Locker questions from a noob

xxxtreme22r · 10-22-2009, 07:02 AM

I have several questions regarding lockers. First of all, I live in PA and have to deal with snow every now and then. I have never driven a street vehicle with a locker. Drag strip different story.

Now that I got that out of the way, reading these threads here, I assume I would be looking for a limited slip and not a locker?

I might be looking to re-gear as well. at least up to 4:56 from the stock 4:10. To help turn some 31's or possible 33's in the future. for now its the stocker tires.

My questions are what are my options on a junk yard pull 4:10's and 4:56's limited slip or locker (if they even made them) from an OEM toyota for a 1987 pickup 22r carb pickup.

Also what are the differences in driving in snow with a LSD or Locker in the snow vs with open diff.

Thanks for helping the noob out.

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Trustyrusty · 10-22-2009, 07:52 AM

Buy an Aussie Locker... Best damn locker made. I'll fist fight anyone who disagree's..

Anyways, if you plan on running 33's or larger, you'll want 5.29 R&P.. 33's to 31's I'd get 4.88's.. Overgearing a bit doesn't hurt, you will only tach 300 RPM higher on the freeway.

And as far as Open Vs. Locked in the winter, just watch the throttle and don't take corners too fast, and if you start slidin, just control it, feather the throttle and slide around that corner like you meant to.

xxxtreme22r · 10-22-2009, 07:59 AM

only 31-33, No plans for a lift. Mild wheeling/mud running. I'm not a crawler, I'm more of a desert truck guy and like to keep things a little lower even though I am pretty certain most desert trucks run 35's or something like that.

MaK92-4RnR · 10-22-2009, 08:19 AM

I've taken my 4runner in the snow... open diff, 4.10s and 31s. it performed just fine. but then again... im in california, and where I live it doesn't snow. only when I go boarding up north. I think you'll be fine as long as you aren't driving like a maniac.

4Crawler · 10-22-2009, 09:44 AM

You could get a limited slip out of a Supra:
- http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/supra_lsd/

I like limited slips in the snow, or get a selectable locker like a e-locker out of a newer 4Runner/Tacoma or an ARB.

swaycleveland · 10-22-2009, 09:45 AM

you can get your 456 or 488 gears out of a junkyard 4runner ( g144 is the code for 488)
look around you find all the gear code info
as for lockers or limited slip
you have a couple options for limtes slip
true trac makes one that works great
you can also put in a limited slip from a supra yr 86 to 92 ( thats what i have works great in ohio winters )
as for locker or limited slip in winter its up to you
but honestly i think your on the right track around PA and OH the lsd works great
a locker would be nice but they do tend to get a little more unstable in or weather and road conditions.
obviously they are the ultimate in traction but i dont think they will give you what you want

2DoorRunner · 10-22-2009, 09:48 AM

If i remember correctly aussie lockers dont do to well in the snow. They make it quite a bit easier to spin out. I would say go with a selectable locker, i know the ARB air locker is like the best one out there.

Although, the aussie locker is cheap and east to install.

-Jack

EDIT: DAMN! Swaycleveland beat me to it.

xxxtreme22r · 10-22-2009, 10:12 AM

ok what years would i be looking for for the e-locker? from what I am understanding the e-locker is similar to arb's air locker only using 12V switch?, what all would i need just the locker or is there a wiring harnes I would need as well ????? installed in front and rear?

4Crawler · 10-22-2009, 10:19 AM

E-locker install:
- http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/electric_locker/

Various years, need to find a vehicle that had one installed as an option.

brian2sun · 10-22-2009, 01:05 PM

You can find lots of 4.10 gears in junkyards, but 4.56s are harder to find, and 4.88s are almost non-existent. I would just buy new gears and do the locker all at the same time. I think aussies (or any kind of lunchbox style lockers) aren't near as good in snow as an elocker or an ARB. I drive a lot in snow and have had an aussie in the past and have an ARB now, and the ARB wins hands down. Elocker is just as good as ARB too (maybe better).

MaK92-4RnR · 10-22-2009, 01:20 PM

I agree with Brian. 4.88s are nearly non-existent. You're better off just building up your own and dropping a locker in there

I wont be going cheap with mine. ARB is hands down being put in mine.

xxxtreme22r · 10-22-2009, 01:41 PM

wow, didnt think there was so many opinions, no wonder why i am a little confused. I am thinking e-locker, however I dont have welding skills. Are those axle housings transferable from the 4runners to the 87 pickups?

4Crawler · 10-22-2009, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxtreme22r

wow, didnt think there was so many opinions, no wonder why i am a little confused. I am thinking e-locker, however I dont have welding skills. Are those axle housings transferable from the 4runners to the 87 pickups?

Lots more work, you need to cut off all the coil spring hardware then weld on spring perches, etc. Plus the width on the newer axles is wider.

camo31"10.50" · 10-22-2009, 02:14 PM

get a tacoma axle..if you wanna swap the whole axle..since they are leaf sprung!

and so what if they're wider..you can always run wheel spacers up front

lmao

kornhuskerwizard · 10-22-2009, 06:25 PM

This is a great thread!! How hard are the LSD's to find, and whats the going $$$??

10-22-2009, 07:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
Trustyrusty Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: (Rednecks Inbreed In) Kansas Posts: 1,349	Buy an Aussie Locker... Best damn locker made. I'll fist fight anyone who disagree's.. Anyways, if you plan on running 33's or larger, you'll want 5.29 R&P.. 33's to 31's I'd get 4.88's.. Overgearing a bit doesn't hurt, you will only tach 300 RPM higher on the freeway. And as far as Open Vs. Locked in the winter, just watch the throttle and don't take corners too fast, and if you start slidin, just control it, feather the throttle and slide around that corner like you meant to. __________________ 1995.5 Tacoma 4X4 3.4-Jardine Catback, 20% Tint, Cold Air Intake, Skid Plates etc... 1987 Toyota 4Runner 1986 Toyota 4X4-SOLD

10-22-2009, 07:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
xxxtreme22r Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA, USA Posts: 197	only 31-33, No plans for a lift. Mild wheeling/mud running. I'm not a crawler, I'm more of a desert truck guy and like to keep things a little lower even though I am pretty certain most desert trucks run 35's or something like that. __________________ "There should be no discussion of significant mods until you do the first important one - tighten the nut behind the wheel." 1987 Toyota Pickup 4X4 5sp Manual (flatbed) 22R Carb 1992 BMW 535i Auto(E34) 1994 Chevy Cavalier Wagon Auto (RIP) 1985 Ford Bronco 4X4 Auto (RIP) 1983 Ford Bronco II 4X4 Auto (RIP) 2001 Hyundai Elantra 5sp Manual (14.3@95MPH 1/4mi) (RIP) 1996 Pontiac Grand Am SE Auto (RIP) 1982 Chevy C20 Pickup 2WD Auto (RIP) 1977 Toyota Celica GT 20R EFI Auto (RIP)

10-22-2009, 08:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
MaK92-4RnR Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Roseville, California ( NOR CAL ) Posts: 344	I've taken my 4runner in the snow... open diff, 4.10s and 31s. it performed just fine. but then again... im in california, and where I live it doesn't snow. only when I go boarding up north. I think you'll be fine as long as you aren't driving like a maniac. __________________ 1992 Toyota 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0 V6 5 Speed - Completely stock with 136k Miles. Modifications: Exhaust: Doug thorley headers, magnaflow hi flow cat, borla turbo muffler, 2.25 piping with a 3" tip Stereo: Pioneer Premier Deck, 2 12" Subwoofers, Brand new speakers all around, 1 450w 4 channel amp, 1 1000w 2 channel amp. CB Radio: Cobra 19 DX IV 40-Channel Compact CB Radio

10-22-2009, 09:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,836	You could get a limited slip out of a Supra: - http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/supra_lsd/ I like limited slips in the snow, or get a selectable locker like a e-locker out of a newer 4Runner/Tacoma or an ARB. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

10-22-2009, 09:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
swaycleveland Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: north ridgeville ohio Posts: 382	you can get your 456 or 488 gears out of a junkyard 4runner ( g144 is the code for 488) look around you find all the gear code info as for lockers or limited slip you have a couple options for limtes slip true trac makes one that works great you can also put in a limited slip from a supra yr 86 to 92 ( thats what i have works great in ohio winters ) as for locker or limited slip in winter its up to you but honestly i think your on the right track around PA and OH the lsd works great a locker would be nice but they do tend to get a little more unstable in or weather and road conditions. obviously they are the ultimate in traction but i dont think they will give you what you want __________________ 1993 4runner 4x4 3.0 automatic 237k and counting $1600. new cat and muffler factory 488s REAR SUPRA LSD MOD BY ZUK manual lock out upgrade! new moog rear coils! new Paint ! mc rear bumper trail gear sliders 16x7 2001 rims with 285 terra grapplers NO LIFT Taurus e fan mod 1st gen rollbar custom 1/8inch front skid next up .... tank relocation

10-22-2009, 10:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
xxxtreme22r Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA, USA Posts: 197	ok what years would i be looking for for the e-locker? from what I am understanding the e-locker is similar to arb's air locker only using 12V switch?, what all would i need just the locker or is there a wiring harnes I would need as well ????? installed in front and rear? __________________ "There should be no discussion of significant mods until you do the first important one - tighten the nut behind the wheel." 1987 Toyota Pickup 4X4 5sp Manual (flatbed) 22R Carb 1992 BMW 535i Auto(E34) 1994 Chevy Cavalier Wagon Auto (RIP) 1985 Ford Bronco 4X4 Auto (RIP) 1983 Ford Bronco II 4X4 Auto (RIP) 2001 Hyundai Elantra 5sp Manual (14.3@95MPH 1/4mi) (RIP) 1996 Pontiac Grand Am SE Auto (RIP) 1982 Chevy C20 Pickup 2WD Auto (RIP) 1977 Toyota Celica GT 20R EFI Auto (RIP)

10-22-2009, 10:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,836	E-locker install: - http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/electric_locker/ Various years, need to find a vehicle that had one installed as an option. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

10-22-2009, 01:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
brian2sun Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Mtns, CA Posts: 506	You can find lots of 4.10 gears in junkyards, but 4.56s are harder to find, and 4.88s are almost non-existent. I would just buy new gears and do the locker all at the same time. I think aussies (or any kind of lunchbox style lockers) aren't near as good in snow as an elocker or an ARB. I drive a lot in snow and have had an aussie in the past and have an ARB now, and the ARB wins hands down. Elocker is just as good as ARB too (maybe better). __________________ 97 4Runner SR5 3.4L 4x4 305/70R16 Mastercraft M/Ts on black stock 6 spokes 2.5" suspension lift ARB Bullbar ARB rear locker 4.88s Factory wood grain dash My 4th Toyota truck "If guns kill people, then pens write novels."

10-22-2009, 01:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
MaK92-4RnR Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Roseville, California ( NOR CAL ) Posts: 344	I agree with Brian. 4.88s are nearly non-existent. You're better off just building up your own and dropping a locker in there I wont be going cheap with mine. ARB is hands down being put in mine. __________________ 1992 Toyota 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0 V6 5 Speed - Completely stock with 136k Miles. Modifications: Exhaust: Doug thorley headers, magnaflow hi flow cat, borla turbo muffler, 2.25 piping with a 3" tip Stereo: Pioneer Premier Deck, 2 12" Subwoofers, Brand new speakers all around, 1 450w 4 channel amp, 1 1000w 2 channel amp. CB Radio: Cobra 19 DX IV 40-Channel Compact CB Radio

10-22-2009, 01:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
xxxtreme22r Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA, USA Posts: 197	wow, didnt think there was so many opinions, no wonder why i am a little confused. I am thinking e-locker, however I dont have welding skills. Are those axle housings transferable from the 4runners to the 87 pickups? __________________ "There should be no discussion of significant mods until you do the first important one - tighten the nut behind the wheel." 1987 Toyota Pickup 4X4 5sp Manual (flatbed) 22R Carb 1992 BMW 535i Auto(E34) 1994 Chevy Cavalier Wagon Auto (RIP) 1985 Ford Bronco 4X4 Auto (RIP) 1983 Ford Bronco II 4X4 Auto (RIP) 2001 Hyundai Elantra 5sp Manual (14.3@95MPH 1/4mi) (RIP) 1996 Pontiac Grand Am SE Auto (RIP) 1982 Chevy C20 Pickup 2WD Auto (RIP) 1977 Toyota Celica GT 20R EFI Auto (RIP)

10-22-2009, 02:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 2,095	get a tacoma axle..if you wanna swap the whole axle..since they are leaf sprung! and so what if they're wider..you can always run wheel spacers up front lmao __________________ FOR SALE 1986 Ext. Cab 4x4, rebuilt 22R, 5spd, 31x10.50 X-Terrains FOR SALE 1992 SR5 FO RUNNA V6, 5 speed, 4in. trail-master lift, 33x12.50 BFG muds, 4.56 gears!!! and an IMMACULATE interior..yes..you should be jealous "Its still a toyota man.. Dont deprive it of its capabilities.." "If you can read english, Thank a teacher...If you can speak it, Thank a soldier!!" Kelli Ruark-2009

10-22-2009, 06:25 PM	#15 (permalink)
kornhuskerwizard Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: tecumseh nebrasks Posts: 37	This is a great thread!! How hard are the LSD's to find, and whats the going $$$??

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