Krash

I was wondering how long it was going to take till someone asked this question. There is alot of talk about it in a couple of older threads just search swap and 2.7. I think there was something about the exhaust on the other side of the engine and a few other things that made it a little difficult.

Glenn

Double row chains are horsepower hogs, which is the main reason that Toyota switched to single row chains. It is not the chain itself that is the weak point, it's the plastic guides. If the plastic guide is replaced with a steel backed guide set, a single row chain will last quite a while. It isn't like the valvetrain is really hard to turn for the engine. There is a 2:1 mechanical advantage built right into the system.

Glenn

You would have to deal with the fuel and exhaust lines being on different sides.

Highland Runner

Yes, there are guys on the Pirate board who have done the swap. You might need a bellhousing for the 2.7, I don't remember. The exhaust switch is not at all difficult for any muffler shop.

Krash

Quick question, I've had people the past couple days tell me that you can't take a W56 bellhousing off. Whats up with that, are they just ignorant to toyotas? The reason why I ask is I've been looking into a 5m-gte or 7m-gte swap and a bellhousing swap is needed.

kyle_22r

the only toy truck trannies without removable bellhousings are the L45, L50 and L52. all G, R and W trannies have removable bellhousings

any W tranny will bolt to a 3RZ's bellhousing. only thing really different is that i think the clutch is on the opposite side as a w56 so you'd have to do a little bit of line re-routing.

i know hiluxes in other countries still have exhaust on the driver side, so could try and import the crossover pipe instead of having an exhaust shop make a new one for you...could be more expensive though

Highland Runner

Thats not true. One of the guys on Pirate used a w56, a 2.7 bell housing, and the 2.7 in his truck. I think only the older (pre 83?) Toyotas had a one piece transmission/bellhousing.
Edit: kyle beat me to it on the transmission and exhaust. The 2.7 was put in Hiluxes in other countries before it was put in tacomas here.

flecker

Yeah, the l43, l45, l50 and l52 have cast integral bell housings. Why couldn't one run the trans for the 2.7 and run a drivers drop front axle under thier rig? That seems easier than re routing all the lines and exhaust. Either way I suppose it's a good size job to tackle. Sounds FUN!!!

Krash

I think you would still have to reroute the exhaust just because of the gas tank being on the same side. I may be wrong but I thought I remember reading that somewhere in one of the swap posts I've seen.

4BangR

Fuel injected and carbureted, huh? That much power sounds AWESOME. Is this a 4banger? I need more info on this beast!

flecker

Yeah.... the 22rv. Truly a legend and Toyota only produced about a 100 of them. Because of the way the Ram air assisted the throttle body and carb it cranked out an amazing amount of power. It had an rv cam with like a half inch or so of lift that just churned the valve train like butter. It could climb the biggest rocks.

Edit: It was the fastest 4 banger produced by Toyota to date, really.

kyle_22r

the reason i said to use the w56 with passenger drop case is because i figured they'd be using it in an older truck. oddly though, everywhere else still uses the w56, while NA gets the w56. i imagine that the hilux still has a passenger drop t-case then.

and i could've sworn the l43 has a removable bellhousing?? i'll take another look under the truck

mikedog

I believe the 2RZ/3RZ family of engines use a timing chain rather than a timing belt. How durable are the 5VZFE 3.4 V6's though? I know they're light years ahead of the 3VZFE 3.0's, but are they considered as bullet-proof as the 22r/re/2RZ/3RZ family of engines?

You know something, I wonder what kind of carb Toyota uses on that 3RZF? Possibly a Aisan carb similar to the 22r? If so, I wonder if it could be swapped to a 22r series engine instead of going to the usual aftermarket Weber/Holley carb. Any "black-market" Toyota parts dealers in here?


There's a shop close to me that will put a complete 3RZFE into my truck for around $2400. I'm not sure if that includes the tranny though, but if it does that's a killer deal. However, for that price you probably can go to a 7MGTE swap if you wanted.

flecker

Kyle.. I had the L43 too, could have sworn it had the cast bell housing. Almost the replica of all L series except it was a side shifter as opposed to a top shifter. I thunk Either way, from my experience the toy 4 spd. seems to be pretty dang bullet proof IMO. Just it has a slight gearing diff. in that the first gear ratio is like 3.67 as opposed to 3.93 (81-83) 4 or 5 spd..
Reason I ditched mine was shifter issues, hard to rebuild the side shifter's and I found a good deal on the L52..... wich reminds me, theres a G52 on the PBB for $75.00 right now. Think the guys up in N. Cal though.

kyle_22r

ah, up above i meant north american trucks have the w59 now, elsewhere still uses the w56

my 4 speed works without a hitch, i'd just like to have that 5th gear so i could regear, would be a bit easier on my clutch.

FingerMan20

mikedog's right. 2rz/3rz = timing chain.

83boo2

also have a 2.7 taco that hauls heavy loads every week with 130k..all we do is change oil every 3k and plugs...HUGE power gain from 22re...

farmerfloyd

I had a 86, 87, 90, pu withe the 22r engine with carb,( no fuel injection). They all got 30. mpg. Tried a 95 nissan got 24. mpg. back to 2000 toy pu short box with
the twin cam 2rz 2.4 4 cyl , cant get over 23 mpg driving hard empty or pulling
3500 lb trailer . I get 17-19 versus 23-25 with 22r in the 87 pu.
My 2000 2rz has good hp if wound up with load with 5 speed and I can leave my
friend with a Prerunner with 2.7 cc with automatic, only thing they make in USA.
The 2000 2.4 cc 5 speed will stay with a v/8 Tundra, they are all automatic in 2 wheel dr. BOTH EMPTY ONLY. If you look at sales of the 22r at auto auctions
especially trucks going south to Mexico or South Amer. The 22r engines up to 95
bring more money then the 96 with the 2rz 2.4 because of the worst gas mileage.
I get 29 mpg with a 94 I just rebuilt from a wreck, let my 2000 sit with 22 mpg
Yes the 2000 is faster. Give me the 22r.

cackalak han

Wow. 2004.

scuba

Zombie thread much !!?!?