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Old Oct 20, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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96 limited axle wrap

just picked up a 96 limited, overall the truck is a dream except for the axle wrap. its all bone stock, are there bushings causing this? I will also note that it drives real floaty, i replaced the front struts with some oem ones but made no difference. could the coil springs in the rear cause this also...i notice no sagging btw
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Old Oct 21, 2006 | 03:04 PM
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96 limited what? Sounds like a 4Runner since you mentioned rear coils. The design of the rear suspension should limit axle wrap to zero - the links won't let the axle move anywhere unless they are completely shot, which I'd doubt. Likely your shocks are bad and the "wrap" you are experiencing is a lack of dampening of the spring...
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Old Oct 21, 2006 | 06:34 PM
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Depending the shock condition, your floating may be normal. It will feel very different from your 91 truck, and the 4runner stock suspension is pretty soft.
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Old Oct 21, 2006 | 08:11 PM
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Depending the shock condition, your floating may be normal. It will feel very different from your 91 truck, and the 4runner stock suspension is pretty soft.
thats what i was figuring all my buddies say im crazy i guess im just not used to that lifted truck feeling (which i like a lot better) The rear shocks are fine. i only expierence the wrap when i apply the brakes a little harder then normal, going to try lubing the slip joint on the drive shaft
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 02:01 PM
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Leaves wrap, links don't.

Axle wrap while on the brakes? Using some better descriptors would help. What you are describing is impossible based on the common use of the word "axle wrap". Linked trucks don't axle wrap, especially not while on the brakes.

Please consult a professional if your wrap problem continues.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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Like others have said, its not axle wrap.. .so you need a little better explanation..
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 04:35 PM
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if you are feeling a thud, you may need to grease your driveshaft.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 06:44 PM
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 10:36 AM
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its when im on the brakes and let off at a stop just before i hit the gas i had a friend watch and it is axle wrap. you can clearly see the pinoin moving up and down
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 10:55 AM
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you have some broken stuff then. Could be broken links, loose bushings, bent links, etc....

If your truck was healthy, there could be no axle wrap. Links and coils cannot wrap. give us some pics maybe, so we can see whats going on, and hopefully we can point you in the right direction
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 11:14 AM
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Like the others say, not axle wrap. I had similar issues as you did. I had a bas seal on my passenger side rear axle. Thus causing the brakes to lock up. and every once in a while i would get a thud like you. (after releasing the brakes). Take your drums off and have a look see in there, if there is a lot of gear oil in your drums that may be the problem. Or it could be one of your brake pistons are not releasing, but when you move it releases causing a thud.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by toyotaoffroad91
its when im on the brakes and let off at a stop just before i hit the gas i had a friend watch and it is axle wrap. you can clearly see the pinoin moving up and down
just becuse the pinon moves does not mean its axle wrap. You CANNOT have axle wrap.. if your pinon moves something is broken, something vital most likly. I would look at it asap.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 02:04 PM
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hmm he deleted his post...

where not being mean.. we have been trying to explain to you from post #2 that link suspension does not have axle wrap. Axle wrap is when the LEAF spring flexes into an S shape. Coil sprung suspension have the axle located by control arms. The control arms dont flex, thus no axle wrap. If something is worn out or broken the pinon could move, but if its visible its BAD... Also how hard are you braking? If you brake really hard the back end lifts, the angles of the control arms move, the pinon angle changes.. still not axle wrap..

Listen to what is being said here... you dont have axle wrap.. describe it better... maybe provide some photos... stop thinking axlewrap you cant have it and dont have it. Just becuase the pinon moves up and down doesnt mean axle wrap, the pinon angle changes everytime the suspension moves up or down...
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by toyotaoffroad91
its when im on the brakes and let off at a stop just before i hit the gas i had a friend watch and it is axle wrap. you can clearly see the pinoin moving up and down

when is the last time you greased your driveshaft and u-joint?
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 03:41 PM
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hmm he deleted his post...
yea sorry i figured id just nip it in the but becuase imsure what your saying is true . like i said i picked this truck up last week and im to used to 2nd gen trucks. im gonna try to lube the drive shaft since i dont think its been done in a while, although the previous owner took good care of it.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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The symptoms you descibe could indeed be a binding/ungreased slip yoke on the driveshaft. Braking causes weight transfer to the front thus extending the rear suspension and the slip yoke. As you slow or stop the rear settles back down but the slip yoke won't return to the appropriate length due to binding. Application of the throttle causes the slip yoke to unbind resulting in a sudden compressing and "thud" of the slip yoke.

Wouldn't hurt to take a look at the upper and lower control arm bushings while you are hittin' the slip yoke with the grease gun.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Maj
The symptoms you descibe could indeed be a binding/ungreased slip yoke on the driveshaft. Braking causes weight transfer to the front thus extending the rear suspension and the slip yoke. As you slow or stop the rear settles back down but the slip yoke won't return to the appropriate length due to binding. Application of the throttle causes the slip yoke to unbind resulting in a sudden compressing and "thud" of the slip yoke.

Wouldn't hurt to take a look at the upper and lower control arm bushings while you are hittin' the slip yoke with the grease gun.
Thank you i will check that out when the sun comes up
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 03:49 PM
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Here's my experience. I had the same thing. I changed my rear shocks to air shocks. In doing so I found when I aired them up the "thunk" went away. If I aired them down the "thunk" came back. I greased my drive shafts and still this occurs. Through my experience it's axle wrap. When I'm aired up, the ride is stiffer preventing wrapping. That's my take on it.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FORANA
Here's my experience. I had the same thing. I changed my rear shocks to air shocks. In doing so I found when I aired them up the "thunk" went away. If I aired them down the "thunk" came back. I greased my drive shafts and still this occurs. Through my experience it's axle wrap. When I'm aired up, the ride is stiffer preventing wrapping. That's my take on it.
coil and link suspension CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT, have axle wrap. By defenition axle wrap occurs on vehicles with LEAF springs only !!

If you have a problem back there something is worn out or broken.. its not axle wrap, plain and simple (well so I thought)
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