Survival pack (food)

***Corey*** · 11-24-2007, 07:28 AM

With the addition of the M-Pack rack and packs on my rear door, I want to make one of the bigger ones a survival type pack with food and a stove.

I have a lot of backpacking gear which includes a small Camping Gaz lantern and stove that run off of the disposable blue butane/propane mix cartridges.

I can throw those, some plastic forks/spoons, and other food into the pack.

The pack could be for emergencies like a natural disaster.
I know they sell packs already equipped, but I may as well take advantage of the packs on the rear door.

What else would you carry in one as far as freeze dried food from Mountain House?
Protein bars, what else?

If a disaster hit while I was at work, the vending machines and cafeteria food would go fast, and we have been advised to have our own backup plan.

Also stuff such as flashlights is already covered, I have about 4 of them scattered around the rig.

The pack will not need to contain shelter or clothing, that can be stored in the rig loosely.
Same as bottled water, it can be stored in the rig as well.

The pack is mainly going to be for food.

sdstud212001 · 11-24-2007, 08:31 AM

you should think about the food pyramid and what it says we need, thats what I did when packing mine. If you are in a real survival situation you may have to hike out whick will require you to be in top notch shape.

I know some of this this will add weight over freeze dried food but you won't waste precious water to prepare.

I carry
a few cans of french cut green beans
a few cans of sliced peaches
a few cans of bushes beans
beef jerkey
dried mangos

other stuff that I like. coccoa, candy, smores supplys.....mmmmmmm smores.

***Corey*** · 11-24-2007, 04:17 PM

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Got all the freeze dried stuff ordered, and also a few extra MSR 113 gram gas cartridges.

Will pick up plastic forks/spoons at Safeway, along with some bottled water to use to boil on the stove for reconstituting the freeze dried stuff, and see what they have for granola bars.

This should be good for a 4 day stay for myself.

***Corey*** · 11-30-2007, 04:14 PM

Here is a blurb on it, just finished adding it to the rig.
http://yotatech.com/f135/fj-cruiser-...l#post50682686

86tuning · 11-30-2007, 05:00 PM

Instant noodles/Ramen are cheap and light. Instant rice, soup, smashed potatoes are handy to have as well. All of these items will store indefinately as long as they're kept dry. Tupperware is your friend

That said, I'd prolly still roate the food out of the storage stash every year or so.

Think about readily available foods that are easy to cook. Back in the day when 'magic pantry' was popular, we'd keep those in the stash. Keeps without refridgeration, and tastes like real food. Almost.

sdstud212001 · 11-30-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 86tuning

Instant noodles/Ramen are cheap and light. Instant rice, soup, smashed potatoes are handy to have as well. All of these items will store indefinately as long as they're kept dry. Tupperware is your friend

That said, I'd prolly still roate the food out of the storage stash every year or so.

Think about readily available foods that are easy to cook. Back in the day when 'magic pantry' was popular, we'd keep those in the stash. Keeps without refridgeration, and tastes like real food. Almost.

Top ramen has an expiration date. I didn't think it did but my wife just proved me wrong. I wonder what else she keeps in that pretty little head. I mean she calls me tools the things, or what-cha-ma-call-it. I hope she dosent know how to look at my yotatech posts.

***Corey*** · 11-30-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sdstud212001

I hope she dosent know how to look at my yotatech posts.

You may be barking before to long

spindleshanks · 11-30-2007, 06:27 PM

The Brigade Quartermaster catalog features some serious survival food, like MilSpec MREs (Meal Ready to Eat) which feature everything, including heating elements and dessert and coffee. Check out http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=11752&M5COPY%2Ectx=7190&M5%2Ectx=3 018&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Food%20%2D%20MRE%27s%20Ready%2 0To%20Eat%2C%20Compact%20Survival%20Rations&level3 %2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=MRE&backto=%2Fagc atalog%2Fresults%2Etam
They also sell emergency ration bars that will keep you alive stranded at sea. It's a bar with all the vitamins, minerals and protein to replace food in extreme situations.
http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=16311&M5COPY%2Ectx=20204&M5%2Ectx= 20204&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Food%20%2D%20MRE%27s%20Ready %20To%20Eat%2C%20Compact%20Survival%20Rations&leve l3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=bar&backto=%2Fa gcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam
Maybe too extreme. They also sell water rations, with a 50 year lifespan, in little pouches. Cool stuff to check out.

tc · 12-01-2007, 12:35 PM

You can last a LONG time without food.

Use the space for water. Without it, you are a goner in no time.

Squeebs · 12-17-2007, 01:21 PM

My list:

Beef Jerky
Dried Bananas
Dried Apples
Trail Mix
24 case of water bottles, and some crystal light packets

and cigarettes. Because I hate stress.

Brenjen · 01-14-2008, 06:10 PM

Ramen (or any cup o soup) lasts a long time, so what if the noodles get stale a little, seal them & they'll last longer. Put a jar of dry roasted peanuts in there & some powdered soup mixes; I just bought a pack of broccoli & cheese soup mix at Walmart for a couple bucks that makes nearly a gallon of soup & is about the size of a peanut butter sandwich when seperated into single portions in ziploc bags. Dried beans will feed you a long time & keep for a long time as well. Basically anything an ultra-light backpacker would take will suit the needs of a survival pack.

I also agree with the above poster who says water is a much more urgent need. I have the Katadyn hiker pro & it has served me very well; in fact it continues to filter my water on my hiking trips to this day (well as of last week it was still working after three years,no reason to think it has stopped lol) I also have an MSR MIOX pen for extra security.

dlbrunner · 01-18-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tc

You can last a LONG time without food.

Use the space for water. Without it, you are a goner in no time.

x2

You can go at least a week without food.

I think bottled water is a good start, but throw in an eye dropper of bleach, or a backpacking water filter. I have both in my "kit"

Also, use the space for ammo. If the crap hits the fan, I imagine there won't be too many game wardens checking to see if you have a tag.

2-3 days worth of food is probably good, if you are outdoors and working, plan on 3-4000 cals per day. If you are just sitting around waiting, you can comfortably get by on about half that.

Camus · 01-18-2008, 02:08 PM

I usually just keep corn nuts original (lack the preservatives, MSG and the other junk that's in the flavored ones) and peanuts. Both are pretty light and keep a few months, they have some salt, and don't really care how hot it gets

But, like the posters above, I always keep plenty of water, usually 4-6 gallons in my truck and I usually carry about 2 gallons for a weekend backpacking trip. Obviously, this is much more necessary in the summer/desert, but I ran out of water dragging a buck down Laguna Mt. this last season (didn't bring enough, since it was cold and overcast didn't worry about it) and after several hours with a lot of exertion, I wasn't yet in an emergency or anything, but if I hadn't stumbled across some mountain bikers, I might have just had to leave the buck and hike out.

As for the ' hits the fan' I'd love to keep my girlfriend's 20 gauge single barrel in my truck as a sort of rugged survival piece, but the risk of the fascists at University of California finding it in my truck and assuming I was planning some kind of rampage with it makes it not worth it.

98runner210 · 01-22-2008, 07:28 AM

I agree with the concentrate on water more than food for an emergency situation. You can a lot longer without food then you can without water. I drove up north by myslef and was expecting major snow storms. I had bottled water under the seats, sardines, dried fruit, extra blankets, cellphone charger, flares etc etc.

Belize Off Road Team · 01-22-2008, 08:05 AM

one bad thing with carrying food (any kind) is it will attract insects. even in a properly sealed container (i found out the hard way). Water would probably be a more useful item cause you need more water than food to survive. a little bit of food never hurt, but water is vital for survival.

gilby4runner · 01-22-2008, 08:29 AM

For an emergency pack what foods will last the longest in storage?

***Corey*** · 01-22-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Belize Off Road Team

Water would probably be a more useful item cause you need more water than food to survive. a little bit of food never hurt, but water is vital for survival.

I have lots of water in the rig right now, but it is frozen

It got down to 22 F overnight.

shane4x4 · 01-22-2008, 09:15 AM

That MPack looks great! Good old MRE's always work well for emergency food

11-24-2007, 07:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 23,770	Survival pack (food) With the addition of the M-Pack rack and packs on my rear door, I want to make one of the bigger ones a survival type pack with food and a stove. I have a lot of backpacking gear which includes a small Camping Gaz lantern and stove that run off of the disposable blue butane/propane mix cartridges. I can throw those, some plastic forks/spoons, and other food into the pack. The pack could be for emergencies like a natural disaster. I know they sell packs already equipped, but I may as well take advantage of the packs on the rear door. What else would you carry in one as far as freeze dried food from Mountain House? Protein bars, what else? If a disaster hit while I was at work, the vending machines and cafeteria food would go fast, and we have been advised to have our own backup plan. Also stuff such as flashlights is already covered, I have about 4 of them scattered around the rig. The pack will not need to contain shelter or clothing, that can be stored in the rig loosely. Same as bottled water, it can be stored in the rig as well. The pack is mainly going to be for food. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser ARB bumper, Warn XD9000, OME lift, roof top tent, so much more, see my website & buildup thread PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge

11-24-2007, 08:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
sdstud212001 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Split time between Flagstaff & Kingman AZ Posts: 1,503	you should think about the food pyramid and what it says we need, thats what I did when packing mine. If you are in a real survival situation you may have to hike out whick will require you to be in top notch shape. I know some of this this will add weight over freeze dried food but you won't waste precious water to prepare. I carry a few cans of french cut green beans a few cans of sliced peaches a few cans of bushes beans beef jerkey dried mangos other stuff that I like. coccoa, candy, smores supplys.....mmmmmmm smores. __________________ 1987 DLX 4X4 5 Speed: Electric Flex-a-Lite,SR5 guages,Yokohama Geolander A/T+ II,Pro Comp AAL, KC Slimlites, Bull Bar, Aux fuse box, Limo Tint, Marlin Crawler Bumper, painted shell, Sirius Wish List: Safari Rack,Bigger tires, SDORI BJ Spacers, 2001 Limited 4X4 Auto:Tundra 231mm brake upgrade, Brembo Rotors, Akebono Pads, 17" 2007 4Runner wheels, Yokohama Geolander AT-S,Sirius & Limo tint Wish List: TJM Front Bumper, KC Hilites, Safari Roof Rack, Thule Cargo Box, Rock sliders, Limo Tint

11-30-2007, 04:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 23,770	Here is a blurb on it, just finished adding it to the rig. http://yotatech.com/f135/fj-cruiser-...l#post50682686 __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser ARB bumper, Warn XD9000, OME lift, roof top tent, so much more, see my website & buildup thread PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge

11-30-2007, 05:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
86tuning Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 449	Instant noodles/Ramen are cheap and light. Instant rice, soup, smashed potatoes are handy to have as well. All of these items will store indefinately as long as they're kept dry. Tupperware is your friend That said, I'd prolly still roate the food out of the storage stash every year or so. Think about readily available foods that are easy to cook. Back in the day when 'magic pantry' was popular, we'd keep those in the stash. Keeps without refridgeration, and tastes like real food. Almost. __________________ - Brian Last edited by 86tuning : 11-30-2007 at 05:09 PM.

11-30-2007, 06:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
spindleshanks Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 621	The Brigade Quartermaster catalog features some serious survival food, like MilSpec MREs (Meal Ready to Eat) which feature everything, including heating elements and dessert and coffee. Check out http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=11752&M5COPY%2Ectx=7190&M5%2Ectx=3 018&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Food%20%2D%20MRE%27s%20Ready%2 0To%20Eat%2C%20Compact%20Survival%20Rations&level3 %2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=MRE&backto=%2Fagc atalog%2Fresults%2Etam They also sell emergency ration bars that will keep you alive stranded at sea. It's a bar with all the vitamins, minerals and protein to replace food in extreme situations. http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=16311&M5COPY%2Ectx=20204&M5%2Ectx= 20204&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Food%20%2D%20MRE%27s%20Ready %20To%20Eat%2C%20Compact%20Survival%20Rations&leve l3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=bar&backto=%2Fa gcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam Maybe too extreme. They also sell water rations, with a 50 year lifespan, in little pouches. Cool stuff to check out. __________________ '03 beauty of a white Tacoma, check it out: http://www.yotatech.com/f83/spindles.../#post50606613 "The fingers you have used to dial this number are too fat. For information on how you can obtain your own personal dialing wand, please mash your palm against the keypad now."

12-01-2007, 12:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 6,818	You can last a LONG time without food. Use the space for water. Without it, you are a goner in no time. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

12-17-2007, 01:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
Squeebs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 196	My list: Beef Jerky Dried Bananas Dried Apples Trail Mix 24 case of water bottles, and some crystal light packets and cigarettes. Because I hate stress. __________________ 1992 Pickup, extended cab, 3.slow K&N Intake Rancho's Next few checks/tax return: Procomp steelies WabFab IFS and rear lift

01-14-2008, 06:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
Brenjen Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Searcy, Arkansas Posts: 1,191	Ramen (or any cup o soup) lasts a long time, so what if the noodles get stale a little, seal them & they'll last longer. Put a jar of dry roasted peanuts in there & some powdered soup mixes; I just bought a pack of broccoli & cheese soup mix at Walmart for a couple bucks that makes nearly a gallon of soup & is about the size of a peanut butter sandwich when seperated into single portions in ziploc bags. Dried beans will feed you a long time & keep for a long time as well. Basically anything an ultra-light backpacker would take will suit the needs of a survival pack. I also agree with the above poster who says water is a much more urgent need. I have the Katadyn hiker pro & it has served me very well; in fact it continues to filter my water on my hiking trips to this day (well as of last week it was still working after three years,no reason to think it has stopped lol) I also have an MSR MIOX pen for extra security. __________________ '95 4Runner 3.0 Automatic bone stock; it's becoming a project slowly but surely, one part at a time "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”

01-18-2008, 02:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
Camus Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 89	I usually just keep corn nuts original (lack the preservatives, MSG and the other junk that's in the flavored ones) and peanuts. Both are pretty light and keep a few months, they have some salt, and don't really care how hot it gets But, like the posters above, I always keep plenty of water, usually 4-6 gallons in my truck and I usually carry about 2 gallons for a weekend backpacking trip. Obviously, this is much more necessary in the summer/desert, but I ran out of water dragging a buck down Laguna Mt. this last season (didn't bring enough, since it was cold and overcast didn't worry about it) and after several hours with a lot of exertion, I wasn't yet in an emergency or anything, but if I hadn't stumbled across some mountain bikers, I might have just had to leave the buck and hike out. As for the ' hits the fan' I'd love to keep my girlfriend's 20 gauge single barrel in my truck as a sort of rugged survival piece, but the risk of the fascists at University of California finding it in my truck and assuming I was planning some kind of rampage with it makes it not worth it. __________________ '93 Pickup 22re 5spd 4WD 31"x10.5" A/Ts; Optima Red Top; Downey Header (too loud); K&N Intake (PITA); IFS Truss

01-22-2008, 07:28 AM	#14 (permalink)
98runner210 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 462	I agree with the concentrate on water more than food for an emergency situation. You can a lot longer without food then you can without water. I drove up north by myslef and was expecting major snow storms. I had bottled water under the seats, sardines, dried fruit, extra blankets, cellphone charger, flares etc etc. __________________ '98 4Runner Limited White w/ silver flares

01-22-2008, 08:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
Belize Off Road Team Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Corozal Town, Belize Posts: 2,378	one bad thing with carrying food (any kind) is it will attract insects. even in a properly sealed container (i found out the hard way). Water would probably be a more useful item cause you need more water than food to survive. a little bit of food never hurt, but water is vital for survival. __________________ -Phyl 1991 Hilux Surf SSR-G Petrol 3.0L V6 193,000kms l 3.4L V6 264,000kms to be rebuilt then installed! l Rancho RS5000 l 31"x10.50"xR15 Pro Comp Xterrain l K&N Drop in filter l PP 1" Lift Coil Springs l TRD shift knob l Lv. 3 First Aid Kit l White Gauges & Temp Controls l LED conversion l 80/100W Hella H4 l Hella Black Magic l 1st Gen Roll Bar Mod l FT/RR Diff. Breathers l Smittybilt XRC8 Winch l TOYOTA TOUR 2008 トヨタ\|NEVER QUIT

01-22-2008, 09:15 AM	#18 (permalink)
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