You could buy my 32x11.50x15 Bridgestone Dueler MT's (75% tread left and in perfect condition) for $375 plus shipping

 

I dont know what kind of mud you run, or what you are smoking,but thats crazy talk. I wheeled a set on a friends truck, and they turned into slicks faster than i could believe. He drove my truck, and bought TSL's with his next check.

Yeah, they have big side lugs, but when the tire goes into slick-mode and sets you on your axles, those big side lugs dont do squat. And looking cool? That goes out the window when you get stuck in something grandmas subaru could have gone through. Ill run my TSL's until i buy my 38x11 boggers.

 

i guess you missed my post of you have to have the hp to keep them clean.

like i said before get a swamper radial if its a daily driver.

 

I was driving an 87 chevy longbed with a stroked and poked 383. HP was not a problem and they still clogged.

My 165hp 6.2 with a rev-limiter set at 3400 rpm kept my TSL's cleaner than his high horsepower, high reving gasser.

 

hum... guess you have differnt mud or something,

 

you know, my LTBs ride better on the road and are quieter than my old radial buckshots(still quite loud, but i like it). they're the same as a regular bias TSL but the largest lugs stick out farther, so there's your big side lug. they're also the cheapest mud tire you can buy besides maybe a trXus, but this is on par with a TSL, not a bfg mud.

they're wearing quite nicely, after 5000 miles i still have the "SWAMPER" text on the outer lugs and you can see a the line going down the middle of the center lugs where the mold flashing is

 

Tommy the turd says...

 

 

Thornchickens are actually Interco's all terrain tire.
They suck on the rocks & street and aren't "all that" in the mud either. The only time they shine is in ruts, when the side bitter lugs can grip the rut walls. I will admit that they are a really aggressive LOOKING tire but looks are deceiving.
Not enough lug void to grip the rocks or clean out easily. Just a fancy bias ply A/T.

I've personally never bought a set but have wheeled (towed/tugged/pulled) with many peeps that have owned them. I guess that'll count as first hand knowledge eh?

DO NOT WASTE YOUR $$$$ ON THORNS!
I'd also second the LTB's as they do great in just about everything. Aired down, the LTB's do very well. Air down a Thorn and the lug void becomes even less than it already is.

Right now I'm runnin' Baja Claw Radials (should of bought TSL LTB or SX's again!) and they do much mo betta than Thorns ,but they aren't "all that" either. Sidebiters, my a s s!

 

real quick-like,

if youre moving in this direction in dirt/mud/sand/rock

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you want a tire with tread that looks like this
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else risk a bunch of people who adore the word "˟˟˟˟er" mocking you.

-sean

 

 

I'm looking to get new tires for my 97 ltd 4runner.Don't have alot of $$. I know it should be lifted, can't afford to do that at this time. So I want to know what the biggest and best tires I can fit to stock. With lifts ect. later.

 

https://www.yotatech.com/~corey/4runner_faq.htm

as far as tires, do you want a all-terrain, or a mt, mud terrain?

 

i've ran thornbirds on my jeep for over two years. they are imo the best dual tire. for a serious off-road to pavement. as said before to get the lugs clean all you need is a little hp and rpm. their wide tread pattern keeps the road ride smooth. as for the side lugs, they do work when they get into deep mud or snow. for more traction cut part of the large lug off. this will reak havoc on the road ride though.

 

just a question, ive seen a lot of people in this thread talkin about "cutting lugs off of tire", is it just me or does it seem really stupid to spend 500+ bux on tires and then have to cut them so they perform like you want them to? why not just save your money, and buy a tire that you know is gonna perform without having to cut it? i went round and round on a buncha boards before i bought my new tires, i heard the most positive feedback on the LTB's, so thats what i bought, it was a little more than i wanted to spend, but like most of you ive put a lot of money into my truck so i can go where i want and not get stuck and when you get right down to it, your tires are the only part of your rig that actually touch the terrain your so you can get your lockers, your dual cases, all the lift you want, but if you buy a tire that "looks cool" but really sucks, you might as well be on the trails with a stocker on goodyear RT-S's, taco bell, im sure you've wheeled a quite a bit and like all of us youve been stuck before, it ÅÅÅÅin sucks, and it especially gonna suck when you go out and get stuck on a brand new set of tires that you just spend big bux on...sorry bout the rant guys, just 0.02

turner

PS- i got my LTB's (34x10.50x15) for 120.99 a piece from 4wp, i got em on one their free shipping weekend and the final cost was 601.39 shipped, including the road hazard warrenty...my point is that i do mods on a tight budget and my broke ass is proof that if you do your homework you can get a good tire for a good price, you dont have to get a ˟˟˟˟ty one just theyre cheap

 

What do you do then if the tire you need doesn't exist, but there's one on the market that's pretty close?

 

thats a good point, but seriously how many times have you seen a type of terrain on the trail that some company somewhere doesnt make a tire for? and with reference to cuttin lugs off the thornbirds for more traction like fourt4 said, i go back to my orginal point of why wouldnt you just buy a tire that gets better traction rather then a tire that you have to modify in order for it work right on the trail, especially when it compromises the on-road driveability (sp?)? im not tryin to start an argument, im sure that most of you who have posted in this thread have been around this sport longer and know a lot more about it than i do, im just tryin to understand why someone would do this, there is a thread on this board about siping (sp?) tires when a diff. size of the same tire has less of a void between the lug and i comepletly understand doin that since that void has a tendancy to change depending on what size that tire might be, but if taco bell is askin "are thornbirds good tires?" and a most of the answers are "no", or "yes, but only if cut some of the side lugs down", that tells me that they suck since there are tons of people who luv the tires they have and havent had to do anything to them except mount em on their rigs

turner

 

You're assuming that said tire companies make a perfect tire for every imaginable condition, or care more about traction than on-road manners. Sorry, but it's not a perfect world. Sometimes you just have to make what you have work.
The TSL design has been around for years and works pretty damned good offroad, yet we still slice them up. Why? To make them BETTER. Same goes for the bogger, take out the small lugs and you have a nice beefy paddle tire. BFG recently came out with an uncut version of their rockcrawler tire with the intent of the end user making their own tread design from scratch. Why? Some customers want the ability to come up with their own design, and what works good for one person and their terrain of choice might not work so well for another joe in a different part of the world. What do we get out of it? New innovative ideas for tread design.

Going back to finding a better tire instead of slicing up something else, mass produced tires such as the TSL are much cheaper than one-off custom "race" tires. Sure with enough money you could talk a manufacturer into making you the "perfect" tire, but modifying a cheaply and easily obtained tire is a very appealing option for those of us who are not rich. I suggest you look into what some of the pro racers such as the baja guys use, you might be surprised at how many regular off the shelf tires you see being used. Look even closer and you'll see that even they slice out a little rubber here and there to make them better.
Thornbirds... have... no... voids! Seriously, look at the tread. If it wasn't for those puny little channels they would be slicks. There is no hope for that abortion of a tire design. As has been mentioned, their only saving grace and yet one of their many downfalls is the massive side lugs. Hey, if you flop your truck in a mud pit mabye you can still get traction... Thornturds are a show tire, plain and simple. They look "mean" from the side but they don't work worth a damn when it matters.

To summarize, it's an "if you have to ask why, then you don't need to know"deal. If we all just take what we're given and don't strive to get more out of them, then we might as well give up the fight and rejoin the herd.

 

 

well ok then....ill just be over here in the herd with my unmodified LTB's minding my own business....

turner