Clearancing SFA for High Pinion 3rd member

swapped89 · 06-19-2009, 09:24 PM

So i know i need to clearance my axle housing to fit my new high pinion third into it. I just wanna read someones elses write up before i go grinding away. Yes i searched everywhere marlin site TG site here google ZUK just cant find pics or anything on someones axle housing clearance job.

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4Crawler · 06-19-2009, 09:39 PM

No problem putting one in my '85 front axle. At the most you may need to slightly enlarge (grind) the top and bottom notches in the housing to allow the gear teeth to fit through. Some gear ratios and brands have slightly taller teeth and need a little extra room.

swapped89 · 06-19-2009, 10:00 PM

it needs to be ground down also around the bearing caps. they hit before they are even half way in. the gears are huge compared to the notches in the housing. They are 529 yukons and it has an ARB.

4Crawler · 06-19-2009, 10:50 PM

Mine is factory 4.88 gears and an ARB. I had already ground out the notches for the 5.29 gears I originally ran in a low pinion 3rd.

swapped89 · 06-19-2009, 11:53 PM

i see. the way TG routed the copper line i had to clearance for it also. it was a pita grinding and checking and grinding and checking... etc....these 3rds are heavy, and those lines are fragile. Nevr the less. i m pretty sure its ready. im gonna wait for mornig to install it cause i really wanna be careful so i dont pinch the copper line.

4Crawler · 06-20-2009, 09:11 AM

Ah, I had Marlin set up my ARB and when I first saw the way the copper line was run, I wondered why it was bent in all those strange ways. But when I went to install the 3rd, that is when it made sense. It fit in like a glove, not a single issue.

swapped89 · 06-20-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Crawler

Ah, I had Marlin set up my ARB and when I first saw the way the copper line was run, I wondered why it was bent in all those strange ways. But when I went to install the 3rd, that is when it made sense. It fit in like a glove, not a single issue.

well if i ever get one for the rear i'll spend the extra 100$ and order it from marlin instead of TG. the routing on the copper is ridiculous beyond close to the axle housing, it touches everywhere!

swapped89 · 06-23-2009, 02:57 PM

could'nt find what i was lookin for so i just went at it by myself. here are some pics
I had to grind the housing on the sides to clearance for the large bearing caps on both sides. not too much but a good 1/8th inch or so. Also had to widen the ring gear channel about 1/2 to 3/4inch wider. And a lil grinding on the top right where the copper air tube was routed around the bearing caps.
You can see where the housing is not round anymore between the 3 studs. this is so the bearing caps would fit.

ring gear channel you have to do the same on top and bottom

Lil bit of grinding for the copper line/ between the two studs

Finally after grinding and checking over and over i got it ti fit just right.

BLKNBLU · 06-23-2009, 10:25 PM

I had the same problem with mine (reg diff not HP) and ended up tweaking the copper line. I didn't have to grind mine anywhere near what you did, just at the notches for the ring gear. Discussion here at post #155:
http://www.yotatech.com/f66/blknblu-...72/index7.html

When ZUK and I looked it over we spent a lot of time test fitting it into a housing he had on premesis. He also mentioned that he thought the copper routing was new since the new bearing seal design from ARB. In the end I was just probably careless when I installed the diff in the first place as I didn't have to grind any additional material off the housing to get it in.

neoworm0 · 06-23-2009, 10:46 PM

Hmmmm, hi-pin with yukon 4.88's and an ARB. 1981 housing. No grinding. Just went right in?

swapped89 · 06-23-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BLKNBLU

I didn't have to grind mine anywhere near what you did,

thats probably because yours was not a High Pinion. the High Pinion diffs are from landcruisers hence they are a lil different than the runners and trucks, 3rd members.

4Crawler · 06-24-2009, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLKNBLU

I had the same problem with mine (reg diff not HP) and ended up tweaking the copper line. I didn't have to grind mine anywhere near what you did, just at the notches for the ring gear. Discussion here at post #155:
http://www.yotatech.com/f66/blknblu-...72/index7.html

When ZUK and I looked it over we spent a lot of time test fitting it into a housing he had on premesis. He also mentioned that he thought the copper routing was new since the new bearing seal design from ARB. In the end I was just probably careless when I installed the diff in the first place as I didn't have to grind any additional material off the housing to get it in.

My ARB is the older design (installed around 2000 or so), so maybe that explains the lack of problems installing it.

neoworm0 · 06-24-2009, 02:47 PM

I have the newer design ARB in mine and it still went in without modifying the housing. It was tight but a bit of patience and in it went.

swapped89 · 06-24-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by neoworm0

I have the newer design ARB in mine and it still went in without modifying the housing. It was tight but a bit of patience and in it went.

Is it hi-pinion though? thats what im talkin about

neoworm0 · 06-24-2009, 04:30 PM

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Hmmmm, hi-pin with yukon 4.88's and an ARB. 1981 housing. No grinding. Just went right in?

Here, I highlighted it for you this time

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Blizzard · 06-30-2009, 02:40 PM

At first I run a 4.88 OEM HP Diff from a 70 Series Land Cruiser on my front axle. Didn't have to clearance anything. It's exactly the same than the ones found on open diff 80 Series LC.

Now I've a fron HP E-Locker with the same 4.88 gears and only had to clearance the locker fork zone like on the rear when retrofitting a regular E-Locker and change a bolt of the locker motor.

Will see what happens when I put 5.29's (Made the auto conversion later).

David

06-19-2009, 09:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,832	No problem putting one in my '85 front axle. At the most you may need to slightly enlarge (grind) the top and bottom notches in the housing to allow the gear teeth to fit through. Some gear ratios and brands have slightly taller teeth and need a little extra room. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

06-19-2009, 10:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
swapped89 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: B-TOWN, Oregon Posts: 564	it needs to be ground down also around the bearing caps. they hit before they are even half way in. the gears are huge compared to the notches in the housing. They are 529 yukons and it has an ARB. __________________ SAS 89,trussed, bobbed, Trail Gear front & rear 5''. 3.0 V6 cold air k&N, 40 ser. flowmaster, 5speed, HP ARB font diff, Marlin Crawler inner's and marfields. 5.29 yukons, Detroit rear, 35''x13.5 toyo's. Steadily growing body damage. Two way alarm, TG rock defense bumper, Warn 8000, TG crossmember,geard rive t-case w/marlin XD 4.7s. TG Sliders, some day dual cases and a cage

06-19-2009, 10:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,832	Mine is factory 4.88 gears and an ARB. I had already ground out the notches for the 5.29 gears I originally ran in a low pinion 3rd. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

06-19-2009, 11:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
swapped89 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: B-TOWN, Oregon Posts: 564	i see. the way TG routed the copper line i had to clearance for it also. it was a pita grinding and checking and grinding and checking... etc....these 3rds are heavy, and those lines are fragile. Nevr the less. i m pretty sure its ready. im gonna wait for mornig to install it cause i really wanna be careful so i dont pinch the copper line. __________________ SAS 89,trussed, bobbed, Trail Gear front & rear 5''. 3.0 V6 cold air k&N, 40 ser. flowmaster, 5speed, HP ARB font diff, Marlin Crawler inner's and marfields. 5.29 yukons, Detroit rear, 35''x13.5 toyo's. Steadily growing body damage. Two way alarm, TG rock defense bumper, Warn 8000, TG crossmember,geard rive t-case w/marlin XD 4.7s. TG Sliders, some day dual cases and a cage

06-20-2009, 09:11 AM	#6 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,832	Ah, I had Marlin set up my ARB and when I first saw the way the copper line was run, I wondered why it was bent in all those strange ways. But when I went to install the 3rd, that is when it made sense. It fit in like a glove, not a single issue. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

06-23-2009, 02:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
swapped89 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: B-TOWN, Oregon Posts: 564	could'nt find what i was lookin for so i just went at it by myself. here are some pics I had to grind the housing on the sides to clearance for the large bearing caps on both sides. not too much but a good 1/8th inch or so. Also had to widen the ring gear channel about 1/2 to 3/4inch wider. And a lil grinding on the top right where the copper air tube was routed around the bearing caps. You can see where the housing is not round anymore between the 3 studs. this is so the bearing caps would fit. ring gear channel you have to do the same on top and bottom Lil bit of grinding for the copper line/ between the two studs Finally after grinding and checking over and over i got it ti fit just right. __________________ SAS 89,trussed, bobbed, Trail Gear front & rear 5''. 3.0 V6 cold air k&N, 40 ser. flowmaster, 5speed, HP ARB font diff, Marlin Crawler inner's and marfields. 5.29 yukons, Detroit rear, 35''x13.5 toyo's. Steadily growing body damage. Two way alarm, TG rock defense bumper, Warn 8000, TG crossmember,geard rive t-case w/marlin XD 4.7s. TG Sliders, some day dual cases and a cage

06-23-2009, 10:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
BLKNBLU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 1,667	I had the same problem with mine (reg diff not HP) and ended up tweaking the copper line. I didn't have to grind mine anywhere near what you did, just at the notches for the ring gear. Discussion here at post #155: http://www.yotatech.com/f66/blknblu-...72/index7.html When ZUK and I looked it over we spent a lot of time test fitting it into a housing he had on premesis. He also mentioned that he thought the copper routing was new since the new bearing seal design from ARB. In the end I was just probably careless when I installed the diff in the first place as I didn't have to grind any additional material off the housing to get it in. __________________ 86 4Runner, custom Sonoran Steel rear bumper, 4Crawler 1" body lift, rock sliders from Richard Stubbs, rear Lockright, SAS w/ARB My build thread. http://www.yotatech.com/f66/blknblu-s-sac-155872/

06-23-2009, 10:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
neoworm0 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North Vancouver, BC Posts: 604	Hmmmm, hi-pin with yukon 4.88's and an ARB. 1981 housing. No grinding. Just went right in? __________________ 1995 Toyota PU SR5. 2000 3.4l V6 and a few other mods. my album: http://www.yotatech.com/album.php?albumid=101 my SAS: http://picasaweb.google.com/areinhol...eat=directlink www.overlandcanada.ca www.alltracwagon.net

06-24-2009, 02:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
neoworm0 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North Vancouver, BC Posts: 604	I have the newer design ARB in mine and it still went in without modifying the housing. It was tight but a bit of patience and in it went. __________________ 1995 Toyota PU SR5. 2000 3.4l V6 and a few other mods. my album: http://www.yotatech.com/album.php?albumid=101 my SAS: http://picasaweb.google.com/areinhol...eat=directlink www.overlandcanada.ca www.alltracwagon.net

06-30-2009, 02:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
Blizzard Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Barcelona (Spain) Posts: 912	At first I run a 4.88 OEM HP Diff from a 70 Series Land Cruiser on my front axle. Didn't have to clearance anything. It's exactly the same than the ones found on open diff 80 Series LC. Now I've a fron HP E-Locker with the same 4.88 gears and only had to clearance the locker fork zone like on the rear when retrofitting a regular E-Locker and change a bolt of the locker motor. Will see what happens when I put 5.29's (Made the auto conversion later). David __________________ '94 Toyota 4Runner 3.0 Turbo Diesel Intercooler Auto – Trail-Gear 4'' SAS front, Trail-Gear 5'' rear leaves swap, 35's, FR&RR E-Lockers and too many things more to write...

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