Why not Diesel?

terky · 05-11-2004, 08:08 PM

I was saving up my money to buy a 4.3L chevy but then i was thinking. You can totally submerge a diesel in water as long as it can still breath. No electrical problems to run into. Seems like a better choice for offroad. also if you can get non-taxed diesel its even better.

Now i think i am going to save for a small diesel motor instead. If anybody knows an engine that can fit easily into a 1st gen pickup please let me know.

Thanks

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Scofco · 05-11-2004, 08:09 PM

Have to be careful with diesels in the winter though.

terky · 05-11-2004, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scofco

Have to be careful with diesels in the winter though.

Just get a block heater and some stuff so the fuel doesnt gel right? I think thats the only problem.

Scofco · 05-11-2004, 08:13 PM

Block heater doesn't protect the tank

SoCal4Running · 05-11-2004, 09:14 PM

A 4cylinder perkins, John Deer or Cummins would be perfect. Look for them in comercial forklifts and other similar equiptment.

Simple turbo charger and gobs of torque. Some times you do have to use a fuel tank heater but nothing you cant get at a truck yard for $15.00.

If it gets too cold at night you can just let it run.

terky · 05-11-2004, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal4Running

A 4cylinder perkins, John Deer or Cummins would be perfect. Look for them in comercial forklifts and other similar equiptment.

Thanks man

edit: nuthin on ebay

SoCal4Running · 05-11-2004, 09:24 PM

Ive often wanted to do the same to my 4runner.

My uncle is a diesel wizard (retired fom Detroit) and showed me a 2-cycle 4-cylinder that reved to 9 thousand rpm, couldnt believe it, sounded like a weed wacker on steriods.

firemaniac · 05-11-2004, 10:12 PM

Has anyone actually done a diesel swap? I have been toying with the idea for a short time (the idea of maby 35 mpg, and/or running on vegitable oil is what got me thinking) I am looking for any info (print or net) to do further research

IGotaQ · 05-11-2004, 11:36 PM

That is not really what makes a diesel good offroad. They are good cause they make tons of torque at super low rpms. That is the kind of power you want for wheeling.

foxtrapper · 05-12-2004, 02:33 AM

You know Toyota used to have diesels in these trucks right? Find one and install that. They are rare, but fairly cheap, and it's a drop in fit.

Do be aware that particular engine is rather weak, so you've be going slow. But for crawling, that would be fine.

Highland Runner · 05-12-2004, 04:50 AM

foxtrapper is correct. Here is a website devoted to Toyota diesels.
http://www.toyotadieselmadness.com/
The old 2L, 2LT, are on par with the 22r as far as power. They do get much better mileage though. There is a company in Atlanta that always has half cuts with diesels in them. I'll try to find the site.

okidoc · 05-12-2004, 07:28 AM

http://www.toyotadiesel.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=128

http://d220208.u30.websitesource.net...13a95488c02023

Highland was right that is a great site. I should be working but I'm just salivating.

The first link above has pics of a recent 22re -> 2L swap.

The second deals w/ 3.0 -> to diesel and other problems.

Thank you Highland.

Mossback74 · 05-12-2004, 07:30 AM

Try to find a toyota 3.0 Diesel

Highland Runner · 05-12-2004, 08:57 AM

Yea, the 1KZ-TE. It's intercooled, has close to 200 HP, and 300 ft/lbs torque. I want to drive to Costa Rico, swap one into mine, then drive home.

IGotaQ · 05-12-2004, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxtrapper

You know Toyota used to have diesels in these trucks right? Find one and install that. They are rare, but fairly cheap, and it's a drop in fit.

Do be aware that particular engine is rather weak, so you've be going slow. But for crawling, that would be fine.

I am not totally familiar with diesel SMOG laws but.. as far as petrol engines go, you can only swap in newer engines to be smog legal.
Also, toyota still makes diesels overseas and in canada. Snag one of these and you'll have awesome power.

4runner4ever · 05-12-2004, 11:33 AM

I have had several Hilux diesels and compared to my 7M-GE and previous 3VZE they are far more reliable and have a better torque band which is way better for offroading. It only lacks power if you are in the need for speed.
My old 2LT's (with water cooled intercooler) were good for an easy 90 mph and a top speed of about 100 mph depending on my lift and tyres.
Starting her up in the winter was easy. Just ad 10-15% gas to the diesel or add a fuel heater just before the dieselfilter. The tank is not importend, any gel in the diesel dissolves in the fuel heater.

The reason I quit diesels? A road tax for a diesel of about 3500 $ a year was killing me. So I bought the 4R, SAS'd it, put in a 7M-GE and now I pay about 1400 $ a year. :pat:

kyle_22r · 05-12-2004, 11:36 AM

that's in california, other states(like washington) don't care, i think they just do a sniffer test in the emission controlled areas here, if they do it with diesels at all

the L and 2L should bolt right up, then it's all a matter of running your fuel line and wiring the starter/fuel pump/glow plugs

i would love to have a 3L diesel in my truck. 2.8l, basically a bigger 2L

Babypig · 05-12-2004, 02:46 PM

Try going to a Hino dealer and see what they have. They make the diesels for toyota so they may have something that will fit.

05-11-2004, 08:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
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SoCal4Running Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Oceanside, CA. Posts: 1,232	A 4cylinder perkins, John Deer or Cummins would be perfect. Look for them in comercial forklifts and other similar equiptment. Simple turbo charger and gobs of torque. Some times you do have to use a fuel tank heater but nothing you cant get at a truck yard for $15.00. If it gets too cold at night you can just let it run. __________________ '86 4runner 22RE, 5-speed, LC Street EFI head w/ cam, LC Pistons, ARP Head Studs, Downey header, Dynomax 2 1/4" full exhaust, VDO water temp guage, ASIN manual hubs, 01-03 Tacoma cd\tape radio with 10" Bazzoka, Downey 2" rear springs, GDI radiator. Back to daily driving duties '68 Ford Mustang Fastback Daily driver with a built 289 and a streetfighter trans.(Retired) 98 Subaru Outback-For Sale 2005 Toyota Tacoma V6, 6 speed stick, Speedway Blue Waco93.com

05-11-2004, 09:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
SoCal4Running Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Oceanside, CA. Posts: 1,232	Ive often wanted to do the same to my 4runner. My uncle is a diesel wizard (retired fom Detroit) and showed me a 2-cycle 4-cylinder that reved to 9 thousand rpm, couldnt believe it, sounded like a weed wacker on steriods. __________________ '86 4runner 22RE, 5-speed, LC Street EFI head w/ cam, LC Pistons, ARP Head Studs, Downey header, Dynomax 2 1/4" full exhaust, VDO water temp guage, ASIN manual hubs, 01-03 Tacoma cd\tape radio with 10" Bazzoka, Downey 2" rear springs, GDI radiator. Back to daily driving duties '68 Ford Mustang Fastback Daily driver with a built 289 and a streetfighter trans.(Retired) 98 Subaru Outback-For Sale 2005 Toyota Tacoma V6, 6 speed stick, Speedway Blue Waco93.com

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IGotaQ Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Santa Cruz & San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 32	That is not really what makes a diesel good offroad. They are good cause they make tons of torque at super low rpms. That is the kind of power you want for wheeling. __________________ 89 Regular Cab 22RE 4" lift, TT front, rollcage

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firemaniac Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Granite Falls, WA. U.S.A. Posts: 242	Has anyone actually done a diesel swap? I have been toying with the idea for a short time (the idea of maby 35 mpg, and/or running on vegitable oil is what got me thinking) I am looking for any info (print or net) to do further research

05-12-2004, 02:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
foxtrapper Guest Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 315	You know Toyota used to have diesels in these trucks right? Find one and install that. They are rare, but fairly cheap, and it's a drop in fit. Do be aware that particular engine is rather weak, so you've be going slow. But for crawling, that would be fine.

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Highland Runner Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Highlands, NC Posts: 682	foxtrapper is correct. Here is a website devoted to Toyota diesels. http://www.toyotadieselmadness.com/ The old 2L, 2LT, are on par with the 22r as far as power. They do get much better mileage though. There is a company in Atlanta that always has half cuts with diesels in them. I'll try to find the site. __________________ Chris Mine-94 SR5 4-Runner, 3.0, 4X4, Aisin Hubs, Yakima Load Warrior, 210k Miles \| Wifes-99 Limited

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okidoc Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 118	http://www.toyotadiesel.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=128 http://d220208.u30.websitesource.net...13a95488c02023 Highland was right that is a great site. I should be working but I'm just salivating. The first link above has pics of a recent 22re -> 2L swap. The second deals w/ 3.0 -> to diesel and other problems. Thank you Highland. __________________ 1995 3.SLOW 4X4 AUTO SR5 STOCK AND MORE RELIABLE THAN MY OLD JEEP

05-12-2004, 07:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
Mossback74 Contributing Member Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 896	Try to find a toyota 3.0 Diesel __________________ 4Runner Anthracite 98 LTD 3.4 AT 240K miles, 285 Pro Comp X-Treme MT , Blue Taco Shocks and TRD tundra coils, Diff Drop, N86 and 891 w/ cones, 1.5" Body Lift, E-Locker w/anytime mod, 4 in. Deckplate, Amsoil air filter and fluids, Optima 34R, Yak Rack and Hull Raiser. (Wrecked 94 is still missed)-----See the pics-----

05-12-2004, 08:57 AM	#14 (permalink)
Highland Runner Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Highlands, NC Posts: 682	Yea, the 1KZ-TE. It's intercooled, has close to 200 HP, and 300 ft/lbs torque. I want to drive to Costa Rico, swap one into mine, then drive home. __________________ Chris Mine-94 SR5 4-Runner, 3.0, 4X4, Aisin Hubs, Yakima Load Warrior, 210k Miles \| Wifes-99 Limited

05-12-2004, 11:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
4runner4ever Contributing Member Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2003 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 456	I have had several Hilux diesels and compared to my 7M-GE and previous 3VZE they are far more reliable and have a better torque band which is way better for offroading. It only lacks power if you are in the need for speed. My old 2LT's (with water cooled intercooler) were good for an easy 90 mph and a top speed of about 100 mph depending on my lift and tyres. Starting her up in the winter was easy. Just ad 10-15% gas to the diesel or add a fuel heater just before the dieselfilter. The tank is not importend, any gel in the diesel dissolves in the fuel heater. The reason I quit diesels? A road tax for a diesel of about 3500 $ a year was killing me. So I bought the 4R, SAS'd it, put in a 7M-GE and now I pay about 1400 $ a year. :pat: __________________ '90 4R 2JZ-GE swap, headers, turbo and intercooler FR and RR LC axles coils and discs all around AllPro parking brake 305/70 R16 Yokohama MT 4.88 gears

05-12-2004, 11:36 AM	#17 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,981	that's in california, other states(like washington) don't care, i think they just do a sniffer test in the emission controlled areas here, if they do it with diesels at all the L and 2L should bolt right up, then it's all a matter of running your fuel line and wiring the starter/fuel pump/glow plugs i would love to have a 3L diesel in my truck. 2.8l, basically a bigger 2L __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

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Babypig Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,091	Try going to a Hino dealer and see what they have. They make the diesels for toyota so they may have something that will fit. __________________ Ironpig2 is a 1990 4runner SR5 95 3.0V6, ARB front bumper, Hella H4 conversion, Hayden Trans cooler, Aisin manual hubs, Drilled headlight bezel, Clinometer, Altimiter, Assorted Camera mounts, JVC double din head unit, Hilux Surf emblems, Bridgestone Revo's, OME 901's , N72f's "Stay calm, Be brave, Wait for the signs."

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