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08-11-2009, 06:04 PM
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shackle reverse
ok guys im looking for some thoughts on this. i have an 84 xcab that im swaping a dana 44 in the front and am looking for some lift options. right now im kind of thinking of doin a shackle reverse and runnig stock rears in the front and i have chev 63's in the rear. anyone done this? thoughts and opinions welcome anything you guys got would be awesome thanks
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Okay, I have to ask. WHY?
A properly built Toy axle is stronger than a D44 and cheaper to build, and you already have the Toy axle under it. Gears, lockers, cromo shafts, highsteer, etc. All cheaper on the Toyota axle.
You can run 5.29s front and rear with the Toy axle, but will have to run 4.88s or 5.38/5.29. So, I am just curious as to why you would pull the better axle out from under the truck.
A properly built Toy axle is stronger than a D44 and cheaper to build, and you already have the Toy axle under it. Gears, lockers, cromo shafts, highsteer, etc. All cheaper on the Toyota axle.
You can run 5.29s front and rear with the Toy axle, but will have to run 4.88s or 5.38/5.29. So, I am just curious as to why you would pull the better axle out from under the truck.
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Okay, I have to ask. WHY?
A properly built Toy axle is stronger than a D44 and cheaper to build, and you already have the Toy axle under it. Gears, lockers, cromo shafts, highsteer, etc. All cheaper on the Toyota axle.
You can run 5.29s front and rear with the Toy axle, but will have to run 4.88s or 5.38/5.29. So, I am just curious as to why you would pull the better axle out from under the truck.
A properly built Toy axle is stronger than a D44 and cheaper to build, and you already have the Toy axle under it. Gears, lockers, cromo shafts, highsteer, etc. All cheaper on the Toyota axle.
You can run 5.29s front and rear with the Toy axle, but will have to run 4.88s or 5.38/5.29. So, I am just curious as to why you would pull the better axle out from under the truck.
08-12-2009, 07:33 AM
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That is about the only advantage. Disadvantage are poor ride and handling on-road and the low hanging shackle up front likes to get snagged on rocks and push backwards and invert or worse snap the spring, like happened on this Jeep (broken spring was welded together to tow it off the trail):
ok thanks thats really what i was lookin for. i just seen a rig that had it in a magazine and it seemed to work well and was just kind thinkin hmmm.
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I was just looking at doing this same thing for the same reasons, only i thought the D44 would be stronger also. Flat out a researched it for days and days, and by research I mean I talked to people who have either a D44 in their yota's and people who had built their toy axle.
Only had one kid tell me he liked his 44 more than his toy axle and he is a mall wheeler.
14 guys, and only one was happier with his D44 swap.
But if you still want to change sell me your for cheap since its a crap axle.
Only had one kid tell me he liked his 44 more than his toy axle and he is a mall wheeler.
14 guys, and only one was happier with his D44 swap.
But if you still want to change sell me your for cheap since its a crap axle.
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I do not like the mini truck axles because of the differentials as desertcamper67 experienced, and the narrow width.
I do not like the D44 because of strength issues.
I am currently looking at the fj60.
It holds a 9.5" differential so it should hold up to longs with out worring about breaking it.
It is 3 inches wider than the mini which is nice for stability.
A fj80 rear differential with a elocker can be installed into it which is a lot cheaper than a arb.
The bad part is you loose a little ground clearance and you will want a 9.5 differential in the full floating rear axle which leads you to a diamond fj80 rear.
I do not like the D44 because of strength issues.
I am currently looking at the fj60.
It holds a 9.5" differential so it should hold up to longs with out worring about breaking it.
It is 3 inches wider than the mini which is nice for stability.
A fj80 rear differential with a elocker can be installed into it which is a lot cheaper than a arb.
The bad part is you loose a little ground clearance and you will want a 9.5 differential in the full floating rear axle which leads you to a diamond fj80 rear.
08-12-2009, 05:03 PM
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I don't blame my breakage on the size of my r&p. I blame 4Wheel Parts who put it in. I found the pinion nut loosened up after a year and they wouldn't do anything about it. They didn't even peen the nut into the slot and no cotter pin is used. I just tightened it and peened the nut over.
It was a poor install job if I ever had one.
My truck has the 22RE and that isn't enough to break stuff like that on the ledge I was attempting.
It was a poor install job if I ever had one.
My truck has the 22RE and that isn't enough to break stuff like that on the ledge I was attempting.
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I was just looking at doing this same thing for the same reasons, only i thought the D44 would be stronger also. Flat out a researched it for days and days, and by research I mean I talked to people who have either a D44 in their yota's and people who had built their toy axle.
Only had one kid tell me he liked his 44 more than his toy axle and he is a mall wheeler.
14 guys, and only one was happier with his D44 swap.
But if you still want to change sell me your for cheap since its a crap axle.
Only had one kid tell me he liked his 44 more than his toy axle and he is a mall wheeler.
14 guys, and only one was happier with his D44 swap.
But if you still want to change sell me your for cheap since its a crap axle.
08-12-2009, 08:44 PM
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true. but i picked up on some actual dana 4.88 gears which are damn strong so i dont see this as much of a worry. i also dont see why you bothered to swap it to the rear? i would have just left it lol
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I do not like the mini truck axles because of the differentials as desertcamper67 experienced, and the narrow width.
I do not like the D44 because of strength issues.
I am currently looking at the fj60.
It holds a 9.5" differential so it should hold up to longs with out worring about breaking it.
It is 3 inches wider than the mini which is nice for stability.
A fj80 rear differential with a elocker can be installed into it which is a lot cheaper than a arb.
The bad part is you loose a little ground clearance and you will want a 9.5 differential in the full floating rear axle which leads you to a diamond fj80 rear.
I do not like the D44 because of strength issues.
I am currently looking at the fj60.
It holds a 9.5" differential so it should hold up to longs with out worring about breaking it.
It is 3 inches wider than the mini which is nice for stability.
A fj80 rear differential with a elocker can be installed into it which is a lot cheaper than a arb.
The bad part is you loose a little ground clearance and you will want a 9.5 differential in the full floating rear axle which leads you to a diamond fj80 rear.
so i am pretty set on that d44. i mean at least if i break my shaft on the trail i can get to the damn thing! lol
08-12-2009, 11:36 PM
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I needed to drive out, not get towed by a 4x4 tow truck.
You did say you want to be able to do trail repairs didn't you? You got to know what to do first and why.
Either way you go, good luck.
08-13-2009, 12:59 AM
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sounds like you should sell your '84 and get something else you won't have to worry about needing so many modifications.
If the Jeeps having front mounted shackles was so great a lot of companies would not have made a ton of money selling shackle reversal kits.
Front mounted shackles have a tendency to wander more, have more bump steer, increase chances for bent springs..sounds good to me
Reinventing the wheel here when it doesn't need to happen--JMO
If the Jeeps having front mounted shackles was so great a lot of companies would not have made a ton of money selling shackle reversal kits.
Front mounted shackles have a tendency to wander more, have more bump steer, increase chances for bent springs..sounds good to me
Reinventing the wheel here when it doesn't need to happen--JMO
08-13-2009, 08:56 AM
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I would have left it in too if the gears would mesh and let me roll. C'mon think about it. Tires roll, axles turn, ring gear spins and pinion, in turn, spins. But not with broken teeth.
I needed to drive out, not get towed by a 4x4 tow truck.
You did say you want to be able to do trail repairs didn't you? You got to know what to do first and why.
Either way you go, good luck.
I needed to drive out, not get towed by a 4x4 tow truck.
You did say you want to be able to do trail repairs didn't you? You got to know what to do first and why.
Either way you go, good luck.
and thanks
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sounds like you should sell your '84 and get something else you won't have to worry about needing so many modifications.
If the Jeeps having front mounted shackles was so great a lot of companies would not have made a ton of money selling shackle reversal kits.
Front mounted shackles have a tendency to wander more, have more bump steer, increase chances for bent springs..sounds good to me
Reinventing the wheel here when it doesn't need to happen--JMO
If the Jeeps having front mounted shackles was so great a lot of companies would not have made a ton of money selling shackle reversal kits.
Front mounted shackles have a tendency to wander more, have more bump steer, increase chances for bent springs..sounds good to me
Reinventing the wheel here when it doesn't need to happen--JMO
