Yes it does. By doing this you're affecting the image of 4wheelers world wide, and that resulting poor image (because of people like you) is what is used to justify closing trails. "Designated areas" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Behaving only when you're on a trail has absolutely nothing to do with it. Your attitude of "nobody will see" or "only the land owner will care" is the problem. Here's a little reading material for you.

http://www.treadlightly.org/

Continue to do this and you will find yourself unwelcome in any club, on any trail, and especially on this board. Continue tresspassing and one day you may find yourself on the wrong end of an angry land owners firearm.

 

you greatly missunderstand me ... but im tired of this conversation ......... is that pic of yours shane on a designated trail???

 

This is by far the WORST excuse I've ever heard. It is your duty to learn the difference between right and wrong, and to help educate others like yourself. We can no longer take a back seat to these issues, every day we lose trails and every day we get more laws governing our sport because of people who chose not to care.

 

It is you who are misunderstanding the results of your actions. And yes, it is a designated trail near Rimrock Lake in Washington.


If you are tired of this conversation, which YOU started with your remark above, then kindly leave this website and don't come back. Or you could stick around and LEARN something.

 

That is all.

 

umm did you read my last post...... i do care. its not my fault that they are closing trails maybe you should ask them the logic behind closing a trail when they know the demand is going to be the same. they ether let us do what we want in the areas that we can or we will find another place to do it.... i dont think that if they came out with a law getting rid of all wheeling areas that you would just stop wheeling.. they dont want us to behave they want us to stop completly and thats just to bad bc i wont stop doing what i do (which is hardly destructive) (if you knew how i drive you whould know that i am the least of your concern about destroying anything) they cant make us stop and if you dont like how they are treating YOUR SVRAs or YOUR TRAILS then maybe you should go to them and fight them..

 

not me.

dont take your anger out on me. im with you on this issue

 

You're contradicting yourself. If you cared you would educate yourself as to what is acceptable and what is not (crossing rivers outside of trail/road paths). It IS your fault, all it takes is one picture from a hiker or land owner of you in a river or tearing up a field and more of our trails go bye-bye. Even your tire tracks found after the fact as evidence that someone was there is ammo for the greenies, no matter if you tear things up or not. If one of us catches you out doing such, you WILL be publically chastised and turned in to the authorities.

Your thinking that "they" want all of our trails closed is incorrect. While there are undoubtely many individuals out there who would like to see all forms of motorized transportation disappear, the vast majority are happy with us sticking to established trail systems but they will not hesitate to take that away from us if we don't serve our part in that trust.

 

who are you fighting here..... me or the evo people.. im against the evo people they have no right to take away designated trails and SVRAs just because of a few bad apples (which i am not one of)
maybe they should just police it better or something along those lines. the the fact of the mater is that they dont want to police it they want to get rid of it.
in CA there is a SVRA that is being downsized all the time it doesnt mater what the people do there. they have signs all over saying that you must have spark arresters. and everyone does. you must stay on designated trail and they do but they dont care if we follow the rules and as soon as i dont have a place to leagally wheel i will go somewhere else and they will eventually be forced to keep the areas open. i dont see the connection between trespassing and driving off designated trails. the place that i am talking about is MILES away from any "trail system" it has nothing to do with the environment its all man made anyway the evo people are more pissed off at all the ÅÅÅÅing cows. (so am i but off point)

when i go on a trail i am the first to follow the rules bc i always get caughted anyway (when im at the SVRAs). and i dont want them to close them. you just blew up in my face and dont know anything about me or the way i act in the places that i go.

up in northern CA there are HUGE expances of land that is all logging area. trails that never end MILE after MILE . THAT IS TRESPASSING no environmentalist will care what i do there there are HUGE logging trucks that do more damage there anyway (Not even thinking about the logging itself

when you think that i am the one that is making it bad for you. you are absolutly wrong and that is why i am still talking righ tnow.

i realise i have gotten on a touchy subject but maybe you should listen more or find out more before you judge me for someone im not.

 

private property and SVRAs are completly different subjects so pick one... what i do on someone elses land is at my own risk and only my own . ME no one else. what i do in SVRAs is another story i do what i can to keep the rangers happy bc i will get in trouble for it. and bc i want them to keep it open so i can come back.


YOU assume that i "TEAR up fields" now tell me how you know so much about me. if i tear up a field its my own.. like i said i am a very kind driver i am the one that winches out the stupid @sses that get themselfs stuck or break something because they are acting like idiots. i think you should stop assuming that i am this crazy drunk redneck offroad driver when you have know idea who i am

 

your last quote was taken out of context a lot of evo people do that same thing did you learn that from them (like you know what i do) i could have pushed my truck out there for all you know

 

you have no right blaming me for things that have nothing to do with me ... and by the way this place that they are downsizing was a aspestos mine before it was closed down there are signs everywere saying that there is a high risk of cancer in this area this place is absolutly barron they cant build sell or even let cattle eat the grasses. (but they will let us ride ha) but bc we have no other place to go we have to risk it.... they make us risk getting cancer so we can ride and then they even take that away believe me iam not your enemy i am your alli

 

They (State and Federal goverment, the US Forest Service, lobbyists) have every ability and right to do that, welcome to the world of today.Policing an area costs money, closing it is free.
I know that you don't "give a ˟˟˟˟" and that you "wont stop doing what [you] do". My impression of you is pretty bad from that.
Doesn't matter to them, one of us going off trail in a logging (or logged) area is just as bad as anywhere else.
All you have to do is understand that you need to stay on established trail systems. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp. You say that there's not much wheeling around you? Lately people have been getting more and more secretive about their favorite local trails in order to keep "hoodlums" (for lack of a better term) away from them. Drop the attitude that you are not part of the problem, gain the trust of some fellow local wheelers, and you may just find a ton of local trails that you didn't even know were there. I'm not trying to attack or jump on you, I'm attempting to educate you but you're the one who is not listening. Don't take things too personally, but try to understand what we're saying.

 

i know i did say it well

(this is an example of taking things out of context in case you dont know what i was talking about)

 

I did that on purpose, so you could see the attitude you are showing but not yourself seeing.

 

Dude, calm down.

 

who said i go off trail (trespassing is different still on trail) and i dont need to be educated in the ways of 4 wheeling i have been out all over my state sence my first vehicle. i know the rules. i follow them. i stay on trails. find the exact quote where i said that "i dont give a ˟˟˟˟". again dont take things out of context


that espestos thing is true

 

maybe you should read the whole thing?? and save me from haveing to say it again

 

thread post #19

 

I'll save you the troubleAnd with that, this thread is closed because it's going nowhere.