Why I say... WHY?!? I think SAS is for people who are seriously into rockcrawling. My buddy's 85 is completely thrashed but will go anywhere and practically climb a tree. My 94 is a mallcrawler and I don't give a crap what anyone says about me or my truck. The point is most of us here do what we do to make ourselves happy. How dare anyone tell other people how they should live their lives, and especially about something as superficial as a stupid truck. Granted I've dropped three grand into my truck, and it stall has IFS, but that's a choice I made on my own. I used the money I could have used on a solid axle swap and got a nice camper shell, a DVD player and other things that I wanted. My truck is completely teched out inside and out and honestly my buddies who have ultimate thrasher rockcrawlers want to take my truck when we go out on the town or into the city for a skate session. It looks cool, and that's what I want out of a truck. It's lifted and locked and I could take it a lot of places a stock truck couldn't go. ( I did have to test the new stuff) But that's honestly none of your business. I do what I want when I want and the only person I have to answer to is my wife and my medical director. So go on and rant and rave about how IFS is stupid and IFS if for losers, but think about why your saying that. If you believe that you probably already have a SAS, so shut your hole and be happy with what you have. But there's no reason to drag other people down about the decisions they have made. Back off crawler boy, I'm tryin' to find the way to the mall.

goat

 

everyone bitches about toyota IFS, but look at heeps, they have SFA's, and toyota's smoke'em on the trail. i don't see whats so bad about IFS.

 

Lol but with a SAS you can romp over the curbs at the mall to beat a person to a parking spot

I have IFS aswell, sas does not handle jumping aswell as IFS. and it takes me everywhere "I" want to go. If i wanna crawl up a rock to see the other side ill get out of my truck and hike up it.

 

Wow

Last time I saw Bud he had a blue truck...

 

Body panels are for the gays, they make them out of metal so that you can hammer them back out.

 

STAY ON TOPIC DAMNIT! Save it for the SAS is cliche thread.

 

I take offense to that as a flamboyantly homosexual IFS owner. Please abide by the forum rules.

 

Guess it depends on what sort of build level you are wheeling with. I can assure you, I have been completely owned by jeeps before. Like this guy:

 

I must say I am proud to own IFS and plan to keep it. I want to eventually get a long arm kit and keep everyhting mild, but still capable. I want a dual purpose truck because I love going fast and I love crawling.

But IFS sucks with ground clearance and reliability. But I can rely on it breaking if I push it too hard.

 

Whoever claimed SAS was for jumping?
Whoever claimed IFS was for HC rock crawling?

I think Albuquerque Jim is right on when he mentions you can't really clump all IFS into one category.

I for one enjoy my SAS, but realize my rig is built for way more than my current driving ability. I don't have any regrets as to road handling and it is my daily driver. Every cent I have spent towards the SAS has improved my vehicle.

If IFS ultimately has limitations, why does it make sense to keep putting money into upgrading it? Everyone here generally agrees that SAS has very few limitations, but eventually the body of the truck will have to be sacrificed. So why not have the best possible rock setup under your rig if you plan to use you rig for... rocks?

I wouldn't say IFS sucks, especially the newer systems. IFS can go plenty of places, just make have to take different or alternate lines. Most trails have options, both count as to finishing a trail in my opinion. I just think that ultimately a SAS can be built stronger, with more flex and ground clearance.

Plus I enjoyed the challenge of doing the swap myself, and seeing how my work does on the trails. I like the building aspect almost as much as the wheeling aspect.

 

IFS SUCKS? I must have been sleeping that day of class. I love my IFS. Hell, I want IRS too.

 

I am going to run my IFS until I break it and then I'll swap to a solid axle. I see no point in investing money in it yet since I'm a n00b wheeler.

IFS = For n00bs.
SAS = For seasoned wheelers.

 

lol, i was waiting for someone to chime with the "n00b"...IFS doesn't equal "n00b"! it is just a suspension system, sure a SAS might be able to take my rig more places, but it's not for me, and it's not exactly cheap, or easy to do for that matter...so if i'm a "n00b" with ifs, so be it, but i have been wheeling for a while now, and am far from a "n00b"!!!

 

So, let's say $2500 for a true SAS swap, gearing, Longfields, locker....

Now, this SAS can be driven to and from the trails... even a state or two away.

How much would a buggy cost? Don't forget the tow rig and trailer. Add in the inconvenience of loosing many trails because you need a licensed vehicle at one end to make a loop out of it.

So SAS $2500, 80% or more trail access.... Maybe $40,000 for buggy, tow rig, trailer (if you are very lucky), 100% trail access, 85% trails become boring.

I like the SAS.

 

like someone else said (my memory and scrolling ability sucks), my IFS can take me where i want to go and still keep my body in its shape and keep glass. if i had a dedicated trail rig, i'd probably SAS it, but i don't, so the trails I run are relatively mild, and my IFS can handle that no problem. ive had a hole in one of my CV boots for over a year and still havent broken that cv. go figure. ive decided im not going to do any more major modifications to my truck until i can either afford to buy a regular car as a DD and go nuts on my truck, or buy an early fj40 and save my truck for DD.

 

lmao, I was just saying it seems to make more sense to stick with stock for n00b wheelers such as myself and then upgrade to a stronger set up like an SAS after the IFS takes a ☺☺☺☺.

 

I know most people do IFS to solid axle swaps, but what about swapping a solid axle for the IFS.

I have been thinking about doing this and I havent found any information or people that have done this??

 

Settle down people! We're all Toyota people aren't we. Don't start tearing eachother apart like animals "cough" jeep lovers "cough". j/k

 

different suspension systems for different people

 

Ive slammed some pretty big curbs and medians in my IFS rig to beat people to the other side of the corner / roundabout / road, didnt even knock my alignment out, just had to hit at the right angle. though its taking a tole on the ball joints though

I think solid axles are for people who like to articulate, glo slow or crawl over big ☺☺☺☺, IFS is for people who like to go fast, jump, and handle. I have IFS and it handles IMMENSLY better on the road than any solid axle truck ive driven or owned. not to mention its much more predictable at high speeds offroad, and toyota IFS is getting more durable. Not to mention the fact that while the SFA trucks get highcentered on ruts in the mud when they try to go through fast i just slam it and slide across on the skidplate and typically make it through.

Of course while im saying this i have 2 dying ball joints and a bent inner tie rod