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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 06:23 PM
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bad fuel injectors?

Did my search, but did not find the info I was hoping for. I have pulled the injectors from an 86 22RE and tested each using an ohm meter and a +12V supply. All four ohm out at 3 Ohms or so, but only two of the four sound like they work ("clicking noise" when applying +12V). Before pulling the injectors, the engine ran reasonably well but rich. Any suggestion on how else I can test the injectors other than sending them off to Witchunter?
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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 06:53 PM
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all four injectors are fired simultaneously by the ECU and all 4 fire once per crankshaft revolution.

Does that help?
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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 07:05 PM
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Abe, not picking up on the hint I guess. I am assuming that the two that do not actuate (e.g. make clicking noises) when 12V is applied are either frozen or faulty. Would you agree? Last 10 injectors I tested (4 from 22RE and 6 from 3VZE) all made an audible clicking noise as I succesively tapped the lead to 12V.
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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 07:10 PM
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the injectors are wired in two 'banks' with each bank comprised of two injectors.
external to the engine (i.e.: in the wiring harness) the two banks are wired together creating one bank of 4 injectors.
make more sense?
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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 07:13 PM
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were the injectors saturated or peak-and-hold?
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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 07:21 PM
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OK, I definitely understand the wiring and firing sequence for the injectors, but don't know that this helps identify whether the two injectors are faulty. Not sure that I know how to identify the two types of injectors. Always thought that an injector was simply a coil/solenoid that moved a needle or plunger when energized.
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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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why not have an injector place bench flow test the injectors? It'll let you know if they are stuck open or clogged or whatever. Clean injectors are awsome.
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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Just getting back around to this this thread. Buttoned up the 22RE using the suspect injectors. Ran rough, but did idle. Pulled each plug wire and found that #3 makes no difference. Good spark to the plug, so I took out the sparkplug and replaced it with a new one from the shelf. Ran rough still, so I took out the plug and noticed it was not wet or had not the faintest smell of fuel. Before I take apart the plenum and fuel rail, would anyone disagree that the #3 injector is bad or alternatively is not getting a 12V pulse? I should be able to verify the pulse signal with an LED by tapping into the injector harness, correct?
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 03:03 PM
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it's tight to get to, but switch the plug on the injector with another and see if the dead hole moves. If it does, electrical problem, if not: injector problem.
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 03:33 PM
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Sure is nice to have someone help me think "out of the box". Thanks.
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 06:55 PM
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lol, unfortunately I had to learn a lot about testing the FI system.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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Still going at this! Pulled the plenum, fuel rail and injectors. Re-verified that each injector was working by +12V supply. Also visually looked for spray at nozzel. Even the suspect #3 injector seemed good. Reassembled and swapped the suspect injector to #1 port to see if the problem followed. Also swapped the #2 and #3 injector leads per Wile E. Toyota suggested. Figured if it was the injector, the problem would now be on #1. If it was the electrical feed to the injector, then the problem would be on #2.

I cranked it back up and it still ran rough. Pulled the #1 ignition wire and it died out. Pulled the #2 and it died out. Pulled #3 and made no change, just ran rough. Pulled #4 and no change. So the problem is not fuel injector or lead connector.

Confirmed that spark was present on #3 wire by holding it to the block. Good spark, but makes no difference when plugged back in.

I am confident that the head and valves on #3 are OK and adjusted, having just pulled the head to replace the HG.

Suggestions....Please!
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 04:51 PM
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Anyone? Bump!
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 10:04 AM
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have you done a compression test?
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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I'm having the same problem but on cylinder # 2.

when you tested the injector plugs, was there power to both sides of the plug?
if so i think thats my problem
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 10:48 AM
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Wilie, yes I have done a compression test. 160 +/- on all four.

Toyota1, if you are seing +12V on both leads to the injector, that is expected. I think the ECU pulls on lead to ground to fire the injector.
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 10:52 AM
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Check the injector wire splices that live about 6" up inside the wire loom. There are 2 splices on the ground side, #2 and #4 connect together at one and #1 and #3 connect at the other and then those two wires runs back the No10 and No20 connections on the ECU.
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 10:54 AM
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no im not, im only getting power to the one side of the plug, and the wires look good.
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 11:46 AM
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4Crawler....will do. Not lookin forward to pulling the plenum again
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 03:36 PM
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Success! Removed the TB and pulled off the electrical tape and wire looms. Found that the ground wire on #3 had started to oxidize and all but two or three copper strands were conductive. The ohm meter showed continuity, but I could feel a buldge in the wire close to the injector cap which led me to cutting the wire back and exposing green powder and a few black wires. Cut the wire back to where it was good copper and then soldered in a new pigtail. Assembled everything and fired her up. Purrs like a kitten! Thanks all!
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