Hi Guys,

This is my first post, and I'm totally inept when it comes to car audio, (please bear with me) so I'm hoping you can help me out with some (very basic to you, I'm sure) questions since you all seem to be very knowledgable. anyway, i have a 95 4runner sr5, she's a total base model (no a/c, manual windows, no cruise etc). there also appears to only be 2 speakers in the whole truck (two 4" in the dash). so here are my questions....have you ever heard of only 2 speakers in a 95, or am i just blind & deaf? and where do you think is the best/easist place to put the pair of 6x9's that i got for xmas? (doors? rear cargo area?)

any help is appreciated!

thanks,
julie


--oh and the oem tape deck has been replaced by a new pioneer cd/mp3

 

I have my 6x9s in boxes on the floor of my back seat wedged by the seats.they dont move anywhere. you could alsohave them inthe rear cargo area but I RARELY have people in my backseats

 

Hi rubysRunner,

I saw the other day in the EPC the 2 speakers version, 4 speakers and 6 ones.

Yours must be the 2 version. A friend of mine has a 4Runner 3.0TD like mine but different, he imported it from Holland and he had speaker boxes front and rear (Mine doesn't) like the ones pictured below and his 4Runner have tweeters in rear from stock, with crossovers and so... Very nice.



David

 

thanks blizzard, i knew i wasnt crazy, but i had asked several people about it and they kept saying that they hadn't heard of only 2 speakers. macrunner, i do need my back seats, so i dont think that'll work, but good idea.

now from what i've read on here so far, it seems like most people seem to think its better to put them in the doors than in the rear...and since i dont have an amp at this point, im assuming it'll sound better if they arent all the way in the back of the truck and behind the seats.

so how difficult is it to put them in the doors, will 6x9's even fit? *sigh* Is there a super easy newbie friendly write up on it somewhere that i havent found yet?

thanks again

julie

 

ive already cut the rear boxes in my runner to accpet 5 3'4 speakers but do you think they would be big enough to cut out for 6x9s? i think it would be really cool to have two 6x9s in the back that noone could see.

 

i would like to know this as well. there are no speakers in mine but everything is there, including the wiring from the factory apparently. would be sweet if they could fit in the rear panels without being able to see them.

 

you will need to trim the sheet metal in the doors some. and of course you need to cut holes in the door panel itself.

at least you are in the right direction.

with 2 speakers... or 2 channels.

no need to get speakers in the rears. unless you drive passengers for a living.

buy the best and biggest and baddest speakers you can afford and stuff em in the doors. you will need a speaker baffle (just a piece of wood) to mount the speakers onto and then the baffle to the door).

then add a kick ass subwoofer to complete the 2 channel setup.

until you see multichannel software (and to me, i dont see XM or sirius doing that anytime soon), i dont see multiple channel setups like you do in home theater.

FWIW, i have a set of MB QUARTS 218 components on my front doors (as well as another set on the rear doors, which have been inactive for over 10 years now) and a single 12" sub in the rear.

couple that with 3 channel (techincally a two 2-channel amps) amp and i am very satisfied with my setup.

 

^^^^ What he said.

If you aren't into cutting into your door panels to retrofit new speakers, you could invest into some Q Logic Q-Form kickpanels for the 4Runnersl. Matches factory colors, and doesn't drastically change anything in the vehicle.

 

i've been looking at those, my question though, is dont they get in the way??? they look like they stick out quite a bit. will i still be able to comfortably use my clutch? thats kind of important.

ps: i already let some dumbass cut some holes in my door panels, and he put them in the wrong spot apparently so now he says the speakers (5 1/4inch) cant go in there cuz the door doesnt close properly, maybe we need to trim it down like you guys were saying, i'll suggest that. and now i still have the 6x9's to put somewhere....guess i should have just done it myself in the first place, but i was afraid i'd put the holes in the wrong spot. :pat:

julie

 

Id advise on the door-mounts to space the speakers out with 1/4" MDF rings until you get them to fit properly. If I don't use the q-forms (not likely i will), I'm mounting them to the door and being done with it. Already have enough cabling to run into the doors as it is.

As for interfering with the clutch, I've never known a q-form to do that- many other cars I'd installed them on never had any clutch issues, you just usually lost the dead pedal.

Edit: forgot: There's only one spot on the door i can think of that has the clearance to take speakers, thats in front of the arm rest, and down a few inches. There's a hole in the door frame there, and if your speakers arent too deep and youve spaced them properly, shouldnt be any issues with the window getting in the way.

 

thanks

he put them in the front further ahead than that, that's the problem. we'll figure it out. i think they might still work if we do the spacer idea. right now they fit, until you try to close the door, and then the magnet is in the way, but if we lift it out a bit more, i think it will work. on the bright side, they sound pretty good.

 

the ones q-forms has for the 2nd gen 4runners will only accept up to a 5 3/8" woofers.

i thought about them. heavily modifying them for the 6 1/2 woofers that came on my set. but it wouldnt just fit...

that's why i just stayed with the door mounts and used a digital signal processor to time delay the signals so it's dead on center for me...

 

thanks for all your input guys. I'm gonna try spacers. I'll let you know how it all works out. still trying to decide what to do with the 6x9's...maybe i'll just sell them.

 

Julie- I just realized your problem here. Its the same I have with mine-

1. The rear speakers in many 2nd gens (as ive found out from research on here and elsewhere) have an inline amplifier that receives a remote turn-on signal from the power line to the antenna. Basically, the antenna is powered on by the factory radio regardless of whether or not you are listening to the radio or tape deck.

2. When you installed your Pioneer, it sent a signal (assuming you hooked the antenna power cable up off the Pioneer harness, most folks don't) to the harness to trigger the antenna and the power on for the rear speaker amp.

3. If this cable was hooked up, then when you run the radio, it'd run all four speakers, but when you switch to a CD or MP3 player, only the front two, since the amp isn't getting its turn-on lead. Easy enough to bypass, though, just track down the speaker wire where it hits the amp, and crimp in a length of wire to literally bypass the wire to the amp. Should fix your problem. Can't tell you exactly where it is, but from what I understand its under the dash in many. Not the case in my 1990 from what I saw.

3b. Option B is to tie into the "remote turn on lead" (light blue wire) on the Pioneer harness and run this to the amp, finding the remote turn on lead for the factory amp. This will acomplish the same thing, but chances are the Pioneer's amp will be stronger and sound better than the old factory amp.

ldivinag

You are aware that many new Alpines with do the same thing? Just an FYI I gotta admit I love my CDA9815 because of it. They call it "Time Correction."

 

hey, thanks for the info...but thats not the problem.

the problem is that there are no rear speakers, the vehicle only came with two 4" speakers in the dash from the factory, and that's it. there are no speakers in the rear whatsoever. there does appear to be wiring installed for them though, so i will keep this info in mind if i do decide to put speakers back there.


thanks again for your info ( and your patience, i'm a newb at this remember )

 

julie,

as they say in life, "timing is everything". i just finished a very, very detailed writeup on how to install an amp, subwoofer, and component speakers (in q-logic kickpanel enclosures) in my 98 4runner. though its not a 2nd gen writuep, this will give you an idea of what's involved in tying all these things together: http://www.4runners.org/articles/stereo.

if you follow my writeup, you can do exactly the same with your 4runner just by simply unhooking your existing two speakers (like i did w/ all my four door speakers) and then using a q-logic kickpanel enclosure and putting in some component speakers. you can start small by doing this and buying a 4 channel amp...and then later, hook up a subwoofer.

also, i highly recommend you look at corey's website. his member name is 'corey' and he is my boss, so to speak he's got GREAT info on 2nd gen car stereo.

lastly, look in the tech section's audio/electrical subforum. there are some writeups on 2nd gen 4runner stereo systems.

whatever you do, do your homework. take several weeks (or months) if you have to. you will make better decisions and save yourself a lot of money in the process. in fact, i was patient and found some good deals on my stuff from forum members.

search, read, and come back with questions.

bob

 

No, they don't get in the way. the only thing i had to get used to was that when getting in the vehicle, my foot naturally hit the q-logic because my body/foot memory while getting into my 4runner. also, missing the foot rest was a bummer, but for the better sound system, my left foot's comfort was happily sacrificed.

 

thanks bob...

i have been doing nothing but searching for a couple weeks now...learning lots...(i love this board btw, my boss has basically been paying me to check out yotatech all night...lol). i will check out your write up, and corey's site. and don't you worry, i'll be back with questions i'm sure.

 

your boss pays you to surf yotatech.

...tell him to hire me NOW

bob

 

shhhhhhhhh.....he doesn't know.