E-Locker or ARB locker...Which is better & Why?

jataga · 10-26-2003, 12:47 PM

Does anyone have experience with either of these lockers? I'm trying to figure out a couple of things:

Which locker is better and why?

How much for all the parts of each setup?

Have you or a friend had either locker break down and if so, what part broke?

Thanks!

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Tacoma Dude · 10-26-2003, 12:51 PM

First, welcome to YT!
People here are great and you'll learn a lot!

Not that I have any first hand experience but I've heard from a few people that the E-locker is better as the ARB air locker is dependent on the compressor which will sooner or later crap out because of the constant strain of maintaining the air flow.

That's what I've heard though, I don't have any experience to back this up.

OneTrickToy · 10-26-2003, 01:20 PM

E-locker. The ARB requires constant air to keep the locker engaged. With the E-locker, it is run off of a pulse. It doesn't need constant electricity to run. A pulse engages it. It will stay that way even if the wires get cut.

Flygtenstein · 10-26-2003, 01:26 PM

I replied to the other thread as well.

I have dual ARB's and love it.

ARB rear thirds bolt right in, e-locker thirds require modifications.

My ARB compressor is no where near "crapping out" after running the lockers for the last 18 months or so. The lockers require constant air pressure to remain activated, but the compressor has a tank so it does not run the whole time.

ARB's engage and disengage quicker.

Cost becomes a wash if you are regearing.

X-AWDriver · 10-26-2003, 02:51 PM

Are there any aftermarket E-lockers for the 4Runners that are pretty much the same as the OEM one from Toyota or can you buy the stock one? How much does the average install cost?

Mojo_Risin · 10-26-2003, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by X-AWDriver
Are there any aftermarket E-lockers for the 4Runners that are pretty much the same as the OEM one from Toyota or can you buy the stock one? How much does the average install cost?

OEM is the only option as far as E-lockers. You can get them used for about 1/2 the price. That's what I did. (www.car-part.com). I had Offroad Solutions (in Lakewood) install mine - cost me about $650 for them to wire it, modify the housing and install it. You could save about $200 off that price if you wire it yourself.

I went the used e-locker route versus an ARB because of the price. But if you got a new 3rd with e-locker your about the same as far as money.

John

jataga · 10-26-2003, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mojo_Risin
OEM is the only option as far as E-lockers. You can get them used for about 1/2 the price. That's what I did. (www.car-part.com). I had Offroad Solutions (in Lakewood) install mine - cost me about $650 for them to wire it, modify the housing and install it. You could save about $200 off that price if you wire it yourself.

I went the used e-locker route versus an ARB because of the price. But if you got a new 3rd with e-locker your about the same as far as money.

John

How much did you get the used e-locker for? did the 650 include the wire? did the wiring harnest and wire come with the e-locker?

thanks for the information!!

joez · 10-26-2003, 08:05 PM

what about the electrac? limited slip when unlocked, and fully locked when engaged. that is what i would buy.

914runner · 10-26-2003, 08:10 PM

joez-I dont think the electrac is out yet for the toyota 8"

.

I would get an ARB so I have an excuse to get a air compressor too

Darren · 10-26-2003, 08:20 PM

This was linked on a virtually identical thread earlier this year:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...ARB+vs+elocker

RTdawgs · 10-26-2003, 08:24 PM

john -

search www.car-part.com for 96-00 4Runners with the e-locker. search carriers with diff lock and whatever gear ratio you want. you can swap the rear third with the modifications. for the front you can buy a 3rd with the ARB and gears set up and just swap that in. at least this is how i would do it.

marc z got 4.88s and ARBs put in a month ago from patrick at 4x4customs near his house. paul is getting 4.88s and ARBs put in (maybe he already has them) too. so try to get a hold of them.

Flygtenstein · 10-26-2003, 08:45 PM

I forget if it is Electrac or the Eaton E-locker, but one of them got sued by Toyota because the locker they were marketing would be fundamentally identical to the stock Toy e-locker. Because of this, there will never be one of those, I want to say the Eaton one, available for a Toy.

Mojo_Risin · 10-26-2003, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jataga
How much did you get the used e-locker for? did the 650 include the wire? did the wiring harnest and wire come with the e-locker?

thanks for the information!!

I got mine used for $325 - shipped to my door. No it didn't come with the wiring harness.

I'm still curious if anyone has tried Inchworm Gear's "E-Locker control Kit" for $75

"The electric locker control kit contains everything you need to engage and disengage your new electric locker. The switch, wires, relays, resistors, connectors, and zip ties are all included. It's also complete with instructions so you can install it."
--From Inchworm's website... www.inchwormgear.com

That seems like a fairly inexpensive way to wire it up.

John

WolfpackTLC · 10-26-2003, 10:22 PM

ARB... hands down. It's a stronger carrier. For serious wheeling everybody knows that you choose between a Detroit and an ARB. Nothing else can replace the carrier w/ anything stronger except for a spool.

Arnold · 10-27-2003, 05:18 AM

ARB because they make a cool sound when you disengage 'em.

jataga · 10-27-2003, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arnold
ARB because they make a cool sound when you disengage 'em.

Ha! That could be a deciding factor.

INsr5runner · 10-27-2003, 01:07 PM

is the inchworm E-locker just the OEM one?

Shane · 10-27-2003, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by INsr5runner
is the inchworm E-locker just the OEM one?

Yes. Jim sells new e-locker diffs for a decent price and can regear them for you. His service is excellent.

As for the $75 kit, you can get everything you need to build a crude control system for around $20. In my opinion if you're gonna spend that much for the electronics you might as well go all the way and use the stock ECUs, they work very well and give you some basic diagnostics info through the indicator light.

runnerboy97 · 10-29-2003, 08:01 PM

How bout a good place to find used elocker, cause they are probably cheaper. I didnt see any decent priced one on car-part.com

transalper · 10-30-2003, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by runnerboy97
How bout a good place to find used elocker, cause they are probably cheaper. I didnt see any decent priced one on car-part.com

I just did a search and found a bunch of e-locker diffs on car-part. Try searching for "carrier." Here's one:1997 Carrier Toyota 4Runner Axl, w/diff lock, 4.30 ratio- A04A N30634 $300.18 LKQ - Midwest Auto Parts USA-NE(Omaha) E-mail 1-800-456-9683

Go for it!

10-26-2003, 12:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tacoma Dude Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,360	First, welcome to YT! People here are great and you'll learn a lot! Not that I have any first hand experience but I've heard from a few people that the E-locker is better as the ARB air locker is dependent on the compressor which will sooner or later crap out because of the constant strain of maintaining the air flow. That's what I've heard though, I don't have any experience to back this up. __________________ Peter! 2002 Tacoma 1986 4Runner

10-26-2003, 01:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
OneTrickToy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 917	E-locker. The ARB requires constant air to keep the locker engaged. With the E-locker, it is run off of a pulse. It doesn't need constant electricity to run. A pulse engages it. It will stay that way even if the wires get cut. __________________ New Rig 2007 Double Cab Taco Sold 1991 300ZX Twin Turbo Stage 3+ Sold 1991 4x4 Pickup V6 5spd; 3" Rancho lift; 1.5" BJ Spacers; Rear Detroit

10-26-2003, 02:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,174	Are there any aftermarket E-lockers for the 4Runners that are pretty much the same as the OEM one from Toyota or can you buy the stock one? How much does the average install cost? __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

10-26-2003, 08:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
joez Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Elwood, Il Posts: 1,253	what about the electrac? limited slip when unlocked, and fully locked when engaged. that is what i would buy. __________________ -Joe Z Chicago 4x4 My Webshots 1985 Toyota 4Runner, 3" Trail Gear rear/ All-Pro front springs, 42x14 IROK's, Allied Rockathons, spool rear/detroit front, 30 spline longs, Dual cases w/4.7, Marlin High steer, lots of other stuff.. 1997 Dodge 2500 4x4, 12valve CTD, not stock.

10-26-2003, 08:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
914runner Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tigard, Oregon Posts: 2,083	joez-I dont think the electrac is out yet for the toyota 8" . I would get an ARB so I have an excuse to get a air compressor too __________________ 1997 Toyota 4Runner, 3.4L (5VZ-FE), 5-Speed (R150F), 4WD, 4.10's, 33's 1998 Toyota 4Runner, 3.4L (5VZ-FE), 5-Speed (R150F), 4WD, 4.10's, 33's 1991 Toyota 4Runner 4 Door, 3.4l (5VZ-FE), 5-Speed (R150F), 4WD, 32's, 4.10's

10-26-2003, 01:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,246	I replied to the other thread as well. I have dual ARB's and love it. ARB rear thirds bolt right in, e-locker thirds require modifications. My ARB compressor is no where near "crapping out" after running the lockers for the last 18 months or so. The lockers require constant air pressure to remain activated, but the compressor has a tank so it does not run the whole time. ARB's engage and disengage quicker. Cost becomes a wash if you are regearing.

10-26-2003, 08:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Darren Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Aurora, CO Posts: 1,031	This was linked on a virtually identical thread earlier this year: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...ARB+vs+elocker __________________ 2002 4Runner MyColorado.org (CO landscapes, destinations & trip reports)

10-26-2003, 08:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
RTdawgs Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,066	john - search www.car-part.com for 96-00 4Runners with the e-locker. search carriers with diff lock and whatever gear ratio you want. you can swap the rear third with the modifications. for the front you can buy a 3rd with the ARB and gears set up and just swap that in. at least this is how i would do it. marc z got 4.88s and ARBs put in a month ago from patrick at 4x4customs near his house. paul is getting 4.88s and ARBs put in (maybe he already has them) too. so try to get a hold of them. __________________ Ryan New: 2008 4Runner Sport. Mild, not wild. Old: 2000 4Runner 305s, Locker, TJM, Warn, Skids, Sliders, SC

10-26-2003, 08:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,246	I forget if it is Electrac or the Eaton E-locker, but one of them got sued by Toyota because the locker they were marketing would be fundamentally identical to the stock Toy e-locker. Because of this, there will never be one of those, I want to say the Eaton one, available for a Toy.

10-26-2003, 10:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
WolfpackTLC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 828	ARB... hands down. It's a stronger carrier. For serious wheeling everybody knows that you choose between a Detroit and an ARB. Nothing else can replace the carrier w/ anything stronger except for a spool. __________________ 1995 Land Cruiser -ARB'd, OME'D, Slee'd, Warn'd, lifted, locked, dented, WHEELED.

10-27-2003, 05:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
Arnold Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Stanwood, WA Posts: 699	ARB because they make a cool sound when you disengage 'em.

10-27-2003, 01:07 PM	#17 (permalink)
INsr5runner Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,151	is the inchworm E-locker just the OEM one? __________________ CLIMB MORE ROCKS! SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS! Carmel Cycling

10-29-2003, 08:01 PM	#19 (permalink)
runnerboy97 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 1,017	How bout a good place to find used elocker, cause they are probably cheaper. I didnt see any decent priced one on car-part.com __________________ 1997 4runner,lifted, locked, dash and grille mounted red LED lights, its my DD 1988 4runner, SAS, dual lockers, dual cases, longfields, 36's, and lots more.

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