Fahrenheit 451

Ok, so we have all heard about the famed 3.0 to 3.4. swap, but how about swapping a 2.7l to where a 22re used to be? I've found the 22re to be torquey and it lugs well; no really having to stay in the gas to keep the motor running on climbs. Although, the stock 22re does tend to make the ponies on the high end so if you need to turn the tires over in mud or sand or just need that extra oomph! to get over something, a mashed pedal is in order.
However, even mashing the pedal only grants 116hp.
After doing some surfing however, the 2.7l has the sort of horsepower (150hp) that only an overly modified 22re can crank out, while being bone stock. Perhaps a few simple exhaust and air intake mods would bring that number up and even surpass the 3.0 rated at 150hp.
Anybody ever tried this on either a 1st or 2nd gen or have any ideas about the sort of difficulties that might arise?

Salue

You bring up an intersting swap idea...I wonder if anybody has done this or is planning on doing this. Plus, you could always add the supercharger to the 2.7.... Hopefully somebody can chime in about the ease of fitment.

Salue

DH6twinotter

Well, I haven't heard much of anything concerning a 22RE to 2.7 swap. Somebody did, however, post a link a long time ago about some guy that did a 22RE to 3.4 swap (with S/C I might add ) to his '86. Sounds like it was a bit more work than us folk with the 3.0 would have to do, but thought I might mention it.
Here's the link:

http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/projects/basham_4runner/

Well, I suppose that wasn't really a direct answer to your question, but hope it helps anyway.

Have fun.
DH6twinotter

Krash

I'm pretty interested.. I don't want to do a bigger engine swap because of all the things that would have to be changed, but if a 2.7 doesn't have to change alot it might be a option to look at later on down the road.

Los Gatos?

There are nice things about smaller engines, too. They get better gas mileage, they are easier on the front suspension, easier to work on while in the car....I'm not sure exactly how you'd get one in, I'm sure it can be done...I don't know of any years where you could get a 22RE or a 2RZ, though...

jx94148

The exhaust and intake are on opposite sides. On the old ones fuel tank, lines and intake are on the right and the exhaust goes out the left. The opposite is true for 2.7s, intake on the left, exhaust on the right. At some point you would have to have the fuel lines and exhaust cross each other. Also the exhaust would have to be routed around and across the driveline somewhere foreward of the tank.

Fahrenheit 451

Woof! At that point it seems like it would be almost as easy to do a 3.4 swap. I guess that pretty well shoots down the 2.7l theory. Thanks for the info!
Guess I should go back to surfing the net for v6s...

AH64ID

I gave this swap much thought, and I think a 3.4 would be a much easier swap. Exhaust is one of the big issues, you have to figure out how to get it to the driver side, with a v6 there is clearance for the crossover to go behind the engine, not true on a 4cyl..and you cant really plumb it down like a taco cuz there is a front driveshaft in the way. A 3.4 fits in the engine bay veryu easily, pretty much same dimensions as a 3.0, in fact you use a 3.0 oil pan, or a t100 oil pan...but anyways.

After doing some research there is more available for the 3.4 swap, and there will complete kits available sometime really soon. www.offroadsolutions.com Also a 3.4 gets comperable milage to my current 22re setup, with an ass load of more power...

So all in all swap a 3.4, much more economical and feasible.

Los Gatos?

You should take a nice, long look at a 5mge or 7mge swap. Either of those would get you at least 160 hp, decent gas mileage (as far as I understand) and be a much easier swap if you have a 5spd.

SpecializedBrder

or even better a 7mgte

DH6twinotter

would a 4runner's body/frame hold up to the stress of a 7mgte? Or, better yet, the newer twin turbo Supra I6 (whatever that engine is called)? Some guy at my school said 4Runner's couldn't even handle power from a 350. I don't think I believe that.

Just curious. Have fun all.
DH6twinotter

SpecializedBrder

In the latest issue of Sport compact car they had a 2nd Gen 4Runner flexing on a pole. It said it had the 7mgte in it...sooo if someones done it once before im sure it could be done again

distortedman

What if you move the gas tank
and the exhaust pipes to
the sides corresponding to 2.7


I think that the best spot for
the tank would be behind the
rear axle where the spare tire
is supposed to go


on a similar note, I was wondering
about the 2.4L that comes in the
2x4 tacomas, does anyone know
if that engine would go into an
older toy.

Los Gatos?

That was (I think) superrunner from 4x4wire. Yes, he has a 7mgte, but it's far from just an engine swap. As of right now I believe he has 100% custom drivetrain. Supra/22rte trans, dana axles, etc.... definitely not a "drop in."

Mudd Runna

I just found this site http://cnsmotors.com/product.htm and according to them, if I'm reading it right....a 7mgte 87-93 3.0 SUPRA TURBO TURBO DOHC 24V for only $695? Does anyone else find that alittle odd?

Mudd Runna

I can't wait to see what the guys over at offroadsolutions are going to set up for a complete 3.4 conversion kit....I would love to get more power from my truck as easily as possible....I was going to throw in a chevy 305, bought all the adapter parts from advanced adapters...then heard some stories and buddies telling me that my frame wouldn't hold up and that I'd blow my axle and a bunch of other stuff...So I sent everything back...lol....But of course I bought all adapters to keep my stock tranny and transfer and rear axle.....But the guy said as long as I didn't beat on it or romp on it too bad everything should of held up...Who knows....maybe I'll try it again someday...I've still got the motor sitting in my garage....lol

Krash

By looking at it the engine doesn't seem to be rebuild because alot of the engines on there contain the RBLT in the description. None of those supra's do.

SuperRunner

wohoo, I found another toyota forum.

Anyway, yeah, that was me in sport compact. I was down for the supra meet in vegas. Lots of fun.

Drivetrain is mostly custom. Custom bellhousing to bolt up the R151F tranny instead of an W56, which constantly break.

Around $700 for a motor is a good price. That is what I pay. I usually order a few at a time to get a better price on shipping.