You won't be disappointed.

 

sounds good to me

 

Here's a little info that will help clear things up (or make things even muddier ).

Cargo weighing less than 330lbs = 890s
Cargo weighing more than 330lbs = 891s

The 891s are shorter coils than the 890s by 0.59", over half an inch. However since the 891s have a higher spring rate they will provide a higher lift than the 890s when the vehicle is loaded with extra gear.

So the difference between a bone stock 4Runner running 890s vs 891s is going to be a little more than a quarter of an inch with the 890s providing more height. However, the more the vehicle is loaded with gear such as a high lift, D-rings, water, gasoline, larger than stock spare, etc. the better the 891 will do at preserving the lift. at some point the 891s are going to provide more lift than the 890s when you keep adding weight.

In wondering which springs to get, it might be worth asking a few questions to balance out the trade offs. Consider: if you prefer a softer ride, how much all your gear will weigh, if you are going to leave that gear in there all the time or just load it up for the trail, and do you plan to add more gear or steel later. The weight adds up quick and it's not hard to have greater than 330lbs of added weight. For example I carry 5gals of water and plan to have another 5 gals of gasoline, I also have a Hi-lift, custom rear bumper, and a 33' tire. Those things alone add about 270lbs and that doesn't include my cargo box, recovery gear, tools, CO2 tank, etc. in there.

So if you occasionally wheel, take out your gear, and are pretty much stock or just like the softer ride, the 890s are probably a good choice. If however you are lazy like me and leave all your gear in your rig the 891s are your friend. One more thing to remember is to match your shocks with your coils. If you get mismatched shocks you may bottom out prematurely or get a harsher ride and it may not be the coils alone causing the problem. I gained exactly 3 inches when I put the 891s in.

Here are the hard numbers so you can decide for yourself.

Specs on the OME 890s:
Coil A free standing height 435mm (17.13 inch)
Coil B free standing height 420mm (16.54 inch)
Bar diameter 15mm (0.59 inch)
Spring rate 190 lbs/inch
Additional weight carrying ability above gross vehicle weight 330 lbs


Specs on the OME 891s:
Coil A free standing height 420mm (16.54 inch)
Coil B free standing height 410mm (16.14 Inch)
Bar diameter 16 mm (0.63 inch)
Spring rate 210 lbs/inch
Additional weight carrying ability above gross vehicle weight 660 lbs

Difference in coil height 890 vs 891 side A 15mm (0.59 inch)
Difference in coil height 890 vs 891 side B 10mm (0.39 inch)

It stuffs just fine on my rig and the ride is not harsh at all. It's a vast improvement in ride comfort over the stock suspension.

 

awesome post man thank you. I think im gonna go with the 891's I would like to add a rear bumper and the goodies and im glad you pointed out how much just the stuff that is kept there anyway weighs. Thanks. looks like it wont hurt flex any as well.

 

Glen
That is the picture I needed to see.

 

Do It!!!!!!

 

well now i need to save up the rest of the money. So far plans are 882/891 sounds good to you?

 

sounds good
thats what i would do if i wasnt going to run adjustables upfront.

 

well today i had about 550lbs of people in the back seat of my car on the drive out to the swimming hole. man those shocks had a rough time with the weight and it was bottoming out like crazy. cant wait till i get my shocks in a few days.

 

very helpful post glenyoshida thanks very much
great photos to show the tire stuffing

but of course now I have just more and more questions....you seem to actually have some facts instead of just opinions-no offense intended to all the helpful folks out there-

Is it possible to offset a stiffer spring with a softer shock? which shock would you recommend with the 890 ? or the 891?

Which one did you choose-you seem to have a ride with some outstanding flex to the rear


your signature says your 3rd gen is a stock 2001 Runner and the pic shows the Geolander tires - those are 33" Geolanders on the 3rd Gen with the OME springs and shocks right not the 2nd gen highly modified already?

just makin' sure we are comparing apples to apples

 

If you mean can you correct an incorrect spring rate with a shock, the answer is no.

Bilsteins are arguably the best in the world but they cost more too. If I had to do it over again I'd give serious consideration to the OME matched Nitrochargers for the 891s. I don't remember the part number. They've been doing suspensions for a long time and have put them on countless vehicles. You can get creative with a new shock but IMHO you'd be trying to reinvent the wheel and your resources are better used elsewhere.

I bought a complete set from Doug at Toytec.com the rear shocks that come with the OME 891s are Toytec Model # 4R96-BIL

Yes, those are the Yokohama Geolander MT + 305/70R16 on my 2001 SR5. I guess I should update my signature since it's not really stock anymore. The rear coils are the OME 891s with Bilsteins. I'd hardly call the 2nd gen highly modified since it just has a bull bar and Downey rear coils with Nitro shocks but I appreciate the notion just the same.

 

thanks glenyoshida for the most specific of answers. So very nice the people on this forum that inform us who are non technical in the most friendly manner, thanks very much. I am pricing out Old Man Emu 891s for rear end with their n86 shocks -and not the n86c (c for comfort) I am hoping to continue using my Bilsteins up front as they are only about 2 years old and I like the way they firmed up my front end feel.

twitchee2 sorry if I have done my best to hijack your thread- I am curious why you are picking the 882s for your front end? -you will be running significant weight up front with a bumper and winch perhaps?

I myself am leaning toward the 881 fronts and 891 rears for my set up. I have the ARB bumper but I like to think a winch would get me in just a little more trouble than I need right now.

I appreciate everyone's input and comments here and on my thread "recap of Old Man Emu research" . You guys are all so helpful.

 

the 882's will just give more lift to ofset the rear lift without adding some sort of spacer. i have the ome 883's with toytec's top out spacer with the taller landcruiser springs in the rear its a good ride with a lot of front lift and no cv issues and enough lift to clear 35's with no body lift... even with the 891's it would be a good choice if anyone wanted to get more front lift to match the rear. heres a pic with the 35's...

 

thanks 4Runner202020 for that explanation

So if I understand correctly 882s up front and 891s rear would reduce my rake-the tendency of the back end to sit up a little higher than the front.

any idea how much? like 1/2 inch or ?

 

Man, those ProComps don't balance for crap do they!

 

Im getting the 882's becuase of the extra lift plus the ive read the 881's are better for the lighter 2.7l while i have the 3.4.

 

Schafer seems to contend that the 2.7 is not much lighter if at all than the 3.4 FYI.

 

O well, i would prefer the added lift as well. Good news, my rear shocks are here and they go in tommorrow. YAY! hopefully no more bottoming out.

 

how is the world do you get the top shock nut off?!?!?!? i couldnt get it off for the life of me.

 

good luck twitchee2

I am set on 881s up front and 891s in the back

getting ready to order now

Sorry no tech answer for ya