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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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Need some car audio help

OK...I just ordered a new 1200W (1600W peak) Infinity Class D Mono Amp off of my discount page from Circuit City...I am currently running 8 gauge power wire...will I need to increase that power wire to a 4 gauge? I don't want to burn anything up...what do you guys think?

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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 11:44 AM
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It depends of course on the length of the wire. If the amp is in the back of the truck, I would recommend at least 4 gauge, maybe 2, but those are just guesses. Even though it's class D, that amp is going to be quite a drain on your electrical system...
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Amacfarl
It depends of course on the length of the wire. If the amp is in the back of the truck, I would recommend at least 4 gauge, maybe 2, but those are just guesses. Even though it's class D, that amp is going to be quite a drain on your electrical system...
I would recommend 4 gauge along with a Capacitor, especially if it is in the rear of the vehicle.
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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http://paudio.tripod.com/wiregauge.html hopefully that will help
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 01:48 PM
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Yeah, the amp is in the back of the truck. So I'm definately gonna need to go to 4 gauge?

Thanks for the help, and the link,

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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 01:52 PM
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You are going to all ghetto loud? Or normal listening volume? 8 gauge is fine if it's the latter one. The benefit of higher gauge is not worth the expense and particularly the effort of ripping stuff apart and drilling bigger holes. The idea of overloading that wire and burning anything is borderlining on ridiculous.
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 01:58 PM
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Something to point out...

When using idotmyi's linked graph, note that it's referring to the current that the amp draw from the DC side. "1200W" is an audio OUTPUT rating for the amp - check the amp specs to see what it's INPUT requirements are.
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 04:38 PM
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You are going to all ghetto loud? Or normal listening volume? 8 gauge is fine if it's the latter one. The benefit of higher gauge is not worth the expense and particularly the effort of ripping stuff apart and drilling bigger holes. The idea of overloading that wire and burning anything is borderlining on ridiculous.
I'm never going to have it "ghetto loud" as you said...usually it will be at regular listening volume but occasionally it will go above. I camp out a lot and I like to have the option of being able to hear the music pretty well outside of the vehicle, I'm not talkin about 30 feet behind me on the highway...

I just want to be on the safe side in case something DOES go wrong and the wires get overloaded.

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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 05:05 PM
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I would go 4g wire or mabe even 2/0g if you can afford it and a cap for that amp. Check out my page since I have a very simmilar setup (1200 watt amp with cap under pasanger seat). The cap really does help with that kind of power as does an optima baterie.
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 05:45 PM
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it's a class D, so we can't give you an exact figure... What's the current draw on the amp?

I'd run *at least* 4awg simply because it's a nice margin of safety, and less resistance == higher voltage....
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 05:59 PM
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Hey Fink
Definately run 4 gauge wire...i have a buddy that has a 900 RMS pheniox amp and i looked at it today and his amp was heating up bad and cutting out due to the amp trying to get enough current going to it but not getting it from the 8 gauge wire he has...it was over working itself and this was al a lower volume...i have an 1100 RMS (2400 peak) memphis amp and i have 4 gauge with a cap and no problems
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 07:02 PM
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OK...I'll just go up to work tomorrow and get a buncha 4 gauge power wire for it.

Thanks for the comps., think I'll need a cap?

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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 08:09 PM
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I would get a cap but it is really easy to add one later. The general rule I have been told is to have one ferod per 500 watts rms. I would suspect that you will get a little headlight dimming when you turn up the bass without a cap. Mabe a lot.
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 08:31 PM
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How much would a cap run me? I already have an Optima Yellow top and experience no headlight dimming or anything with my bass turned all the way up.

What do you think?

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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 08:36 PM
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Here's the amp I got...if it helps:

www.infinitysystems.com/caraudio/product.aspx?ProdId='REF1210A'&Ser=REF&Cat=AMP

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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 09:47 PM
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cap is going to run $60-$125 depending on what you get. doesn't matter what brad you get. It's just a cap.
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 12:57 AM
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Well Im running a 1/0 guage power wire (actually gonna be changed to welding wire) into a Batcap 400 (a fancy capacitor that runs about $200) into 2 sepreate amps one that puts out 1200 watts and one that puts out 600 watts. I dont slam my sounds to often, but when I do I experince major power/ voltage loss. I run a digtal voltameter in my truck which normaly sits at 14.2 volts, but when I slam it goes to low 11 volts. Dont ask me what the problome is, the only thing I can think of is that crappy 60 amp alternator that toyota adds stock. When I can afford to replace my alternator Im gonna smash the stock one with a hammer
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 07:48 AM
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OK, I'll look at the caps that we have at Circuit City and see what kinda discount I can get on em.

I guess there wouldn't be a downside to going with 2 gauge power wire, just the fact that we'll have to make bigger holes and it might be harder to get it run throughout the vehicle. I'll ask my buddy that put my system in and see what he says, he knows a crap load about this stuff.

Thanks for all the help guys, this is great!



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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 11:01 AM
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Hey Fink, I have a brand new stinger cap 1 farad with a Voltage LED if you are interested. I think I have pics somewhere, I will have to look. I could hook you up for about 70 bones or so. Since I've added an optima and 200 amp alt, I never needed to install it. Let me know.
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigkahuna808
Well Im running a 1/0 guage power wire (actually gonna be changed to welding wire) into a Batcap 400 (a fancy capacitor that runs about $200) into 2 sepreate amps one that puts out 1200 watts and one that puts out 600 watts. I dont slam my sounds to often, but when I do I experince major power/ voltage loss. I run a digtal voltameter in my truck which normaly sits at 14.2 volts, but when I slam it goes to low 11 volts. Dont ask me what the problome is, the only thing I can think of is that crappy 60 amp alternator that toyota adds stock. When I can afford to replace my alternator Im gonna smash the stock one with a hammer
Well, the alternator is definately struggling, but have you upgraded your bat + to alt, bat - to ground, engine block to ground also with 1/0?
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