I am self employed.

 

sweet.

 

Sorry my previous post was so short, was in the middle of something...I didn’t mean to mislead anyone with the carrying a gun into a job...I took my CHL class myself here in TX not too long ago. I never sent the paperwork in...With the castle law I really didn’t see a great need. I got pigeon holed into taking the class by a friend who was trying to fill it, but I found it great information and a great learning experience. I also didn’t want big bro looking at me. I figured if our current government decided to come get guns, the CHL holders are where they'd start.

You are absolutely right tho Windsor.

Oh, and by the way. The Snake Slayer would certainly not be my one and only hand gun...

I'd probably in all seriousness say a 1911 .45. The guy that taught my CHL class put this nugget of wisdom out there. “If your going to hit someone, hit them as hard as you can.” Thus the .45. Thought that made very good sense. I don’t care for Glock Triggers (safety) myself. People either love them, or they don’t. Glock makes a fine fire arm tho. I prefer my S&W with the right of left handed safety setup it has.

 

I agree with the 1911 .45, that was my first.

 

Yah. I'd probably go with a Kimber so you could get the 22 conversion for it. It would be a good choice for many reasons. I like the 1911. I need to pick one up...when the right deal comes along. You know how it goes.

 

You ever get that 1911? It's been too long since I've been shooting.

 

Five-seven

Ammo aint super expensive either especially considering it almost has the same stopping power as an m4

 

Even if it did have the same stopping power as the .223 that isn't saying a whole lot.
And ammo is fairly expensive for the 5.7 unless you want to reload your own.

That being said I have some shooting time with one and I like the fact that they are more accurate than most people are capable of shooting and they hold twenty in a mag.

 

One gun and one only?

Suppressed MK 23 for me please.

 

Then you are limited to 75 yards or so max; there is a reason why pistols are secondary weapons.

 

.223 in the world of rifles? not incredibly impressive in terms of shear stopping power. although it is a great round and the m4/m16 is a great platform. but .223 in the world of handguns is quite impressive. how many pistols can shoot clean through a steel plate and kevlar? not many.

The five seven has incredible penetration, is very accurate, lightweight, and very upgradeable. plus like you said, large magazine capacity

 

Like I said the five seven has pros, but the thing with a bullet that light that is moving that fast is that it will zip right through someone or something close range with little effect unless you have a very accurately placed shot. Because of this you also have to worry about over penetration and hitting something that you didn't mean to hit. To me the 10mm or .45 are the best handgun rounds because of their heavy weight and slower (in the case of the .45) movement which allows for better close range characteristics.

 

Agreed on over penetration. to a point.
.223 (and 5.7mm) tend to yaw and fragment when they contact soft tissue due to the high speed, even with full metal jacket rounds. use of a hollow point or similar type of round almost completely eliminates that possibly.

i have video on a tape around here somewhere while doing work with the local PD of a glock .40 and a ar15. Both weapons were fired at a milk just full of water with more milk jugs behind the first one. Guess which round stopped completely in the first jug?

 

The fun thing about this debate is that there is no definitive answer. It depends on the situation, skill of the shooter, ammo, and most importantly shooter preference.

The 5.56 rounds are supposed to bounce around and cause more damage than just what is caused on the initial impact but that doesn't always happen.

 

Agreed. Im simply trying to supply informed information to those who have taken an interest in the debate.

 

True. I love teaching people about guns and how to shoot. I would like to open a range if it ever again becomes feasible to start a small business in the U.S.

 

I like to see what I'm killin.

 

Definitely. Most are very ill informed. Those are the ones you have to worry about having a gun. Me and my dad almost opened a range a handful of years back.

Knives are more personal

 

You guys can have it. I want to be as far away as I can from something I'm trying to kill; unless we are talking about something that can't hunt back and then it doesn't matter.

 

I gotta BB gun. Works pretty well