replace rear diff. or entire rear end?

washington4Runner · 02-23-2007, 12:18 PM

question for the group: apparently my rear differential is bad - metal shavings and water inside - so should i replace just the 3rd member (i assume this is just the rear diff.?) for $275 plus $225 labor, or the entire rear-end for $550 plus $250 labor?

any help would be much appreciated since i only know how to drive 4runners, not work on them!

thanks!

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MudHippy · 02-23-2007, 12:32 PM

Shoot I'll teach ya! Hard call for me to make without knowing the possible damage caused to the axle shafts or other internals, that occurs when the corrosive combo of water n' oil get together for a night on the town. Where the heck are ya I'll do it for less, kidding, though I would really, that's not very steep a charge as far as I've seen. Either way you need to go.

**UKMyers** · 02-23-2007, 12:33 PM

It depends on what grenaded. If it was just your ring and pinion just find a set of gears and an install kit and have somebody replace them. I just mailed a guy a set of 4.30 gears I had laying around for $20. I'm having a full third set up with a locker right now for $100. If one of your axle shafts came apart that's a different story. $225 in labor to replace a third is kind of steep unless that includes setting up new gears in it.

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mt_goat · 02-23-2007, 12:35 PM

How long has water been in there? You may get away with just replacing or rebuilding the 3rd member and maybe the axle bearings.

washington4Runner · 02-23-2007, 12:45 PM

thanks for the responses. hard to say how long the water and metal shavings have been in there. i just started hearing this kind of humming, growling sort of sound out of the back end, so i brought up to the shop where i always get my tires and had them look at it. they opened it up and said there was water and metal in there and that i need to replace the diff.

i grew up working on muscle cars, mustangs, etc., so i am relatively clueless when it comes to 4runners.

**UKMyers** · 02-23-2007, 12:49 PM

Sounds like your R&P is probably toasted. If you can afford it this a great opportunity to buy a drop in third with a locker installed from Trail Gear. They are a bit spendy though. Next time around install a diff breather hose that keeps it out of the water and change your fluids from time to time. If you have a stock diff breather and go through water over about halfway up your rim your gonna get water in the diff.

washington4Runner · 02-23-2007, 01:00 PM

by r&p i assume you mean rings and pinions? since i don't do a lot of rock crawling, i am not sure i need anything too fancy. mostly use 4x4 for climbing dirt and sand when i am at the ocean looking for new surf spots.

so if i just need rings and pinions, i should probably just pick up the 3rd member, right?

MudHippy · 02-23-2007, 01:15 PM

Darn close, it means ring&pinion gears(2 total), however the differential has pinion gears also, 2 or 4. Yes, a third member swap is real easy, if you are familiar with RTV and bleeding brakes. An entire axle swap is more work but not much more complicated.

washington4Runner · 02-23-2007, 01:18 PM

ok, i think i am starting to understand all of this. thanks for listening to all the newb questions.

**UKMyers** · 02-23-2007, 01:20 PM

The Ring and Pinion is inside the third member. The third member itself it just the metal piece that the driveline hooks too and bolts to the axle housing. You dont' need a whole new third just the goodies that are inside of it. The easiest fix would be to pull a complete third with the same gear ratio out of one from the junkyard or somewhere. It's easy to change one out when everything is already ready to run.

washington4Runner · 02-23-2007, 01:23 PM

aha, ok. so when someone says they have a 3rd member for sale for $275, you think they probably just mean the housing, not the goodies?

MudHippy · 02-23-2007, 01:30 PM

Indeed it's possible that all you need is a ring & pinion, which isn't that much more difficult than either option, and could be the least expensive. Lot's of info from guys on this site or elsewhere available for free. I taught my self and I'm a slow learner, just be sure to have a good understanding, to save yourself the time/money/hassle of mistakes, over-sights,etc.

MudHippy · 02-23-2007, 01:32 PM

No, sorry was typing, they probably mean the whole unit, most specify whether the ring or pinion and/or what ratio, is included. If they don't, assume it isn't included, no geussing on the gear ratio, a need-to-know in these circumstances. That's way to spendy for a third with no r&p.

**UKMyers** · 02-23-2007, 02:01 PM

Ya just a third housing usually goes for $100-$150 bucks.

KyleT · 02-23-2007, 02:20 PM

i have a good non-elocked third with 4.10s that came out of my truck. no noise and no teeth damaged. 157k on it when I pulled it. Its easy to do the swap. we did my e-lock swap in an evening and that imcluded cutting and tapping the new studs in the housing.

DarylD · 02-24-2007, 11:10 PM

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**DeathCougar** · 02-24-2007, 11:19 PM

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02-23-2007, 12:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
MudHippy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Realm Of Fecal Cohesion Posts: 2,014	Shoot I'll teach ya! Hard call for me to make without knowing the possible damage caused to the axle shafts or other internals, that occurs when the corrosive combo of water n' oil get together for a night on the town. Where the heck are ya I'll do it for less, kidding, though I would really, that's not very steep a charge as far as I've seen. Either way you need to go. Last edited by MudHippy; 02-23-2007 at 12:37 PM.

02-23-2007, 12:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,863	How long has water been in there? You may get away with just replacing or rebuilding the 3rd member and maybe the axle bearings. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000.

02-23-2007, 12:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
washington4Runner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 8	replace rear diff. or entire rear end? thanks for the responses. hard to say how long the water and metal shavings have been in there. i just started hearing this kind of humming, growling sort of sound out of the back end, so i brought up to the shop where i always get my tires and had them look at it. they opened it up and said there was water and metal in there and that i need to replace the diff. i grew up working on muscle cars, mustangs, etc., so i am relatively clueless when it comes to 4runners.

02-23-2007, 01:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
washington4Runner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 8	by r&p i assume you mean rings and pinions? since i don't do a lot of rock crawling, i am not sure i need anything too fancy. mostly use 4x4 for climbing dirt and sand when i am at the ocean looking for new surf spots. so if i just need rings and pinions, i should probably just pick up the 3rd member, right? __________________ 2000 Black SR5 3.4LV6 - 265/75/16 Destination A/Ts - Running Boards - Front/Rear/Sunroof Spoilers - Factory Rear Tint/15% Front Tint - Debadged

02-23-2007, 01:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
MudHippy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Realm Of Fecal Cohesion Posts: 2,014	Darn close, it means ring&pinion gears(2 total), however the differential has pinion gears also, 2 or 4. Yes, a third member swap is real easy, if you are familiar with RTV and bleeding brakes. An entire axle swap is more work but not much more complicated. Last edited by MudHippy; 02-23-2007 at 01:20 PM.

02-23-2007, 01:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
washington4Runner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 8	ok, i think i am starting to understand all of this. thanks for listening to all the newb questions. __________________ 2000 Black SR5 3.4LV6 - 265/75/16 Destination A/Ts - Running Boards - Front/Rear/Sunroof Spoilers - Factory Rear Tint/15% Front Tint - Debadged

02-23-2007, 01:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
washington4Runner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 8	aha, ok. so when someone says they have a 3rd member for sale for $275, you think they probably just mean the housing, not the goodies? __________________ 2000 Black SR5 3.4LV6 - 265/75/16 Destination A/Ts - Running Boards - Front/Rear/Sunroof Spoilers - Factory Rear Tint/15% Front Tint - Debadged

02-23-2007, 01:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
MudHippy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Realm Of Fecal Cohesion Posts: 2,014	Indeed it's possible that all you need is a ring & pinion, which isn't that much more difficult than either option, and could be the least expensive. Lot's of info from guys on this site or elsewhere available for free. I taught my self and I'm a slow learner, just be sure to have a good understanding, to save yourself the time/money/hassle of mistakes, over-sights,etc.

02-23-2007, 01:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
MudHippy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Realm Of Fecal Cohesion Posts: 2,014	No, sorry was typing, they probably mean the whole unit, most specify whether the ring or pinion and/or what ratio, is included. If they don't, assume it isn't included, no geussing on the gear ratio, a need-to-know in these circumstances. That's way to spendy for a third with no r&p. Last edited by MudHippy; 02-23-2007 at 01:43 PM.

02-23-2007, 02:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
KyleT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS Posts: 1,087	i have a good non-elocked third with 4.10s that came out of my truck. no noise and no teeth damaged. 157k on it when I pulled it. Its easy to do the swap. we did my e-lock swap in an evening and that imcluded cutting and tapping the new studs in the housing. __________________ - Kyle Former Owner of - 1996 Sunfire Red Metallic 4Runner Limited updated 10/31/06 OEM/TRD Lift Kit #1 from Sonoran Steel with 1 Top-out spacer - Lexus GX470 rims - 295/70r17 Nitto Terra Grapplers Yukon 4.88's, E-Locked Rear, Waiting to blow up front diff #2

02-24-2007, 11:10 PM	#16 (permalink)
DarylD Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Bothell,Wa Posts: 209	PM sent __________________ 94 4runner 4cyl 5sp, SAS , rear leaf swap ,Fj 80 front axle ,E-lockers 72 Datsun 510 2dr , v6 conversion in progress

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