Smoothest engine/tranny combo I have ever driven! Outdated?!

 

You say Numb Nuts I say Num Nuts, after sittin in a dealer waiting room for 4 hours for a 20 minute job a Toyota customer could piss me off to the point where they deserve to die

 

it is outdated and underpowered thats why the 05 the iforce will have vvti and although i cant remember but somewhere from 40 to 70 more HP.....

 

i think nissan dropped the ball when they discontinued the hardbody. how many companies have had a single body style span 10 years? the last i checked, a late 80s hardbody usually fetches more in the resale department than a late 80s toyota

 

It's outdated in the same way your 04 Tacoma is outdated

 

I had a 1992 Nissan Hardbody Ext. Cab 4x4 w/ 3.0 V-6 and 4.38 gears. It was an excellent truck. I cranked the torsion bars in front a tad and was able to fit 32x11.50's on it. It has a limited slip rear end and really did good off road.

However, I can tell my Tacoma has a better suspension. The Nissan 3.0 was rated at 154 h.p. and 180 ft lbs, about the same as my 2.7L (150-180) . It would light the 32's up from a Stop. My 2.7L won't even think about spinning the tires, so the torque from the Nissan 3.0 was far superior although the ratings are the same. My Tacoma would easily outrun the Nissan after 60 mph though. My Nissan wouldn't even go 100 mph, but my Tacoma goes 105 pretty easy.

 

(back on topic)

Some pics to compare...

Long bed





No long bed Frontier?




Short bed





Tacoma:

Vehicle Stability Control w/ Traction Control (VSC+TRAC) is available on all except X-Runner. 245 horsepower and 282 lb-ft. No mention of side bags or rear disc brakes? Will it still have an available rear locker?




Frontier:

265 horsepower and 284 lb-ft of torque

Available side bags. Standard 4 wheel disc brakes. Available advanced off-road traction systems and substantially enhanced overall off-road capability. (4-Wheel Limited-Slip (ALBS)?, just like TRAC). No mention of stability control.

Front seat




Rear seat





Dash








I'll take a Tacoma for the quality. Have to wait and see what the market/prices are like. But for a similarly equipped truck ... I guessing the Toyota will have a much higher demand and price.

 

The exterior shot of the Nissan above looks all kinds of wrong. And the back seat area looks too small for a double cab. Except for quality issues, I like the Titan over the (current) Tundra. But I'd take the new Tacoma over the new Frontier any day.

 

toyota cheaped out and gave the new tacoma rear drum brakes.

 

Drum brakes, rear locker is still available.


Yeah in one of the articles I read it stated something like "toyota says the drum brakes give it better stopping power."

I would rather have disc brakes... :pat:

 

Nissan looks like amateur hour compared to the Taco- but it always has been that way.
I cringe at how cheap the Frontier interior looks- and that's a publicity photo.

 

good call, firsttoy.

yea, i read that too slc punk, i think that was in road & track.

 

If you look at the Frontier front interior pic, the front passenger seat is very far foward, the headrest lines up with the B-pillar. It is in the same position in the rear pic. Move the front seat to a normal position, no room in the back seat.

The Frontier cargo area looks much smaller also. Total length is 205.5 inches, 125.9 wheel base.

Tacoma is about 207? 127.2-inch wheelbase with a 60.3-inch cargo bed.

 

Look at the interior pics-the Frontier back doors look like doggie-door openings

 

Edmunds state "crew cab models also offer optional full-length head curtain and front-seat side airbags. "

 

All i know is generally you try and make the vehicle look better, the "new" frontier front end looks like the one of a few years back, fugly. The tacoma will be the best looking truck out their still, because the only other new model for 2005 is the dakota and its really ugly.

 

Look at how flat the seats are in the Nissan, the Tacoma's look much more supportive and comfortable!

 

those aren't trucks, they're large cars with a bed on the end...

 

I thought the Taco always had rear drums?

 

doesn't really matters, its still un*beat*able