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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 04:14 PM
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How does this sound for lift and tires?

All the info I've gotten so far from everyone and searching websites I think I've came up with a sizeable lift and tires.
4" Superlift
1.5" BJ spacers
Swaybar Discos
5.5" Cruiser coils
All Pro Upper Control Arm links
All Pro 1" extended Control arms
Profields or Longfields (Haven't decided)
Bilstein 5100 shocks
4:88 Gears (undecided on brand)
Aussie lockers front and rear
16" Weld Cheyenne 6
33x12.50 Swamper trx/us
I was going to sell my current tire and rim combo once I got the lift on and the new tires and rims bought. Also selling the 901 coils under it now along with the coils that come with the lift. I'm getting ready to start school and will have some extra funds to start this project with. Won't get it all in 1 shot but I will eventually get it! Also doing most of the work myself besides the gears and locker install since my father in law has a big garage and air tools. Let me know what you all think
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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Any thoughts? Suggestions? Opinions?
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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Longfields? Longfields are a replacement for birfields on Toy soild axles.
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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You're doing a 4" lift plus bj spacers and only putting on 33s? With that much lift go for 35s. Otherwise you don't need that much lift.

How about a panhard bracket drop or lift?
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Truck
Longfields? Longfields are a replacement for birfields on Toy soild axles.
Alright I got confused on that...had people tell me they were cv's. Misinformation I guess. HEAVY DUTY CV'S.
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Robinhood150
You're doing a 4" lift plus bj spacers and only putting on 33s? With that much lift go for 35s. Otherwise you don't need that much lift.

How about a panhard bracket drop or lift?
I want plenty of clearance so there will be no rubbing while the suspension is bottomed out. I got these 31's with the torsion bars cranked and tried to turn in a tight position on a trail and as soon as I backed up a hill and turned the wheel when coming back down the tires rubbed the inner fender bad. Plus the lift law here in VA sucks ass because they are cracking down on lifts.
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by callmej75
I want plenty of clearance so there will be no rubbing while the suspension is bottomed out. I got these 31's with the torsion bars cranked and tried to turn in a tight position on a trail and as soon as I backed up a hill and turned the wheel when coming back down the tires rubbed the inner fender bad. Plus the lift law here in VA sucks ass because they are cracking down on lifts.
Jeremy,

If your rubbing with 31's now I think you need check your bump stops. My 33x12.5's don't rub a bit with the BJ spacers and pounding the pinch welds flat. Just my opinion.
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 09:40 AM
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Jeremy,

If your rubbing with 31's now I think you need check your bump stops. My 33x12.5's don't rub a bit with the BJ spacers and pounding the pinch welds flat. Just my opinion.
I just checked the bump stops and they are in tact and seem pretty sturdy. They may be worn but can't really tell. When they rubbed I was backing up a steep incline trying to turn around on a tight trail and when I cut the wheels all the way to the left they rubbed the inner fender. I just like alot of lift but not outrageously high so I don't have any worries of rubbing or anything of that nature occurring. New bump stops will be put in after I get the lift. Thanks Phil for the heads up tho.
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 10:01 AM
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I just checked the bump stops and they are in tact and seem pretty sturdy. They may be worn but can't really tell. When they rubbed I was backing up a steep incline trying to turn around on a tight trail and when I cut the wheels all the way to the left they rubbed the inner fender. I just like alot of lift but not outrageously high so I don't have any worries of rubbing or anything of that nature occurring. New bump stops will be put in after I get the lift. Thanks Phil for the heads up tho.
You didn't add the rear lower control arm truss yet did you? When you are fully compressed the lower control arms tend to spread out and will allow the suspension to go further then it is suppose to. If this happens you usually knock it out of alignment too. I just can't understand how you got rubbing with 31's. What offset are your wheels? That could make a difference. I am just stumped on this one. keep me posted on this if you find out anything. Maybe you should have another

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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 10:33 AM
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I believe the swampers run a little big, more like 32s, plus he's got some really big lugs sticking out the sidewalls. That's what I figure anyway.

But yeah, it sounds like he needs to do some trimming and pounding.
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by strap22
You didn't add the rear lower control arm truss yet did you? When you are fully compressed the lower control arms tend to spread out and will allow the suspension to go further then it is suppose to. If this happens you usually knock it out of alignment too. I just can't understand how you got rubbing with 31's. What offset are your wheels? That could make a difference. I am just stumped on this one. keep me posted on this if you find out anything. Maybe you should have another
Truss is on my "to buy" list coming up in August but I saw I didn't add it in my 1st post. I did however knock it out of alignment this last time I went out on a weekend run. I think my backspacing is 3 5/16. It was definately the lugs grabbing and kinda ripped my back lower lip of my inner fender a little. I was on a really narrow trail with a hump in the middle and upon descending the hill I backed up on, the front wheels were going against that hump while turning and thats where I got the rub from. But it won't be long...I'll have it tuned in right! I'm gonna hit ya hard with orders when August rolls around! Just took a pic...and noticed something not so good. CV grease everywhere on the drivers side It should last til august seeing all we drive here is about 10 miles a week.
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Robinhood150
I believe the swampers run a little big, more like 32s, plus he's got some really big lugs sticking out the sidewalls. That's what I figure anyway.

But yeah, it sounds like he needs to do some trimming and pounding.
Yeh those are some big lugs...they tend to do the chewing effect from time to time! Great traction but damn they can do damage! I'll git er done! I'm also checking into an economical setup of a small powder coating thing for my suspension components before I put them on so I'll post up pics as I go. Just wish I had the money for my own powder coating shop...I love it!
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 10:21 PM
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Alright I got confused on that...had people tell me they were cv's. Misinformation I guess. HEAVY DUTY CV'S.
Birfields are a type of CV joint. Just not the kind you need.
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 10:31 PM
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hey, i like your proposed config. has many of the same choices i had mulled over. you'll certainly get your needed clearance from the 4"+BJs. i did a superlift 4" plus cranked the torsion bars a bit to even out the 5" springs we added. it sits pretty high, but that has already proven its worth in a number of avoided scrapes. i avoid off-camber like the plague so i'm not too concerned about tippiness. get ready for the vehicle to feel pretty different for a couple months until you get used to the new geometry. one suggestion: go with a user-actuated locker in front, vs the aussie. you can check out my truck page for some general pix if you're interested. go for it... good plan.
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Old Jun 26, 2005 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by joez
Birfields are a type of CV joint. Just not the kind you need.
I'm going to call cv unlimited and see what they recommend.
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Old Jun 26, 2005 | 07:49 AM
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hey, i like your proposed config. has many of the same choices i had mulled over. you'll certainly get your needed clearance from the 4"+BJs. i did a superlift 4" plus cranked the torsion bars a bit to even out the 5" springs we added. it sits pretty high, but that has already proven its worth in a number of avoided scrapes. i avoid off-camber like the plague so i'm not too concerned about tippiness. get ready for the vehicle to feel pretty different for a couple months until you get used to the new geometry. one suggestion: go with a user-actuated locker in front, vs the aussie. you can check out my truck page for some general pix if you're interested. go for it... good plan.
I like the truck! Only things I was concerned about with the user actuated locker was having to mount an air compressor and such. They do make cable actuated lockers don't they? I'm not too concerned about cornering and handling because of the geometry...I got used to driving my old roommates Ford set up on 38's. So I know how that goes...it looks like you got alot of clearance with those 33's? I'm just wondering if those 5.5" cruiser coils will only give me 4" of lift since these 1.5" OME's level me out now? If so I might have to put 2" spacers in the rear. In that case 35's would probably fit with good clearance. How are your OME torsion bars? Did it make the ride alot stiffer like I hear the sway a way's do? Only problem I'm going to have is the right shock measurement. I might have to put on the superlift shocks on first then just disconnect 1 shock and measure at full flex. If I decide on 35's then I may have to look into some 5.29's instead of 4.88's. Lots to do...
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Old Jun 26, 2005 | 08:28 PM
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I'm going to call cv unlimited and see what they recommend.
Porsche CVs are the way to go IMO, damn strong.
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Old Jun 26, 2005 | 08:37 PM
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Porsche CVs are the way to go IMO, damn strong.
Are they a direct bolt up and where could i find some?
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Old Jun 26, 2005 | 10:31 PM
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What are you doing with this truck. In my opinion it sounds like you are just hungry to spend money.

If you wanta really useable lift consider a Solid axle swap or check out

www.chaosfab.com or jdfabrication.com for real IFS lifts.

With a superlift kit, you really won't need porche cv's

The truss helps keep things straight, yes when at full bump the arms can spread out, but this is in a high speed or forceful setting, simply flexing out till bump is not enough to really mess that up.

If you just want 33's and an inexpensive effective lift, I would do the following:

Front:
1.5" bj spacers
lo pro bump stops
swaybar disconnects
4.88 gears

Rear:
1.5" allpro coils
sway bar disco (if applicable)
4.88 gears
aussie locker

This combo would be very effective and pretty inexpenisve

to fit 33's you just need those items and a little fender pounding or slight trimming. The bracket lifts (Superlift, trailmaster, procomp, etc.) only add lift, no wheel travel. You'd have a more functional rig without it, in my opinion (i had one).
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Old Jun 27, 2005 | 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by deathrunner
What are you doing with this truck. In my opinion it sounds like you are just hungry to spend money.

If you wanta really useable lift consider a Solid axle swap or check out

www.chaosfab.com or jdfabrication.com for real IFS lifts.

With a superlift kit, you really won't need porche cv's

The truss helps keep things straight, yes when at full bump the arms can spread out, but this is in a high speed or forceful setting, simply flexing out till bump is not enough to really mess that up.

If you just want 33's and an inexpensive effective lift, I would do the following:

Front:
1.5" bj spacers
lo pro bump stops
swaybar disconnects
4.88 gears

Rear:
1.5" allpro coils
sway bar disco (if applicable)
4.88 gears
aussie locker

This combo would be very effective and pretty inexpenisve

to fit 33's you just need those items and a little fender pounding or slight trimming. The bracket lifts (Superlift, trailmaster, procomp, etc.) only add lift, no wheel travel. You'd have a more functional rig without it, in my opinion (i had one).
I want clearance and NO bottoming out or all that fender pounding crap. I 4wheel in Virginia so there is no flat ground here on trails. Sometimes I like deep mud with ruts and sometimes I go over rocky trails and such. So I go over a variety of things and one thing I like is clearance. If I decide to go with a TSL again in the future I don't want the issues I have right now with my lugs tearing fenders out. I want a nice looking 4runner with functionability. If I decide to go off road then I can go where some of the big guys can and not have to straddle holes or go around certain paths because I don't have enough height. I looked into the total chaos kits and with that I would have to have some pretty big fender flares here in VA because they stopped me one day and measured my tires and they only stuck out 2" past the fenderwells! Plus I just don't like that desert racer look where the front end sticks out farther than the rear. I like the chaos kit...but still on the other hand I'm going to have to have everything for the rear to lift it. I will eventually probably do a sas but for right now I'm stuck with IFS. What I want is a nice looking 4runner that is feasible for the terrain here in Virginia. I feel safe with a locker and enough lift for 35's. And I did knock my front end out of alignment just by that hard compression last time I went out. It pulls HARD to the right and I wasn't hitting any hard ruts or any bad terrain that usually does knock alignment out.
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