AgRunner06

How hard and how long will it take to do these?

1. Water Pump

2. AC Compressor Clutch

Thanks

Hyperlite

Doesn't all 93 (2nd gen) have a 3.0? On a 3.4 the skid needs to be removed and should allow access to the AC and the belt tensioners. Should not take more than 1hour. The 3.0 needs the radiator to be removed to allow the compresor to be removed. Might take longer than the 3.4 around 2+hours. The water pumps should be cake to install if you can do your AC. I have an extra
AC compressor for sale if interested. Then you don't have to worry about trying to fix the clutch. Remember that Japanese people have small hands so the right tools and patience are key. Go to Autozone and get a Haynes repair manual for your truck .

AgRunner06

Yeah, this is for a '97 4runner. My sister's to be exact. It has problems. :pat:

I may be interested in the compressor. I'll let you know within a week or so.

rimpainter.com

Water pump: 3 hours with FSM and some experience.

AC Compressor Clutch: Just go for the whole compressor. Including refill and everything, you should be about 2 hours on that.

I will just assume you are a middle of the road mechanic (no pun intended)

95_4X4Runner

I haven't looked at the 3.4 A/C to see if there's ample working room, but I wanted to let you know that I changed the A/C clutch on my old Supra, and it wasn't that hard, and I didn't have to remove it from the car, or discharge the freon to do it.

It was blowing the A/C fuse, and I determined it was bad, so, I had to buy an $18 A/C clutch removal tool and a set of inner & outer snap ring pliers to remove it.

When I got home, I opened the hood, and layed a box fan on the engine, so it would cool down quicker so I could work on it that day, and I had to do that again the other day on my 'runner, the water outlet from the block was leaking, so I had to re-apply the RTV to fix it.

AgRunner06

It took you 3 hours to do the water pump. Hmm... Did you run into any problems?

I'm not sure what all I may end up doing on the car. I'd rather just do the compressor clutch that way I don't have to mess with having to get the freon refilled and/or converted.

I'd probably say I'm a "middle of the road mechanic." Maybe a little closer to the less experienced side of the road but I'm good enough to do a lot of my own work. So I'm still looking into my possibilities right now.

The first stealership quoted over $1200 for the job. They wanted to charge 5 hours of labor just of the water pump. I had my service guy here check on it for me and quoted me $800 to do it. That's for 5.5 hours of labor and parts. The first stealership also tried to charge my dad another $120 to "put it back together" after the diagnosis. It's a good thing he called the manager on that one. I'm definitely going to post about this dealership in the "Dealerships Not To Use" thread. Bastads

Thanks for the help guys

rimpainter.com

That is a load of crap. They offer coupons to do the timing belt here in AZ for $220. They add .5hrs of labor to do the *edit* water pump.

Someone is screwing with you at the dealer. Imagine that?

MTL_4runner

I think Christian meant 0.5 hrs extra to do the water pump.
I agree......they are perping you bigtime.

The timing belt (and thus the water pump) is not that bad to do but it will require some skill and patience to do it right. Just be diligent about where everything goes and take pics if you need to for reassembly. Toughest part is to get the crank pulley bolt off.....after hat it is all a breeze.

I have never rice the compressor clutch but it is n a tough location to work on, that's for sure.

rimpainter.com

Thanks Jamie, my Starbucks hasn't kicked in yet.

MTL_4runner

hehehe......I hear ya!

AgRunner06

It's only .5 hours extra because they already have everything taken apart. Add the price of the water pump and labor and you are up to ~$480.

Water Pump $222.70
Compressor Clutch $130.25
Total Parts ~$350

Total time to replace both: 5.5 hours
Labor $450
450/5.5 = ~$82/hour

Yes the other dealership tried to royally screw me. My dealership here in College Station isn't.

rimpainter.com

My point was that the dealer was ripping you on labor charges. But you realize that, so its all good.

Bob_98SR5

AG,

I imagine you'd probably want to have the timing belt changed as well, no? I bet they are reaming you on the labor b/c (as i understand it), they have to remove the timing belt to get to the water pump. Thus, my dealership says to do both at the same time. In fact, if you ask for a timing belt change, they might even quote you a cheaper labor rate as TB changes are more commonly advertised (competition) than water pump changes. Then I imagine you'd only be responsible for paying for the part and a small labor charge to install the WP.

Bob

(did that make sense?!?! that was a little rumsfeld-ish)

its2slo

the labor rates mechanics are charging these days is laughable, that is a bunch of crap. how long do you think it takes a toyota tech. to do a timing belt? can someone pull the trigger i cant take it anymore

rimpainter.com

That’s part of the reason the techs do pretty well. They quote you for 3 hours of work, accomplish it in 1 hour, then move on to the next job during the time they were booked on your vehicle. So when all is said and done, they can do an 8 – 10 hour day, and get paid for 16 hours of labor. Good for them, but not for us.

The only good thing is that the dealer cant charge any more than the quote.

its2slo

very true, my friend is a ford tech at a local stealer, being able to get paid for "book time" has allowed him to live a very comfortable lifestyle. often he gets paid for 80hrs. in a 40hr work week.

AgRunner06

Bob, I can't exactly do the TB change and get the waterpump for cheaper because the TB was just changed about 2 months ago. I should have said to get it done while they had it apart but I don't think my dad would have paid the extra money (he pays for the repairs on her vehicle because she's only 17). I thought maybe they screwed something up but I have no way of proving it. Ok, so does the water pump run off the TB or other belts?

Thanks Guys

CTB

Runs off the timing belt. Have you tried and independent shop and not the dealership? They are bound to be cheaper.

AgRunner06

Not yet only because I'm afraid of getting screwed. The labor rate at an independent shop might be only like $10 cheaper. To me, an extra $50 is worth not taking a chance on crappy work. Finding good mechanics is hard these days. While my service guy doesn't do the work on the vehicle, he has always been honest with me about what's going on even if it means he won't make any money.

I'll figure something out.

Thanks for all the help.

Bob_98SR5

AG,

Check your PM.

Bob