fenderliner or removal of plastic:
265-70/17

00Runner · 11-11-2004, 10:44 AM

1996 - 2002 4Runner (3rd Gen) V6 4x4

Front:
Revtek 3" lift spacers
2.5" of lift (w/ 99 or 00 stock springs)
Stock shocks

Rear:
Downey 3.5" coils
2.5" of lift (w/ stock tow package)
OME N86 shocks

Stump1883 · 11-11-2004, 07:55 PM

97' 4Runner(3rd gen) LTD 4x4

Front:
SAW(Sway Away) Race Runner Coilovers
- Adjustable from 0-2.5" of lift
- Easy to level out front to back with adjustability
- Easy to level ride height when adding weight with a new bumper or winch
- Quick and easy install
Rear:
Downey 3.5" lift coils
Bilstein HD Rear Shocks

Set up rides smooth and as mentioned above, eay to level out with the SAWs, quick adjustment. Smooth ride and almost no fade from front or rear, the new batch of SAWs are a bit more stiff than before but nothing like running a spacer only lift. My old spacer lift was stiff as anything, it's like night and day with the coilovers.

I can testify to bamachem set-up, very economical compared to the SAWs, and they give an amazing ride(tested by justinh and myself on some fast rough night rides through Tellico OHV). I'm actually thinking of switching to this set-up myself, smooth ride in the rough stuff and a good solid net lift(true 2.25-2.5").

calrockx · 11-11-2004, 08:39 PM

2002 4Runner 4wd

FRONT:

- Donahoe Racing Coilovers [more info]

REAR:

- Downey Coils [more info]
- Bilstein Shocks [more info]

The rear setup has been the same ever since I lifted the Runner, but originally I had stock A-Arms, springs and shocks, and only had a Cornfed 2.5 inch spacer. I upgraded to Donahoes for better resposnsiveness, lift adjustability, better off-road performance. The Donahoe's are awesome, and let me tall ya, they take the woop-de-doos a hell of a lot better than the stock setup.

I'm planning on upgrading the rear suspension to OME shocks one of these days. They'll give me better articulation than the Bilsteins. I may keep the Downey coils, I may go to OME, not sure yet.

The ride is good...to me. I'm not looking for a Cadillac expereince. It's still "rides like a truck", but I find the stiffer suspension more comfortable and responsive than stock, and wouldn't go back. My current setup gives me around 2.5" lift.

Nathan Buchanan · 11-16-2004, 08:24 PM

For second gen runners, check out http://www.sdori.com/ for some ball joint spacers. That will give you 1.5" of front lift. They run a little over a hundred bucks. For the rear, I think you can get some coils from a land cruiser; I'm not sure exactly which ones or anything, I'm a pickup man.

doink · 11-16-2004, 09:28 PM

rear second gen suspension options:

http://www.allprooffroad.com/suspens...ilsprings.html

snwbrdpunk16 · 11-16-2004, 09:37 PM

My setup for my 3rd Gen.

Front:
OME 881's
Daystar 1.5 inch spacer
1 inch diff drop
Rancho RS5000 shocks

Rear:
99 Rear coils
2.5 inch revtek spacer
Rancho RS5000 shocks

Rides just like stock. The rear setup isnt the best, i plan on getting OME HD coils in the near future. The lift comes out to be a 3 inch total.

Heres a picture of what the setup looks like on my 4Runner.

bamachem · 11-18-2004, 08:05 AM

I just came across this in an old thread, and it's very informative concerning OME springs...

Here's what ARB-USA had to say:

If you want 2" of lift, than OME isn't your brand. Our lift is only gives you approximately 1.25" of lift in the front and 2.5" in the rear. And if your wondering you can't use coil spacers with our system...

The reason we say no spacers, is that our springs weren't engineered for more than one 5mm trim packer (spacer)per side of the vehicle and we only recommend these if the vehicle is leaning to one side which is common on a lot of new vehicles with stock suspension. It is very rare for our springs to sag below there specification. In most cases when you install our springs
it will sit a bit higher than our advertised lift. After the driver takes
the vehicle out wheeling for the first time and flexes the suspension a great deal, the springs will settle. We experience a lot of people calling us complaining of there vehicle sagging when really the springs have just broken themselves in and are where they're supposed to be. For the front springs, the only difference is that the heavy duty springs (OME881) are a few millimeters taller to compensate for the added weight. Both the heavy
duty and light duty springs have the same spring rate...

Here is your requested information on our shocks:
N86/N86C 539mm (extended) 329mm (compressed)
N91S 470mm (extended) 335mm (compressed)
N91SC 470mm (extended) 335mm (compressed)

Thank you for you interest in our products and have a good day.

Best Regards,
Steven Bisig
ARB Tech Dept
ARB-USA
sbisig@arbusa.com

So, the OME front coils are designed for 1.25" of lift, and the rear ones are designed for 2.5". Trying for that dragster look??? Why the hell do they sell them for 4runners then? Makes you wonder. If you're heavier, then you should go up a step or two on the coil numbers to keep the ride hieght the same. They DON'T recommend using a 881 or 882 on a stock truck to get 2+" of lift because the ride will be harsh. That was posted by ravencr in 2003, but went mostly UNNOTICED by anyone here until now...

In other words, ARB/OME DOES NOT RECOMMEND their coils for a 2" lift in the front. You can do it, but it will be a firm ride, reduced compressibility, and in the long run, your off-road capabilities may be comprimised - their words, not mine.

That means you're other choices are cornfed, revtek, or daystar spacers, or Toyota Tundra Coils - unless of course you're in southern Cal and you run the desert, then you should consider SAWS or KINGs or Donahoes. As far as quality goes, I think we can all agree that the Toyota Tundra coils is the best way to go since they don't involve inside the pack spacers that will stiffen the ride. Next after that would be the cornfed spacers, simply because you can choose a height that will maximize the sesign of the suspension without compromising droop. After that, I'd list Revtek and Daystar as a tie for the bottom of the barrel. Both are cheaply made and neither offer the optimal 2" of lift that will maximize off-road flex while maintaining on-road comfort. Save the desert running stuff for just that - the desert. Anywhere else and it's out of place and isn't best suited for the application.

Flygtenstein · 11-18-2004, 04:16 PM

I have on my 95:

Front:
-SDORS BJ spacers
-25 Sway-Away Torsion bars
-Low profile bumpstops
-No swaybar

Rear:
-Land Cruiser coils
-Downey Panhard drop
-Lengthened Panhard Rod
-Custom Links
-Downey Bumpstop spacers

Other:
-4Crawler 1" Bodylift

rngrchad · 11-19-2004, 06:31 AM

Last night I added coil spacers from Tuff Country and to my suprise the setup time wasn't bad at all. My after installation alignment was perfect! I must give a big shout out to YotaTech for the various articles and information involving these types of setups. Schaefer's online write-up and pictures are what motivated me to do this. Thanks guys! My Tacoma is now ready for some 32's or 33 after gearing and some fender trimming

I've got pictures of the install on AAL and coil spacers..if anyone is interested let me know and I'll get them scanned and uploaded.

***Strap22*** · 05-25-2005, 07:16 PM

This setup results in approximately 3" of lift in the front and approximately 2.75" in the rear, sufficient to run tires up to 33”. Since all tires are not created equal, be prepared for the possibility of minor rubbing (Upper control arms, wheel well, front bumper and frame are typical areas to watch) with larger tires. An ARB Bumper (also available through us) will free up any rubbing issues encountered with the stock front bumper, but using a heavier spring up front is recommended if mounting a heavy-duty front bumper. A diff drop is not necessary, as the Gen 4 CV angles are lower from the factory than the Gen 3 were.

The Prado (GX) has different weight distribution from its body configuration, spare high on the rear door, and an extra gas tank in the back. What all this means is that you will increase your weight carrying capacity. The stock suspension sags up to 2” with a full load. With that in mind, expect the rear to feel “firmer” than stock without cargo.

In addition to the differences mentioned above, users report experiencing better dampening on bumpy roads, better off-road handling and outstanding flex- a trademark of OME Suspensions.

Installation tips: Removal of the XREAS suspension is required if equipped (If you figure that the XREAS is over $1,500 to replace, and you can sell the system on EBay, the OME suspension can probably be easily paid for by the sale of an operable XREAS system.). You should follow the FSM for the install you can re-use or re-sell the system should you wish. The system is not bleedable. We will be happy to send an electronic copy of the applicable FSM sections for you. The important points are to work from front to rear with the entire vehicle securely supported by jackstands and all 4 wheels off the ground. Removal is safe & simple.

If you prefer this to be a complete bolt-in swap, we can preassemble your coilovers with brand new Toyota top plates, bushings & nuts for only $150 more. Considering that most places charge $20 per to swap, you save time and retain a complete coilover assembly, making resale of your used parts easier! You must be willing to accept the possibility of the minor cosmetic scuffs/scrapes that may happen from strut/coil compression, and the units will be non-returnable.

Please, if you have any questions contact:info@trdparts4u.com for a prompt reply. Due to our volume we may not be able to reply to posts in a timely manner.

To order we will need to know which engine you have and whether or not you plan to use a heavy duty bumper and/or winch.

Thank you for your continued support!

*This lift is being offered based on research by users and innovators. Neither us nor ARB USA makes any recommendations or warranty on the applicability of Prado components on 4th Generation 4Runners.
**shipping rate for CONUS only.

***Strap22*** · 05-25-2005, 07:19 PM

New Complete 2nd Gen. Lift Kit

We have had several request for a complete 2nd Generation 4Runner Lift Kit.We put together what we feel is a solid set-up that gives
you three options.

Option (1)

3"-4" Lift (approx.)

Sdori 1.5" Ball Joint Spacers (1pair)
Sdori 2" Coil Spacers (pair)
OME N98 Front Shocks (each)
OME N72F Rear Shocks (each)
OME 901HD Coil Springs (each)
OME SD33 Steering Stabilizer
Total $614.04

Option (2)

1.5"-2" Lift (approx.)

Sdori 1.5" Ball Joint Spacers (1pair)
OME 901HD Coil Springs (each)
OME N98 Front Shocks (each)
OME N72F Rear Shocks (each)
Total $476.32

Option (3)

1.5"-2" Lift (approx.)

Sdori 1.5" Ball Joint Spacers (1pair)
Sdori 2" Coil Spacers (pair)
OME N98 Front Shocks (each)
OME N72FRear Shocks (each)
Total $437.40

Freight additional...Email your zip to info@trdparts4u.com for quote.

These prices for the kits are for your convenience. All above items are available individually.
Inquire at: info@trdparts4u.com

i_love_tacos · 05-26-2005, 02:23 AM

this is what i have:

Front:
performance products 1'' lift springs
daystar 2'' spacer

rear:
tuff country 2'' add-a-leafs

thats all i have on and its does really well on and off-road. makes good clearance for 32x12.5 tires with a little trimming. 33's could probably work too. i have flexed the AAL's, gone airborne a bit and they have not lost its lift. the 3 inch ones i had on before broke. they give a good lift, but they straighten out a bit and could break. the front performance products springs are nice. way better than stock springs. they have not lost its lift either. the only thing you dont want to do is use them with the revtek or tuff country spacers. makes a very stiff ride and bounces a lot. spacers that go on the very top of the strut are much better. hope this helps out someone.

934rnr · 06-14-2005, 06:46 AM

1982 1st Gen Pickup
4" procomp suspension lift consisits of 4" lift springs on front and block lift in rear
now sagging to little over 3" now.
1" RB body-lift
front axle widened using IFS hubs axle now 58"
rear axle widened with 1.25" wheel spacers now 58"
35x12.50 BFG MT KM tires on 15x8 3.5" backspaced wheels.

Front tires do rub under full compression even with 1" body-lift

Currently running rancho 5012's on the back like this / \.

I don't recommend the Procomp suspension lift it came with my truck but I wouldn't buy it personally.

The plan for my suspension is going to 63" chevy springs on back and rear springs on the front.
Info on 63" Chevy springs:
63" Chevy springs FAQ
I will be using Bud Built chevy spring hangers and a custom built rear shackle out of 3/8" 2" wide flatbar it will likely be about 7-8" long.

Here's a little info on the rear springs on front subject
Rear springs on front FAQ
A side not on rear springs on front you basically have to build your own pack and experiment to get the right combo you want.
I will be using a combo of leaf springs from a 85 2wd rear pack and my old 83 rear spring pack.
This will also address rubbing issues with the front wheel well since it moves the axle forward at least 1-1.5"
Also you cannot use the stock push pull steering with these either.
You must goto a hysteer setup.

Then I am adding the Ford F350 shock mounts and rancho 5012's to front as well.

Prices:

4" Procomp suspension lift - $513.99

Planned suspension going on:
Bud Built chevy spring hangers - $55
4ea Rancho 5000 5012 shocks - $160
RB 1" Body-Lift - $90
Junkyard not rusty good condition 2000 63 Chevy leaf springs - $120
U-bolt Flip kit for rear - $55
Budbuilt 8" shackles $40

Ford F-350 shock towers - $30
used 85 2wd leaf packs $40
Rear stock leaf pack - free
Budbuilt Banana Shackles for front springs $50

Sky-Manufacturing Hysteer - $413
IFS steering box - Got for free

Other stuff

4 ea 35x12.50 BFG MT KM tires $760
4 ea 15x8 Rock Crawler series 51 3.5" backspaced rims - $200
2 ea 1.25" wheel spacers - $110

Probably about $200-$300 in welding required for the spring hangers and shock mounts and mounting IFS box.

Links:

Sky Manufacturing Hysteer from Roadlessgear.com
Sky Manifacturing.com
Bud Built
Rancho shocks
Procomp Suspension Lifts
Roger Brown Body Lifts
BF Goodrich Tires

sschaefer3 · 06-14-2005, 07:39 AM

1999 4Runner

Front:
Alcan Leaf Springs
Currie Shackles
Dynatrac U-Bolt Flip Kit
10" Travel Bilstein 5150

Rear:
Alcan Leaf Springs
Old Man Emu Shackles
Man-A-Fre U-Bolt flip Kit
10" Travel Bilstein 5150

*Involved minor cutting & welding

11-09-2004, 06:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
4Hummer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,975	BODY LIFT ROGER BROWN AKA 4Crawler www.4crawler.com NUFF Said about that __________________ Michael 1991 4Runner 22RE. CHOP www.obsessiveoffroadclub.com

11-09-2004, 06:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
SLC Punk Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 5,875	I thought Corey or someone was going to make a page for the lifts... That was a year or so ago... Anyways: Performance Products 1" springs. Progressive rate, lifts it 1.5-1.75", does not sag when I pull my 3,400 lb boat. Handles a lot better. __________________ -Travis 1997 4Runner SR5 V6 4X4 Supercharged Desert Dune SOLD :( 1992 Celica All Trac (AWD-Turbo) #223 of 271 US spec for 1992 FOR SALE 2005 Tundra Double Cab Limited 4X4 2.5" lift 265/70R17 Dueler Revo's 4Runner and Celica Webpage

11-09-2004, 07:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
bamachem Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 0	Best 3rd Gen ('96-'02) suspension lift for great flex and smooth street ride using 265/75-16 tires on 16x7 wheels. Do this suspension lift with a 1" Body Lift to run 285/75-16 tires on 16x8 wheels and you won't be disappointed. http://sonoransteel.com Last edited by bamachem; 02-16-2007 at 06:29 AM.

11-10-2004, 11:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
4x4taco Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 191	Awesome, reasonably priced lift for '00 Taco's: I have the v6, extended cab, and a TJM, and use the firm OME parts, if you have a lighter set-up, go with the softer components for a better ride FIRM: OME 882 coils OME N91S front shocks OME 2.25" Leaf springs OME N85 rear shocks MEDIUM: OME 881 coils OME N91SC front shocks same leaf springs OME N94 rear shocks SOFT: OME 880 coils other components same as medium I'm running 33x10.5s on the stock 15x7 wheels with almost no rub. The only rub occurred on the front of the rear fenderwells under full flex because the OME leafs move the rear axle foreward 1/2" to reduce axle wrap. This was fixed with some minor trimming. With the sway bar disconnected, this set-up flexes very well for IFS! So far I've wheeled it in Moab and all over Colorado and it's held up great and retains a very good, stable road ride even at high speeds. I got my lift on special from FJ60.com for $850 which was for an almost complete kit. Wheelers Offroad sells a complete kit with all bushings for just over a grand. __________________ '00 Tacoma TRD TJM T-15 / OME 882 & 1" BL / "custom" intake / 33x10.5 BFG A/Ts on Teflon Chambers / Demello sliders Last edited by 4x4taco; 11-10-2004 at 11:21 AM.

11-10-2004, 02:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Adam F Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 2,397	I have some info on my website on how I lifted my 96 and 88 4Runners www.toyotaoffroad.net/afertig __________________ 88 4Runner. 350 V8, R150 5-speed. SAS, 36" TSL's, elocker rear

11-09-2004, 12:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
bamachem Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 0	On the front it will, but you'll get about 2.0" without the top spacer. On the rear, you have leaf springs, so you'll need an AAL or something else.

11-11-2004, 12:36 AM	#10 (permalink)
Jboy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hawaiian Islands Posts: 392	OME 906 rear springs Just wanted to ad these are awesome springs, provideds a mild 2" lift and the ride is superb. Sure beats those NWOR springs I had. Have yet to test them off-road. __________________ 2000 4Runner 2" lift, not Frankenstruts, OME 906 rear springs/OME shocks MT/R 285/75R16 on AR Atlas 16x8 Offroad Solutions Manual Hubs kit

11-11-2004, 10:44 AM	#12 (permalink)
00Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Menlo Park, CA Posts: 722	1996 - 2002 4Runner (3rd Gen) V6 4x4 Front: Revtek 3" lift spacers 2.5" of lift (w/ 99 or 00 stock springs) Stock shocks Rear: Downey 3.5" coils 2.5" of lift (w/ stock tow package) OME N86 shocks __________________ - Brad 2000 4Runner SR5 4x4 5spd 3" Revtek spacer, ARB RD-90 front \| 3.5" Downey coils, E-locker rear \| 285/75 16 BFG M/T \| TJM T-17 \| RB Sliderz \| 1.5" RB BL \| BudBuilt skid \| 4.30s \| SS Rear Bumper onetruth

11-11-2004, 07:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Stump1883 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: High Point NC Posts: 2,150	97' 4Runner(3rd gen) LTD 4x4 Front: SAW(Sway Away) Race Runner Coilovers - Adjustable from 0-2.5" of lift - Easy to level out front to back with adjustability - Easy to level ride height when adding weight with a new bumper or winch - Quick and easy install Rear: Downey 3.5" lift coils Bilstein HD Rear Shocks Set up rides smooth and as mentioned above, eay to level out with the SAWs, quick adjustment. Smooth ride and almost no fade from front or rear, the new batch of SAWs are a bit more stiff than before but nothing like running a spacer only lift. My old spacer lift was stiff as anything, it's like night and day with the coilovers. I can testify to bamachem set-up, very economical compared to the SAWs, and they give an amazing ride(tested by justinh and myself on some fast rough night rides through Tellico OHV). I'm actually thinking of switching to this set-up myself, smooth ride in the rough stuff and a good solid net lift(true 2.25-2.5"). __________________ 97' 4Runner LTD -With a few toys Last edited by Stump1883; 11-11-2004 at 07:59 PM.

11-11-2004, 08:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
calrockx Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Santa Clarita, California Posts: 4,742	2002 4Runner 4wd FRONT: - Donahoe Racing Coilovers [more info] REAR: - Downey Coils [more info] - Bilstein Shocks [more info] The rear setup has been the same ever since I lifted the Runner, but originally I had stock A-Arms, springs and shocks, and only had a Cornfed 2.5 inch spacer. I upgraded to Donahoes for better resposnsiveness, lift adjustability, better off-road performance. The Donahoe's are awesome, and let me tall ya, they take the woop-de-doos a hell of a lot better than the stock setup. I'm planning on upgrading the rear suspension to OME shocks one of these days. They'll give me better articulation than the Bilsteins. I may keep the Downey coils, I may go to OME, not sure yet. The ride is good...to me. I'm not looking for a Cadillac expereince. It's still "rides like a truck", but I find the stiffer suspension more comfortable and responsive than stock, and wouldn't go back. My current setup gives me around 2.5" lift. __________________ [2002 4Runner 4WD] Last edited by calrockx; 11-11-2004 at 08:41 PM.

11-16-2004, 08:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
Nathan Buchanan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 215	For second gen runners, check out http://www.sdori.com/ for some ball joint spacers. That will give you 1.5" of front lift. They run a little over a hundred bucks. For the rear, I think you can get some coils from a land cruiser; I'm not sure exactly which ones or anything, I'm a pickup man. __________________ Nathan Buchanan 1993 Toyota Pickup

11-16-2004, 09:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
doink Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atl. Georgia Posts: 3,078	rear second gen suspension options: http://www.allprooffroad.com/suspens...ilsprings.html __________________ -m. buy my bands record on iTunes LISTEN TO MY BAND PLEASE

11-16-2004, 09:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
snwbrdpunk16 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Everett, Wa Posts: 354	My setup for my 3rd Gen. Front: OME 881's Daystar 1.5 inch spacer 1 inch diff drop Rancho RS5000 shocks Rear: 99 Rear coils 2.5 inch revtek spacer Rancho RS5000 shocks Rides just like stock. The rear setup isnt the best, i plan on getting OME HD coils in the near future. The lift comes out to be a 3 inch total. Heres a picture of what the setup looks like on my 4Runner. Last edited by snwbrdpunk16; 11-16-2004 at 09:38 PM.

11-18-2004, 08:05 AM	#18 (permalink)
bamachem Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 0	I just came across this in an old thread, and it's very informative concerning OME springs... Here's what ARB-USA had to say: If you want 2" of lift, than OME isn't your brand. Our lift is only gives you approximately 1.25" of lift in the front and 2.5" in the rear. And if your wondering you can't use coil spacers with our system... The reason we say no spacers, is that our springs weren't engineered for more than one 5mm trim packer (spacer)per side of the vehicle and we only recommend these if the vehicle is leaning to one side which is common on a lot of new vehicles with stock suspension. It is very rare for our springs to sag below there specification. In most cases when you install our springs it will sit a bit higher than our advertised lift. After the driver takes the vehicle out wheeling for the first time and flexes the suspension a great deal, the springs will settle. We experience a lot of people calling us complaining of there vehicle sagging when really the springs have just broken themselves in and are where they're supposed to be. For the front springs, the only difference is that the heavy duty springs (OME881) are a few millimeters taller to compensate for the added weight. Both the heavy duty and light duty springs have the same spring rate... Here is your requested information on our shocks: N86/N86C 539mm (extended) 329mm (compressed) N91S 470mm (extended) 335mm (compressed) N91SC 470mm (extended) 335mm (compressed) Thank you for you interest in our products and have a good day. Best Regards, Steven Bisig ARB Tech Dept ARB-USA sbisig@arbusa.com So, the OME front coils are designed for 1.25" of lift, and the rear ones are designed for 2.5". Trying for that dragster look??? Why the hell do they sell them for 4runners then? Makes you wonder. If you're heavier, then you should go up a step or two on the coil numbers to keep the ride hieght the same. They DON'T recommend using a 881 or 882 on a stock truck to get 2+" of lift because the ride will be harsh. That was posted by ravencr in 2003, but went mostly UNNOTICED by anyone here until now... In other words, ARB/OME DOES NOT RECOMMEND their coils for a 2" lift in the front. You can do it, but it will be a firm ride, reduced compressibility, and in the long run, your off-road capabilities may be comprimised - their words, not mine. That means you're other choices are cornfed, revtek, or daystar spacers, or Toyota Tundra Coils - unless of course you're in southern Cal and you run the desert, then you should consider SAWS or KINGs or Donahoes. As far as quality goes, I think we can all agree that the Toyota Tundra coils is the best way to go since they don't involve inside the pack spacers that will stiffen the ride. Next after that would be the cornfed spacers, simply because you can choose a height that will maximize the sesign of the suspension without compromising droop. After that, I'd list Revtek and Daystar as a tie for the bottom of the barrel. Both are cheaply made and neither offer the optimal 2" of lift that will maximize off-road flex while maintaining on-road comfort. Save the desert running stuff for just that - the desert. Anywhere else and it's out of place and isn't best suited for the application. Last edited by bamachem; 11-18-2004 at 08:07 AM.

11-18-2004, 04:16 PM	#19 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,246	I have on my 95: Front: -SDORS BJ spacers -25 Sway-Away Torsion bars -Low profile bumpstops -No swaybar Rear: -Land Cruiser coils -Downey Panhard drop -Lengthened Panhard Rod -Custom Links -Downey Bumpstop spacers Other: -4Crawler 1" Bodylift Last edited by Robinhood150; 05-24-2005 at 09:50 PM.

11-19-2004, 06:31 AM	#20 (permalink)
rngrchad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Currently reside in Ohio Posts: 858	coil spacers added Last night I added coil spacers from Tuff Country and to my suprise the setup time wasn't bad at all. My after installation alignment was perfect! I must give a big shout out to YotaTech for the various articles and information involving these types of setups. Schaefer's online write-up and pictures are what motivated me to do this. Thanks guys! My Tacoma is now ready for some 32's or 33 after gearing and some fender trimming I've got pictures of the install on AAL and coil spacers..if anyone is interested let me know and I'll get them scanned and uploaded. __________________ 2008 Tacoma TRD Access Cab v-6. 97 regular cab tacoma 33x9.5bfg at, 4.10 gears, custom sliders, custom rear bumper, 4xinnovation tube doors, lockright. 1983 SA Axle Frameoff Restore. CB: Connex 3300hp Radio driving a FatBoy Amp doing around 1000watts on AM. Antenna: Monkey Made MM5 -=NO BAMA 08 =- Last edited by Robinhood150; 05-24-2005 at 09:51 PM.

05-25-2005, 07:16 PM	#21 (permalink)
*Strap22* Sponsoring Vendor Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 1,328	4th generation $699.00 This setup results in approximately 3" of lift in the front and approximately 2.75" in the rear, sufficient to run tires up to 33”. Since all tires are not created equal, be prepared for the possibility of minor rubbing (Upper control arms, wheel well, front bumper and frame are typical areas to watch) with larger tires. An ARB Bumper (also available through us) will free up any rubbing issues encountered with the stock front bumper, but using a heavier spring up front is recommended if mounting a heavy-duty front bumper. A diff drop is not necessary, as the Gen 4 CV angles are lower from the factory than the Gen 3 were. The Prado (GX) has different weight distribution from its body configuration, spare high on the rear door, and an extra gas tank in the back. What all this means is that you will increase your weight carrying capacity. The stock suspension sags up to 2” with a full load. With that in mind, expect the rear to feel “firmer” than stock without cargo. In addition to the differences mentioned above, users report experiencing better dampening on bumpy roads, better off-road handling and outstanding flex- a trademark of OME Suspensions. Installation tips: Removal of the XREAS suspension is required if equipped (If you figure that the XREAS is over $1,500 to replace, and you can sell the system on EBay, the OME suspension can probably be easily paid for by the sale of an operable XREAS system.). You should follow the FSM for the install you can re-use or re-sell the system should you wish. The system is not bleedable. We will be happy to send an electronic copy of the applicable FSM sections for you. The important points are to work from front to rear with the entire vehicle securely supported by jackstands and all 4 wheels off the ground. Removal is safe & simple. If you prefer this to be a complete bolt-in swap, we can preassemble your coilovers with brand new Toyota top plates, bushings & nuts for only $150 more. Considering that most places charge $20 per to swap, you save time and retain a complete coilover assembly, making resale of your used parts easier! You must be willing to accept the possibility of the minor cosmetic scuffs/scrapes that may happen from strut/coil compression, and the units will be non-returnable. Please, if you have any questions contact:info@trdparts4u.com for a prompt reply. Due to our volume we may not be able to reply to posts in a timely manner. To order we will need to know which engine you have and whether or not you plan to use a heavy duty bumper and/or winch. Thank you for your continued support! This lift is being offered based on research by users and innovators. Neither us nor ARB USA makes any recommendations or warranty on the applicability of Prado components on 4th Generation 4Runners. shipping rate for CONUS only. __________________ Phil* Toyota & TRD Parts Wholesale www.FJCruiserOffroad.com www.trdparts4u.com www.toyotapartsales.com Authorized ARB/OldManEmu Dealer Authorized *OASIS* Air Deflators Dealer

05-25-2005, 07:19 PM	#22 (permalink)
*Strap22* Sponsoring Vendor Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 1,328	New Complete 2nd Gen. Lift Kit We have had several request for a complete 2nd Generation 4Runner Lift Kit.We put together what we feel is a solid set-up that gives you three options. Option (1) 3"-4" Lift (approx.) Sdori 1.5" Ball Joint Spacers (1pair) Sdori 2" Coil Spacers (pair) OME N98 Front Shocks (each) OME N72F Rear Shocks (each) OME 901HD Coil Springs (each) OME SD33 Steering Stabilizer Total $614.04 Option (2) 1.5"-2" Lift (approx.) Sdori 1.5" Ball Joint Spacers (1pair) OME 901HD Coil Springs (each) OME N98 Front Shocks (each) OME N72F Rear Shocks (each) Total $476.32 Option (3) 1.5"-2" Lift (approx.) Sdori 1.5" Ball Joint Spacers (1pair) Sdori 2" Coil Spacers (pair) OME N98 Front Shocks (each) OME N72FRear Shocks (each) Total $437.40 Freight additional...Email your zip to info@trdparts4u.com for quote. These prices for the kits are for your convenience. All above items are available individually. Inquire at: info@trdparts4u.com __________________ *Phil* Toyota & TRD Parts Wholesale www.FJCruiserOffroad.com www.trdparts4u.com www.toyotapartsales.com Authorized ARB/OldManEmu Dealer Authorized *OASIS* Air Deflators Dealer

05-26-2005, 02:23 AM	#23 (permalink)
i_love_tacos Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tuba City, AZ Posts: 322	this is what i have: Front: performance products 1'' lift springs daystar 2'' spacer rear: tuff country 2'' add-a-leafs thats all i have on and its does really well on and off-road. makes good clearance for 32x12.5 tires with a little trimming. 33's could probably work too. i have flexed the AAL's, gone airborne a bit and they have not lost its lift. the 3 inch ones i had on before broke. they give a good lift, but they straighten out a bit and could break. the front performance products springs are nice. way better than stock springs. they have not lost its lift either. the only thing you dont want to do is use them with the revtek or tuff country spacers. makes a very stiff ride and bounces a lot. spacers that go on the very top of the strut are much better. hope this helps out someone.

06-14-2005, 06:46 AM	#24 (permalink)
934rnr Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: S. Burlington, VT Posts: 1,240	1982 1st Gen Pickup 4" procomp suspension lift consisits of 4" lift springs on front and block lift in rear now sagging to little over 3" now. 1" RB body-lift front axle widened using IFS hubs axle now 58" rear axle widened with 1.25" wheel spacers now 58" 35x12.50 BFG MT KM tires on 15x8 3.5" backspaced wheels. Front tires do rub under full compression even with 1" body-lift Currently running rancho 5012's on the back like this / \. I don't recommend the Procomp suspension lift it came with my truck but I wouldn't buy it personally. The plan for my suspension is going to 63" chevy springs on back and rear springs on the front. Info on 63" Chevy springs: 63" Chevy springs FAQ I will be using Bud Built chevy spring hangers and a custom built rear shackle out of 3/8" 2" wide flatbar it will likely be about 7-8" long. Here's a little info on the rear springs on front subject Rear springs on front FAQ A side not on rear springs on front you basically have to build your own pack and experiment to get the right combo you want. I will be using a combo of leaf springs from a 85 2wd rear pack and my old 83 rear spring pack. This will also address rubbing issues with the front wheel well since it moves the axle forward at least 1-1.5" Also you cannot use the stock push pull steering with these either. You must goto a hysteer setup. Then I am adding the Ford F350 shock mounts and rancho 5012's to front as well. Prices: 4" Procomp suspension lift - $513.99 Planned suspension going on: Bud Built chevy spring hangers - $55 4ea Rancho 5000 5012 shocks - $160 RB 1" Body-Lift - $90 Junkyard not rusty good condition 2000 63 Chevy leaf springs - $120 U-bolt Flip kit for rear - $55 Budbuilt 8" shackles $40 Ford F-350 shock towers - $30 used 85 2wd leaf packs $40 Rear stock leaf pack - free Budbuilt Banana Shackles for front springs $50 Sky-Manufacturing Hysteer - $413 IFS steering box - Got for free Other stuff 4 ea 35x12.50 BFG MT KM tires $760 4 ea 15x8 Rock Crawler series 51 3.5" backspaced rims - $200 2 ea 1.25" wheel spacers - $110 Probably about $200-$300 in welding required for the spring hangers and shock mounts and mounting IFS box. Links: Sky Manufacturing Hysteer from Roadlessgear.com Sky Manifacturing.com Bud Built Rancho shocks Procomp Suspension Lifts Roger Brown Body Lifts BF Goodrich Tires __________________ 86 Toyota 4 runner Soild front axle, 35x12.5 BFG KM2's, winch, blah blah blah.... http://www.yotatech.com/f116/my-new-red-snappah-152938/ My cardomain page Last edited by 934rnr; 06-14-2005 at 10:58 AM.

06-14-2005, 07:39 AM	#25 (permalink)
sschaefer3 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Arizona Posts: 5,494	1999 4Runner Front: Alcan Leaf Springs Currie Shackles Dynatrac U-Bolt Flip Kit 10" Travel Bilstein 5150 Rear: Alcan Leaf Springs Old Man Emu Shackles Man-A-Fre U-Bolt flip Kit 10" Travel Bilstein 5150 Involved minor cutting & welding __________________ Steve Schaefer* *WWW.SonoranSteel.Com* Suspension Lift Kits * Rock Sliders * Straight Axle Conversions * 4Runner/FJC Rubicon Express Lower Links * Accessories * Daystar Products Dealer * TJM Bull Bar Dealer * Deaver Leaf Spring Dealer * Tokico & Bilstein Shock Dealer * ViAir Dealer * Total Chaos Dealer * TOYTEC Dealer * and like everyone else a Trail Gear Dealer

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