I give you the Hi-Lift shorty

xcmountain80 · 08-30-2007, 07:02 PM

Well as many of you know a lift on a runner or pickup almost guarantee your stock jack wont work. Now I've tried a couple thing to keep the stocker working but it's just hard. I carry a 48" Jack on the roof rack bars in order to lift my truck in the event of a flat. Though to utilize it you must have sliders, which I do. But one day after some tree cutting and stump removal (which I use a hi-lift when the location does not permit a bobcat). The last one I broke a 48" a few times so much so that I ended up with 38". Hmm I thought what to do? So I cleaned it and painted it and mounted it to my roll bar. To limited the rear axle flex during lift you will have to strap it. I used some rubber pucks and a pre body lift bolt and a few other things to secure it.

Aaron

Blizzard · 08-31-2007, 10:52 AM

Nice "Not-so" High Lift hehe

What's that parrot and shark for?

David

ewong · 08-31-2007, 11:13 AM

Is that a Gen1 4Runner rollbar in there?

xcmountain80 · 08-31-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Blizzard

Nice "Not-so" High Lift hehe

What's that parrot and shark for?

David

We moved into a town home and the garage is slightly challenged, so the golf head things are so we know when to stop. I'm 3" from the garage door. The roll bar is a 1st gen.

Aaron

FredTJ · 09-01-2007, 02:44 PM

Y'all go through all that (jacking up the vehicle with a hi-lift from the side or front/rear, using a strap to keep the axle up, etc) and somewhat not safe, especially when off road, when a simple bottle jack under the axle will do all that, twice as fast, and much, much safer..

Fred

xcmountain80 · 09-01-2007, 03:15 PM

Thats kinda the point, a bottle jack doesn's take btwn 5 and 6 clicks to get it off the ground, not to mention having to crawl under the truck to get it placed. With the sliders that I have (welded) the weight of the vehicle is supported with no issues on the jack. As far as the safety factor you have to know how to use a HL to use a HL, they are extremely dangerous in un-trained hands. Though if you know of bottle jack with the same lift speed as a HL I would buy one for sure just to have.

Aaron

FredTJ · 09-01-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xcmountain80

Thats kinda the point, a bottle jack doesn's take btwn 5 and 6 clicks to get it off the ground, not to mention having to crawl under the truck to get it placed. With the sliders that I have (welded) the weight of the vehicle is supported with no issues on the jack. As far as the safety factor you have to know how to use a HL to use a HL, they are extremely dangerous in un-trained hands. Though if you know of bottle jack with the same lift speed as a HL I would buy one for sure just to have.

Aaron

The vast majority of people that use hi-lifts are "un-trained"..
The bottle jack is just as fast, even faster that times that I've seen hi-lifts used. By the time you get the hi-lift unbundled from where it's at, the axle strapped up and then the hi-lift in place and the vehicle lifted.
The bottle jack is very fast and you don't have to "crawl under the vehicle" to get in placed.
Almost every time that I've seen a hi-lift used it's just been beyond scary.

This is pretty typical:

Fred

xcmountain80 · 09-01-2007, 09:22 PM

Wow !

Aaron

Flygtenstein · 09-01-2007, 10:25 PM

Congratulations.

You just made an off road tool usable only on flat ground in the shop.

I use a bottle jack under the axle off road given a choice.

I use a floor jack in the shop.

I use my 60" Hi-Lift on the trail when there is no other reasonable way.

I have 37's.

86tuning · 09-01-2007, 10:35 PM

I like how the hi-lift fits in the back, but you might want to consider moving it further back so that the handle doesn't intrude on a rear passenger's head space. In the event of a side impact or roll, the left rear passenger could get seriously injured.

Just something to think about.

xcmountain80 · 09-02-2007, 07:12 AM

Well screw you guys,,,,,, if you don't like it don't use it! This has nothing to do with the trail. I have a 48 with base for the trail this was just a quick fix for not using the bottle jack. This is for a flat on the side of the road or job site. I obviously forgot to put that caption in. I had something lying around and taking up space so I figured I would make good use of it. I didn't reinvent the wheel I merely lost some height on a Hi-Lift.

Aaron

WATRD · 09-02-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by xcmountain80

Well screw you guys,,,,,, if you don't like it don't use it! This has nothing to do with the trail. I have a 48 with base for the trail this was just a quick fix for not using the bottle jack. This is for a flat on the side of the road or job site. I obviously forgot to put that caption in. I had something lying around and taking up space so I figured I would make good use of it. I didn't reinvent the wheel I merely lost some height on a Hi-Lift.

Aaron

Perhaps the fact that you posted this in the "Offroad Tech" section is what is leading folks to wonder about your intentions.

Personally, it seems kind of silly to me, but, to each his own. I have a 60" and frequently wish it had a few more inches on it...

ocdropzone · 09-02-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FredTJ

The vast majority of people that use hi-lifts are "un-trained"..
The bottle jack is just as fast, even faster that times that I've seen hi-lifts used. By the time you get the hi-lift unbundled from where it's at, the axle strapped up and then the hi-lift in place and the vehicle lifted.
The bottle jack is very fast and you don't have to "crawl under the vehicle" to get in placed.
Almost every time that I've seen a hi-lift used it's just been beyond scary.

Fred

Yes, this hi Lift user (in FredTJ's example) is trying out for the Darwin Awards. However used properly a High Lift is a safe tool. My ARB bumper came with two spots on the front bumper designed to be used to lift the truck with a high lift.
There are many situations where a bottle jack just won't work. I carry both as I am sure the same goes for the majority of people who actually wheel their truck. Try using a bottle jack in a stream..great fun

As far as the OP's jack, good idea if it works for him, however I agree with this post--from the angle of the picture it looks like he has hit it right on the head:

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86tuning

I like how the hi-lift fits in the back, but you might want to consider moving it further back so that the handle doesn't intrude on a rear passenger's head space. In the event of a side impact or roll, the left rear passenger could get seriously injured.

tc · 09-02-2007, 09:03 AM

I carry the stock jack, a bottle jack, and a 48" HiLift.

The HiLift is the last resort.

The 48" HiLift will fit sideways either at the back of the cargo area or along the front of the back seat, so why cut it down?

**aviator** · 09-02-2007, 09:48 AM

Nice idea XC despite what some have said here... life handed you a lemon [busted jack] and you made lemonade [new shorty that fits inside] great use of ingenuity. and there are some situations where crawling on your hands and knees to place a bottle jack on the side of the road just isin't practical... like when you're in a suit for work or a night out for example but the shorty would let you stay 'cleaner' perhaps...
I would consider that note someone made about moving the thing back to increase pax safety but thats all...
Good mod and thanks for keeping the jack out of the landfill.

Henrythewound · 09-02-2007, 09:51 AM

I think the jack was broken down to 38" thus why he "cut it down". Just trying to make use of an otherwise unusable tool. Better than nothing thats for sure

FredTJ · 09-02-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by aviator

<SNIP>
and there are some situations where crawling on your hands and knees to place a bottle jack on the side of the road just isin't practical... like when you're in a suit for work or a night out for example but the shorty would let you stay 'cleaner' perhaps...
<SNIP>
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Except that he still has to strap the axle up, and I bet that involves getting dirty

If he doesn't strap the axle up, then he's got to lift the vehicle way too high and thus is dangerous.

Quote:

Good mod and thanks for keeping the jack out of the landfill.

Yup, there's always a use for something.

Fred

xcmountain80 · 09-02-2007, 01:19 PM

This really does seem to be a waste of time debating over, whether it's a good idea or not. I don't care either way, this is no more a safety issue than the current models that Hi-lift sells. It's just different thats all. I was showing what I did with what I had, I have a 48" that goes on the roof when I'm wheeling this was a quick easy solution for something I already have. As for strapping the axle throw the strap from in front of the tire to the rear and hook it up to the frame. If it's in the wrong place thread (yota tech wise) then I apologize and either you can move it or I'll delete and re-post.

Aaron

WATRD · 09-02-2007, 01:26 PM

Moved from the Off Road section to the tools section since that seems like a better match for this thing.

xcmountain80 · 09-02-2007, 03:47 PM

Thank You.

Aaron

08-30-2007, 07:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
xcmountain80 Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 1,393	I give you the Hi-Lift shorty Well as many of you know a lift on a runner or pickup almost guarantee your stock jack wont work. Now I've tried a couple thing to keep the stocker working but it's just hard. I carry a 48" Jack on the roof rack bars in order to lift my truck in the event of a flat. Though to utilize it you must have sliders, which I do. But one day after some tree cutting and stump removal (which I use a hi-lift when the location does not permit a bobcat). The last one I broke a 48" a few times so much so that I ended up with 38". Hmm I thought what to do? So I cleaned it and painted it and mounted it to my roll bar. To limited the rear axle flex during lift you will have to strap it. I used some rubber pucks and a pre body lift bolt and a few other things to secure it. Aaron Last edited by xcmountain80 : 08-30-2007 at 07:04 PM.

08-31-2007, 10:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
Blizzard Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Barcelona (Spain) Posts: 873	Nice "Not-so" High Lift hehe What's that parrot and shark for? David __________________ '94 Toyota 4Runner 3.0 Turbo Diesel Intercooler – Trail-Gear 4'' SAS front, Trail-Gear 5'' rear leaves swap, 35x12.5x15 M/T's and too many things more to write...

09-01-2007, 10:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,257	Congratulations. You just made an off road tool usable only on flat ground in the shop. I use a bottle jack under the axle off road given a choice. I use a floor jack in the shop. I use my 60" Hi-Lift on the trail when there is no other reasonable way. I have 37's. __________________ Ease on down the road. Last edited by Flygtenstein : 09-01-2007 at 10:29 PM.

09-01-2007, 10:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
86tuning Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 456	I like how the hi-lift fits in the back, but you might want to consider moving it further back so that the handle doesn't intrude on a rear passenger's head space. In the event of a side impact or roll, the left rear passenger could get seriously injured. Just something to think about. __________________ - Brian Last edited by 86tuning : 09-01-2007 at 10:41 PM.

09-02-2007, 09:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 6,895	I carry the stock jack, a bottle jack, and a 48" HiLift. The HiLift is the last resort. The 48" HiLift will fit sideways either at the back of the cargo area or along the front of the back seat, so why cut it down? __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

08-31-2007, 11:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
ewong Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Philly PA Posts: 1,289	Is that a Gen1 4Runner rollbar in there?

09-01-2007, 02:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
FredTJ Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Age:59 Posts: 1,166	Y'all go through all that (jacking up the vehicle with a hi-lift from the side or front/rear, using a strap to keep the axle up, etc) and somewhat not safe, especially when off road, when a simple bottle jack under the axle will do all that, twice as fast, and much, much safer.. Fred

09-01-2007, 03:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
xcmountain80 Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 1,393	Thats kinda the point, a bottle jack doesn's take btwn 5 and 6 clicks to get it off the ground, not to mention having to crawl under the truck to get it placed. With the sliders that I have (welded) the weight of the vehicle is supported with no issues on the jack. As far as the safety factor you have to know how to use a HL to use a HL, they are extremely dangerous in un-trained hands. Though if you know of bottle jack with the same lift speed as a HL I would buy one for sure just to have. Aaron

09-01-2007, 09:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
xcmountain80 Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 1,393	Wow ! Aaron

09-02-2007, 07:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
xcmountain80 Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 1,393	Well screw you guys,,,,,, if you don't like it don't use it! This has nothing to do with the trail. I have a 48 with base for the trail this was just a quick fix for not using the bottle jack. This is for a flat on the side of the road or job site. I obviously forgot to put that caption in. I had something lying around and taking up space so I figured I would make good use of it. I didn't reinvent the wheel I merely lost some height on a Hi-Lift. Aaron

09-02-2007, 09:48 AM	#15 (permalink)
aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 5,327	Nice idea XC despite what some have said here... life handed you a lemon [busted jack] and you made lemonade [new shorty that fits inside] great use of ingenuity. and there are some situations where crawling on your hands and knees to place a bottle jack on the side of the road just isin't practical... like when you're in a suit for work or a night out for example but the shorty would let you stay 'cleaner' perhaps... I would consider that note someone made about moving the thing back to increase pax safety but thats all... Good mod and thanks for keeping the jack out of the landfill. __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way.

09-02-2007, 09:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
Henrythewound Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 413	I think the jack was broken down to 38" thus why he "cut it down". Just trying to make use of an otherwise unusable tool. Better than nothing thats for sure __________________ Joe aka Henrythewound 2000 Toyota 4Runner 4WD, Stubbs SKO sliders, SS 7.1, 265/75/16 BFG ATs An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered. G. K. Chesterton

09-02-2007, 01:19 PM	#18 (permalink)
xcmountain80 Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 1,393	This really does seem to be a waste of time debating over, whether it's a good idea or not. I don't care either way, this is no more a safety issue than the current models that Hi-lift sells. It's just different thats all. I was showing what I did with what I had, I have a 48" that goes on the roof when I'm wheeling this was a quick easy solution for something I already have. As for strapping the axle throw the strap from in front of the tire to the rear and hook it up to the frame. If it's in the wrong place thread (yota tech wise) then I apologize and either you can move it or I'll delete and re-post. Aaron

09-02-2007, 01:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
WATRD Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Duvall, WA Posts: 5,125	Moved from the Off Road section to the tools section since that seems like a better match for this thing. __________________ -Rob Slightly Modified 2001 Tacoma - WATRD.COM WATTORA Prez Tread Lightly certified Tread Trainer I don't work here anymore... In fact, I seldom visit anymore. You can find me via the links in my signature.

09-02-2007, 03:47 PM	#20 (permalink)
xcmountain80 Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 1,393	Thank You. Aaron