6.2 gm

eich75 · 01-22-2009, 06:04 PM

i heard somewhere that the 6.2 gm deisel is about the same size as a 350... well that got me thinkin, if i could fit a 350 in my truck, why couldnt i fit that? so i was just wondering if that was true or not... it prob weigh a ton and not be practical, but it would kick butt

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kenbo53 · 01-28-2009, 02:06 AM

never seen one outside of a truck but i would say ited be quite a bit bigger and to drop one in a toyota would take an ungodly amount of money time and fabrication skills

RevNL · 01-28-2009, 09:54 AM

First, the rated power isn't all that much: 143 hp @ 3,600 rpm / 257 ft-lbs.

(A L98 TPI V8 has 245 hp / 345 ft-lbs @ 3,300 rpm. Smaller, lighter, more low end torque. Gasoline, though.)

If memory serves, they're based on the Oldsmobile V8, not the Chevy. So it's bigger. Not that much bigger, though. The Olds and Pontiac blocks were physically small considering up to 455 ci displacement. I'd like to know if it'll fit a Toyota, but the Chevy V8 is such a tight fit already, I have my doubts.

Also, being based on a gas V8, it's not the most reliable diesel.

Swaps I'd like to see:

Cummins 4BT
Pontiac 455
Whatever is in those Isuzu NPR diesel box trucks
Hybrid engine/motor/batteries from a Prius
Electric motor

okie81 · 01-28-2009, 10:22 AM

It has the same engine mounts and bellhousing pattern, but it's physically a little larger and 1 liter = approx 61 cubic inches, So 6.2L = 378 cid

22mr2 · 01-28-2009, 11:58 AM

6.2 was its own design and although it still had lower end issues, it was way way better than the 350 diesel in early 80s caprices and oldsmobiles. 6.2 s are tough to find alive, gm no longer carries them and from what I remember the 6.5 is the direct replacement. I dont think it would be a big issue with cramming one under the hood, but all the other stuff, especially trying to get a big enough radiator to fit might suck up more space than u have. I think this swap has been done in land cruisers b4.

Blizzard · 01-28-2009, 02:35 PM

Don't get me wrong but... The american diesels are very poor... 6.2 liters for only 143HP? In Europe with so much liters a diesel would have like 500HP!

David

gary96360 · 01-28-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blizzard

Don't get me wrong but... The american diesels are very poor... 6.2 liters for only 143HP? In Europe with so much liters a diesel would have like 500HP!

David

actually american diesels are way better now.the 6.2 is like a early- late 80's engine. i used to drive an 02 ram 3500 with a cummins 5.9. it had about 245 hp and 550 lbs torque. but they can be upgraded to 500 hp so easily, the cummins 12 valve especially. now the power of diesels is 350 hp and close to 700lbs torque. back in 80's diesels were garbage.

Diesel_Freak · 02-10-2009, 03:54 PM

teh GM6.2, like pretty much everything Gm makes was/is a garbage motor. We had one in our sanding truck when I worked at Timberline and trying to get a loaded truck up to the lodge from the ODOT lot on 26 was an all day affair. It was based off of a gas V8 and was never meant to be a diesel motor.

The 6.5 was a replacement adn it was a better motor and even had a Turbo on it at one point, but it was still nothing like the new breed of DI diesels or even old Cummins motors of the last 15 years.

As far as the "euro" diesel's and how hot they all are... yeah that's what DI and turbo's do, not all of these motors were quite the screamers they are now years ago. Lest we all forget the Merc and Volvo diesel's of the past that pretty much ruined Americas perception of what Diesel's can do.

In terms of A diesel swap... there are SO many better options to fit in our trucks. most of wich came from mother Toyota in other parts of the world. Personaly I feel it's insulting to put GM garbage in a Toyota, that goes for all of their motors.

RevNL · 02-11-2009, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel_Freak

it's insulting to put GM garbage in a Toyota

Unzie22 · 03-04-2009, 10:24 PM

To the GM "garbage" comment, boo hiss. This is a Toyota forum yes, but lets keep in mind GM and Toyota represent different vehicles for different people for different uses. The diesels you are all talking about were built for towing purposes, and yes they have come a long way since the 80's, and they are used for towing vehicles etc.
The European diesels the other fella was talking about do put out a lot of power and get GREAT mileage (ex. VW 2.0 TDI etc). However, the diesels being put out by the American automakers are able to be tuned to get great mileage while maintaining high power input.

Basically lets try to keep comparing apples to apples here ya'll, otherwise good guys start to exchange ill words, and don't we all just want to get along and talk about badass cars?
To purpose a diesel swap on a Toyota, in my opinion, is an amusing thought at the most. Yes, more low end power and big boy exhaust note is appealing, but the time and money not to mention the heartache fab-ing up parts to make this swap actually WORK far outweighs the benefits of attempting such a switch. PUt outrageous amounts of money into a bulletproof motor such as the 3VZ or the 5VZ and make it unique and just as badass.

Diesel_Freak · 03-05-2009, 04:41 PM

I stand behind my statememnt... along with the 2.8 Gas-V6 the 6.2 Diesel may be one of the biggest turds in world engine hostory. And as far as something to swap into a Toyota 4x4... Wow WHY??? Unless it's free and going to improve your truck somehow I see NO merrit in using this engine in a swap.

Cheers

Dave

berm84 · 04-22-2009, 03:43 PM

the 6.2l is a dog and a bomber u dont want it my truck has one

grant526 · 04-22-2009, 04:20 PM

I've seen some swaps using a Mercedes 5 cylinder diesel that look interesting. I've also seen a VW swapped in. I believe it was Flash that did a GREAT job on and write up about swapping in the VW.

ozziesironmanoffroad · 04-22-2009, 04:25 PM

drop in the cummins turbo they have in the new dodge ram 3500s. now THATS a diesel.

seanmearse · 04-22-2009, 05:09 PM

if the 6.2 diesel sucks, why did it succesfully carry my ass around for three years in the military? i was a 63B10, which is a light wheel diesel mechanic, also H8, recovery specialist. Now, i am not saying i am some diesel guru, but in those three great years of my life, i never once had to change out anything but batteries, starters, and generators. granted its not the most powerful engine, but it got s**t done.

RevNL · 04-23-2009, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozziesironmanoffroad

drop in the cummins turbo they have in the new dodge ram 3500s. now THATS a diesel.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=760359

For my next project, I want to build a late model 4-door Dodge shortbed on a 1-ton 4x4 chassis with a Detroit 6V53T 2-stroke diesel. Now that's a diesel!!

This month's Road and Track has a review of the new BMW 335d diesel. 0-60 in 5.3 seconds, 35mpg. That'd be the swap for a Toyota pickup.

grant526 · 04-23-2009, 01:16 PM

That BMW swap would cost WAY more than the Yota you'd be putting it in!! lol

But yes, this could be an interesting swap. Just don't let BMW in conjunction with Car&Driver tune it for you. I saw them race 2 of these at the NASA 25 Hours of Thunderhill a couple years back. The blew the 1st motor in the "tuned" of the two cars within the 1st 4 hours. . . Go figure!

farmboy191 · 09-02-2009, 09:11 PM

sorry if im sounding like a smart ass but then new duramax diesel motor for the half ton trucks is a 4.5l

LMK

General Motors plans a 4.5 litre 72-degree[10] V8 for light-duty applications which will be built at GM's powertrain facility in Tonawanda, New York after 2009. Designed to fit in the same space as a Chevrolet Small-Block engine, it is expected to produce over 310 bhp (231.2 kW) and 520 lb·ft (705 N·m) of torque. It added urea injection, 29,000-psi (2,000 bar) piezo-electric common-rail fuel system over previous Duramax architecture.[11]

It would initially be targeted for the Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra and Hummer H2.[12] Unlike previous Duramax engines, the 4.5 liter will be designed and built entirely by GM, without assistance from Isuzu.[13]

As of March 2009, a GM spokesperson stated the engine project has been put on an "indefinite hold" due to current economic conditions.[14]

Buhundred · 09-03-2009, 01:42 PM

Old thread but I'd would drop in a Cummins 4BT.

ZGjethro · 09-03-2009, 06:40 PM

I travelled Tanzania in 2001 and saw a 4runner called the SSR. It was a turbo diesel and I wished it was imported here. Anyone know about it?

Buhundred · 09-03-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZGjethro

I travelled Tanzania in 2001 and saw a 4runner called the SSR. It was a turbo diesel and I wished it was imported here. Anyone know about it?

They don't call it a 4Runner there, they call it the Hilux Surf. Search on it.

01-28-2009, 02:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
kenbo53 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: brookville pa Posts: 41	never seen one outside of a truck but i would say ited be quite a bit bigger and to drop one in a toyota would take an ungodly amount of money time and fabrication skills __________________ 93 pu v6 5speed rear lockright 31mts 87 xtracab mudtruck welded rear 31x12.5 boggers 80 pu for parts pm me if ur looking for glass or interior parts 71 gmc 3/4 ton 05 gmc canyon

01-28-2009, 09:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
RevNL Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 76	First, the rated power isn't all that much: 143 hp @ 3,600 rpm / 257 ft-lbs. (A L98 TPI V8 has 245 hp / 345 ft-lbs @ 3,300 rpm. Smaller, lighter, more low end torque. Gasoline, though.) If memory serves, they're based on the Oldsmobile V8, not the Chevy. So it's bigger. Not that much bigger, though. The Olds and Pontiac blocks were physically small considering up to 455 ci displacement. I'd like to know if it'll fit a Toyota, but the Chevy V8 is such a tight fit already, I have my doubts. Also, being based on a gas V8, it's not the most reliable diesel. Swaps I'd like to see: Cummins 4BT Pontiac 455 Whatever is in those Isuzu NPR diesel box trucks Hybrid engine/motor/batteries from a Prius Electric motor __________________ 1993 Toyota Xtra-Cab - Mods In Process: 5.7L TPI V8, 4L60, NP208, Dana 44 F, Ford 9" R, Lift

01-28-2009, 10:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
okie81 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Nor, CAL Posts: 1,158	It has the same engine mounts and bellhousing pattern, but it's physically a little larger and 1 liter = approx 61 cubic inches, So 6.2L = 378 cid __________________ 2001 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4-Dub TRD supercharger, Thorley Headers, URD 7th, Toytec Coilovers, OME 890's, baseball card in spokes

01-28-2009, 11:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
22mr2 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: new baltimore ny Posts: 181	6.2 was its own design and although it still had lower end issues, it was way way better than the 350 diesel in early 80s caprices and oldsmobiles. 6.2 s are tough to find alive, gm no longer carries them and from what I remember the 6.5 is the direct replacement. I dont think it would be a big issue with cramming one under the hood, but all the other stuff, especially trying to get a big enough radiator to fit might suck up more space than u have. I think this swap has been done in land cruisers b4. __________________ 1994 toyota pickup 22re dogomatic 1993 toyota pickup 2wd 22re 1998 chevy blazer 1985 and 91 toyota mr2 2001 saturn

01-28-2009, 02:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
Blizzard Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Barcelona (Spain) Posts: 912	Don't get me wrong but... The american diesels are very poor... 6.2 liters for only 143HP? In Europe with so much liters a diesel would have like 500HP! David __________________ '94 Toyota 4Runner 3.0 Turbo Diesel Intercooler Auto – Trail-Gear 4'' SAS front, Trail-Gear 5'' rear leaves swap, 35's, FR&RR E-Lockers and too many things more to write...

02-10-2009, 03:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
Diesel_Freak Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: PDX, Oregon Posts: 420	teh GM6.2, like pretty much everything Gm makes was/is a garbage motor. We had one in our sanding truck when I worked at Timberline and trying to get a loaded truck up to the lodge from the ODOT lot on 26 was an all day affair. It was based off of a gas V8 and was never meant to be a diesel motor. The 6.5 was a replacement adn it was a better motor and even had a Turbo on it at one point, but it was still nothing like the new breed of DI diesels or even old Cummins motors of the last 15 years. As far as the "euro" diesel's and how hot they all are... yeah that's what DI and turbo's do, not all of these motors were quite the screamers they are now years ago. Lest we all forget the Merc and Volvo diesel's of the past that pretty much ruined Americas perception of what Diesel's can do. In terms of A diesel swap... there are SO many better options to fit in our trucks. most of wich came from mother Toyota in other parts of the world. Personaly I feel it's insulting to put GM garbage in a Toyota, that goes for all of their motors. __________________ Project 4Rescue: 89 Gen1 22RE 5spd 4Runner...Marlin DOM rear bumper, OME rear/ BJ spacer front, OME shocks all around. Lucas Pro series HD clutch: DONE!!! BRAND SPANKIN NEW 22RE DONE!!!!! Firefighters: Cause somebody's got to step up and do it... RIP: Charles Edward DelaForest: Born Sept 78 - Murdered May 05 I miss you Brother

03-04-2009, 10:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
Unzie22 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 22	To the GM "garbage" comment, boo hiss. This is a Toyota forum yes, but lets keep in mind GM and Toyota represent different vehicles for different people for different uses. The diesels you are all talking about were built for towing purposes, and yes they have come a long way since the 80's, and they are used for towing vehicles etc. The European diesels the other fella was talking about do put out a lot of power and get GREAT mileage (ex. VW 2.0 TDI etc). However, the diesels being put out by the American automakers are able to be tuned to get great mileage while maintaining high power input. Basically lets try to keep comparing apples to apples here ya'll, otherwise good guys start to exchange ill words, and don't we all just want to get along and talk about badass cars? To purpose a diesel swap on a Toyota, in my opinion, is an amusing thought at the most. Yes, more low end power and big boy exhaust note is appealing, but the time and money not to mention the heartache fab-ing up parts to make this swap actually WORK far outweighs the benefits of attempting such a switch. PUt outrageous amounts of money into a bulletproof motor such as the 3VZ or the 5VZ and make it unique and just as badass.

03-05-2009, 04:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
Diesel_Freak Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: PDX, Oregon Posts: 420	I stand behind my statememnt... along with the 2.8 Gas-V6 the 6.2 Diesel may be one of the biggest turds in world engine hostory. And as far as something to swap into a Toyota 4x4... Wow WHY??? Unless it's free and going to improve your truck somehow I see NO merrit in using this engine in a swap. Cheers Dave __________________ Project 4Rescue: 89 Gen1 22RE 5spd 4Runner...Marlin DOM rear bumper, OME rear/ BJ spacer front, OME shocks all around. Lucas Pro series HD clutch: DONE!!! BRAND SPANKIN NEW 22RE DONE!!!!! Firefighters: Cause somebody's got to step up and do it... RIP: Charles Edward DelaForest: Born Sept 78 - Murdered May 05 I miss you Brother

04-22-2009, 03:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
berm84 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: nj Posts: 50	the 6.2l is a dog and a bomber u dont want it my truck has one

04-22-2009, 04:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
grant526 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sacramento area, Ca Posts: 348	I've seen some swaps using a Mercedes 5 cylinder diesel that look interesting. I've also seen a VW swapped in. I believe it was Flash that did a GREAT job on and write up about swapping in the VW. __________________ '85 Standard Cab 4.5" HD SuperLift Custom Winch bumper 33x12.50 Mud Rovers Lincoln Locked in the rear; running 5.29s DD's: '87 XJ and '91 Suzuki DR650s Wheel Responsibly, Don't screw it up for the rest of Us. . . ---------------------------------------------------- "Obama is an acronym. OBAMA = One Big Ass Mistake, America" - Thanks for the Quote Hayes

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ozziesironmanoffroad Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Spring Valley, CA Posts: 5,676	drop in the cummins turbo they have in the new dodge ram 3500s. now THATS a diesel. __________________ The 22r series engines are made from the fires of hell, and will fight tooth and nail to not be sent back. 1988 Toyota P/U 4x4 22re, 1200 miles on the rebuild engine builder .268 cam pioneer CD deck 31x10.50x15 BFG A/T BAJA 100W lights on prerunner bumper KC Daylighters 100W rancho rs5000 MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? my trucks official buildup thread

04-22-2009, 05:09 PM	#15 (permalink)
seanmearse Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ridgecrest, Ca Posts: 1,121	if the 6.2 diesel sucks, why did it succesfully carry my ass around for three years in the military? i was a 63B10, which is a light wheel diesel mechanic, also H8, recovery specialist. Now, i am not saying i am some diesel guru, but in those three great years of my life, i never once had to change out anything but batteries, starters, and generators. granted its not the most powerful engine, but it got s**t done.

04-23-2009, 01:16 PM	#17 (permalink)
grant526 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sacramento area, Ca Posts: 348	That BMW swap would cost WAY more than the Yota you'd be putting it in!! lol But yes, this could be an interesting swap. Just don't let BMW in conjunction with Car&Driver tune it for you. I saw them race 2 of these at the NASA 25 Hours of Thunderhill a couple years back. The blew the 1st motor in the "tuned" of the two cars within the 1st 4 hours. . . Go figure! __________________ '85 Standard Cab 4.5" HD SuperLift Custom Winch bumper 33x12.50 Mud Rovers Lincoln Locked in the rear; running 5.29s DD's: '87 XJ and '91 Suzuki DR650s Wheel Responsibly, Don't screw it up for the rest of Us. . . ---------------------------------------------------- "Obama is an acronym. OBAMA = One Big Ass Mistake, America" - Thanks for the Quote Hayes

09-02-2009, 09:11 PM	#18 (permalink)
farmboy191 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 27	sorry if im sounding like a smart ass but then new duramax diesel motor for the half ton trucks is a 4.5l LMK General Motors plans a 4.5 litre 72-degree[10] V8 for light-duty applications which will be built at GM's powertrain facility in Tonawanda, New York after 2009. Designed to fit in the same space as a Chevrolet Small-Block engine, it is expected to produce over 310 bhp (231.2 kW) and 520 lb·ft (705 N·m) of torque. It added urea injection, 29,000-psi (2,000 bar) piezo-electric common-rail fuel system over previous Duramax architecture.[11] It would initially be targeted for the Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra and Hummer H2.[12] Unlike previous Duramax engines, the 4.5 liter will be designed and built entirely by GM, without assistance from Isuzu.[13] As of March 2009, a GM spokesperson stated the engine project has been put on an "indefinite hold" due to current economic conditions.[14]

09-03-2009, 06:40 PM	#20 (permalink)
ZGjethro Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3	I travelled Tanzania in 2001 and saw a 4runner called the SSR. It was a turbo diesel and I wished it was imported here. Anyone know about it?

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