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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Simon
I do it all the time. Just remember, all the pre 2001 4Runners didn't have the "AWD" that you can use on the pavement, so by locking the center diff it's just like driving a pre '01 in 4WD.
Actually, the 99-00 Limited models came with the Multi-Mode 4WD which is a full time 4WD system with a center lock diff.
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 4RUNN!N
Actually, the 99-00 Limited models came with the Multi-Mode 4WD which is a full time 4WD system with a center lock diff.
That is true, I forgot about that.
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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I posted this a few weeks back in the LOCKER FAQ thread.
I'll post it here also. These are my personal experiences...your experiences may vary.
I feel compelled to post my feelings on running a "lunchbox" in the rear axle, on road, in the snow. I have read multiple posts, and reposts, with different feelings concerning lunchbox lockers while driving in snowy and icy road conditions with little feedback from drivers who have actually used them in these situations. I have just returned from a roadtrip that ran my Tacoma from the mountain passes of montana, to wyoming, idaho, and colorado. I drove primary and secondary roads, covered with solid ice, foot deep drifts, blowing snow, packed snow, and powder snow. The only condition I did not encounter for a considerable amount of time was slush.
Vehicle specs: 97 4wd Tacoma, 33" bfg mt, auto tranny, lockright locker in rear, axle with a considerable amount of weight in the bed.
Accelleration and decelleration on all winter conditions had very very little adverse affects, if any at all.
Patchey snow, and ice, where one side of the road is dry, and the other ice or snow, is where the lockright really shined. It gave great traction, and kept the truck extremely managable on these conditions with almost NO rear wheel slippage. A BIG plus in all aspects.
Powder snow(3+ inches or more on road surface) my truck handled as it did prior to lockright install. Very little if any noticable difference with or without locker.
Solid Ice on road. I encountered this where drifting and blowing snow would encounter the black sun warmed roads, and thus melt instantly covering the roads with a 1/2" of solid ice. Suprisingly I was able to keep a 40 to 45 mph pace, keeping a feel for any wheel slippage so I can react with slight decelleration to prevent my rear end from sliding to the lower side of the road. Not a big deal, I ran at least 50 miles of SOLID ice on flat roads.
Packed snow: Packed roads, completely covered, but packed from other vehicles passing over multiple times. These conditions I was able to run 50+ mph, and had great traction. No adverse affects.
Mountain Passes with extremely sharp curves covered in snow/ice:
Truck will want to understeer a bit because of slightly more traction in the back than in front. Had to keep this in mind. However, where if other vehicles would stop, they would not have the traction to get moving again, whereas my locked truck would. I'm not sure if this is because of added weight or a direct result of the locked rear end.
Well I hope this helps all those inquiries where people are questioning the use of lockers in snow. I had a thorough testing opportunity on this roadtrip and was pleased with the manners, and drive-ability of my lunchbox locked tacoma 4x4.
-Chad
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 09:49 PM
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great post
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Old Feb 21, 2006 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by northfacer581
crap.

ive got a lock rite in the rear, and ill be going to school next 4 years in the appalachains....what should i do haha?
have your seatbelt on, hand your passenger your beer and hold on tight
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Old Feb 21, 2006 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rngrchad
I posted this a few weeks back in the LOCKER FAQ thread.
I'll post it here also. These are my personal experiences...your experiences may vary.

Take that "considerable weight" out of the back and your results could be very different. But, as said above, it's all about the driver. You might just have a good feel for it! (and good common sense.)

Night before last when I got home there was *yet another* car in my neighbors front yard, and his mailbox and paper box were scattered all over. Another one lost it on the curve in front of my house... they usually get my mailbox and end up in my yard. It was a 4runner, lifted and lockered. He is lucky as hell he didn't roll it as he went sideways through the ditch. He said the downshifted and hit the brakes and lost it. Does this prove that a locker is dangerous? Of course not. Considering how far he slid, I think this proves that the guy is an idiot, a poor driver, and was driving entirely too fast for conditions. (Clear skies, dry pavement, excellent visibility - the curve doesn't take you by surprise - there is no excuse.) No real point, just sharing.

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Old Feb 21, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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My personal experience from my detroit locker jeep days.

In 2wd rear wheals with the detroit (which is an autolocker) it was scarey scarey scarey in the snow. Pop it in 4wd with the open front and it drove great.

Doing donuts in empty parking lots with 2wd rear locked is easy and a ton of fun. Trying to navigate streets and back roads with 2wd rear locked was nerve racking. Once I put it in 4wd I couldnt tell it was there.

Of course I knew how the locker worked and what effects it would have IE side stepping and rear steer. So unless your sister is well adversed in driving in the snow, how a locker works, why it could be a problem etc etc etc I agree with everyone else. Leave it disabled for the in 4high.

Besides I've pushed my Taco through 30+" of snow on the roads without the rear locked. This was during a state of emergency and no one but emergency vehicles were supposed to be on the road. If I didnt need a locker in those conditions I doubt she'll need one in regular snow storms.

I would just show her how and when to put that thing in 4wd and remind her to disengage it for dry clear roads.

HTH
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Old Feb 21, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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I think Flamed4x put it beast when he wrote: "It's a trade off. You get much improved traction, right up till you lose traction, even a little bit (and it's usually on a corner,) then it's rear end drift time."
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Old Feb 24, 2006 | 07:44 AM
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To add my 2cents...

I've got a lockright in the rear of my 96 Tacoma. On paved roads with a couple inches of snow, having it in 2wd, it will get sideways if you want it to, but it can be controlled with a smooth foot.

In 4WD, it goes very straight--I didn't notice any tendancy to get sideways then. Now, when youre off the pavement on a sidehill...that's a different story...
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Old Feb 24, 2006 | 12:15 PM
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On a different note - consider getting her some real winter tires. Worth their weight in lockers...
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Old Feb 24, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamedx4
On a different note - consider getting her some real winter tires. Worth their weight in lockers...
I was going to say that. My work van is an AWD Astro. This year we are using Cooper Discoverer winters with studs. I was going up a fairly steep snow covered hill and wanted to see just how good the Astro with the dedicated winter tires performed. Mid-hill, I came to a complete stop then punched it. That darn thing just clawed it's way up with hardly any wheelspin. I was impressed. I doubt the van has a very sophisticated AWD system so I give most of the credit to the tires.
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