Problem solved... tigerdirect is getting my chaintech board back, i get a full refund, and i used it to buy a sweet msi board, ended up makin money on the deal... how often does that happen.... thanks to all for your help, another reason to show yotatech rocks.... Also, if you get bored and want to look at a interesting thread, check out my boat resto thread on yotatech, the link is in the sig!