RAD4Runner's 1986 4Runner dlx Build-up
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Hey, Ray! Great thread, and better rig!
Would you mind posting some pics of your Pair and EGR systems? I bought my '86 Runner here in Menifee, CA and the PO began the EGR and PAIR delete. I think I have all the EGR system intact, but the PAIR system is gone. I've found parts for what I think I need, but every diagram I fond online shows the later setup where there is a pipe coming off the resonator going to the air filter box. The newer boxes have an elbow for that pipe to connect to, but mine does not.
Also, think you could help with a wiring issue? My left turn signal turns on solid (front and rear) when the headlights are turned on, and using it with the lights off causes the clock to flash. Any ideas?
Thanks!
Would you mind posting some pics of your Pair and EGR systems? I bought my '86 Runner here in Menifee, CA and the PO began the EGR and PAIR delete. I think I have all the EGR system intact, but the PAIR system is gone. I've found parts for what I think I need, but every diagram I fond online shows the later setup where there is a pipe coming off the resonator going to the air filter box. The newer boxes have an elbow for that pipe to connect to, but mine does not.
Also, think you could help with a wiring issue? My left turn signal turns on solid (front and rear) when the headlights are turned on, and using it with the lights off causes the clock to flash. Any ideas?
Thanks!
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Hey, Ray! Great thread, and better rig!
Would you mind posting some pics of your Pair and EGR systems?...
Also, think you could help with a wiring issue? My left turn signal turns on solid (front and rear) when the headlights are turned on, and using it with the lights off causes the clock to flash. Any ideas?
Would you mind posting some pics of your Pair and EGR systems?...
Also, think you could help with a wiring issue? My left turn signal turns on solid (front and rear) when the headlights are turned on, and using it with the lights off causes the clock to flash. Any ideas?
Pretty busy at work. When I get the chance to look at FSM for general idea of locations, I'll take pics.
Dang, I was driving between SD and Riverside this weekend; I cold have swung by
Lights seems to be a wiring issue. Does it happen both with taillights as well as headlights?
If it happens even with taillights only, I would suspect the rear socket that houses the dual-filament 1157; common pin goes to ground, 9W filament taillight, 23W filament is Turn signal.
Please start a "Turn Signals Troubleshooting Thread For First-Gen 4Runners" under 1986-1995 Trucks forum. We'll work on it there.
Try disconnecting the connector to the left taillights and let us know.
Possibly a tailer harness tapped into stock wiring. Those suck. Or a short in your dimmer-combo-turn-headlights stalk switch.
Cheers!
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Thanks but sorry, I'm not not exactly sure of where the Pair and EGR parts are, either. In fact, I'm wondering where the EGR cooler (if it exists) on the 1986 because a post says if it's clogged, hot exhaust would go into the intake - and might be a contributor to my one-time running hot issue that I'm still trying to monitor/troubleshoot.
Pretty busy at work. When I get the chance to look at FSM for general idea of locations, I'll take pics.
Pretty busy at work. When I get the chance to look at FSM for general idea of locations, I'll take pics.
All 22R or 22R-E engines that were equipped with an Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Valve has an EGR cooler plate located right on the back of the head, just below the "half moon" seal. There is coolant behind that plate, and thus cools the exhaust gases.
The EGR Cooler Plate looks like this:
Photo Source: 22RE Performance
Here is a little graphic 22RE Performance made of the EGR and Air Injection / Air Suction systems. Note: 22R-E engines did not get the Air Injection / Air Suction system until 1988.
If the EGR Cooler was blocked up by carbon, it would act just as if the EGR valve was stuck closed, and little to no flow should make it to the intake.
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Hi folks, I posted some updates on my running hot troubleshooting here. Would appreciate your thoughts.
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#1106
Thanks, Terrys87!
I'm concerned about leaving my lights on and draining the battery. Per FSM, the light reminder relay is supposed to be here, but I only see a mounting hole on mine, confirming my suspicion that the light reminder circuit was only available on SR5 first-gens. Therefore, one lazy afternoon, I got busy
The circuit is simple. It will energize when there is positive voltage from the tail light circuit AND ground via the the driver side door courtesy switch when door is opened. (When headlights are on, there is also power to tail light circuit.)
Parts & Equipment Needed:
POSITIVE side will be tapped into tail light circuit between the tail light relay and the 15-amp tail fuse here:Attachment 191727
GROUND side will be connected to the door courtesy switch ( provides ground when door is opened) here:Attachment 191728
Assembled circuit is shown here:Attachment 191729
To Install:
Remove Left hand dash panel that covers the instrument panel and holds the Clutch Safety Cancel switch.Attachment 191730
Attachment 191731
Wher to get positive 12V power
Remove left-hand kick panelAttachment 191732
Remove Tail Fuse (15A). Verify that left terminal (marked below) is the supply side by measuring +12V when tail light switch is in ON position, 0 volt when tail light switch is OFF. It is important that you connect to supply side of fuse so that IF headlight is on and even if tail fuse is blown, this will still power the reminder circuit.
NOTE: The cleaner method would be to solder it into the circuit in the back of the fuse block, which I would do later.
Slip red wire into supply side, and re-install fuse. Be careful that you do not cut strands that might fall on other circuits and cause shorts.Attachment 191733
NOTE: The cleaner method would be to solder it into the circuit in the back of the fuse block, which I would do later.
An option is to take positive voltage from this green wire (the section in yellow heat-shrink) that once supplied stock deck lamp circuit, but I disconnected in order to do my deck lamp retrofit. Verify that this green wire has 12V when, and only when, tail light is on.
Strip door courtesy switch wire at a convenient spot and connect ground side of circuit to that. Soldering then insulating with heat-shrink tubing or electrical tape is recommended.
Attachment 191734
Here's the circuit connected and properly labeled. Buzzer is stuck on fuse block with foam-backed tape. [Let us keep our wiring and and mods clean & properly documented to make it easy to troubleshoot or return to stock when needed/desired. This way our classic rigs can be considered improved, not molested. ]Attachment 191735
Route LED next to clutch safety cancel switch:
Attachment 191736
Drill hole and install LED indicator or LED bezel, as applicable, next to clutch safety cancel switch opening.Attachment 191737
Attachment 191738
Here is the LED mounted and lit when tested:Attachment 191739
Video of Test here.
I'm concerned about leaving my lights on and draining the battery. Per FSM, the light reminder relay is supposed to be here, but I only see a mounting hole on mine, confirming my suspicion that the light reminder circuit was only available on SR5 first-gens. Therefore, one lazy afternoon, I got busy
The circuit is simple. It will energize when there is positive voltage from the tail light circuit AND ground via the the driver side door courtesy switch when door is opened. (When headlights are on, there is also power to tail light circuit.)
Parts & Equipment Needed:
- Buzzer PN 273-059 from Radioshack. I used an overhand knot and ran lead wire through mounting hole for strain relief. Also affixed foam-backed double-sided tape for mounting.
- LED indicator light. (I used an LED lying around in my toolbox and appropriate resistor.) Easier to simply buy pre-assembled indicator LED light (i.e., from O'Reilly)
- AWG 20 wire,
- Heat Shrink
- Other basic electrical assembly tools & supply
POSITIVE side will be tapped into tail light circuit between the tail light relay and the 15-amp tail fuse here:Attachment 191727
GROUND side will be connected to the door courtesy switch ( provides ground when door is opened) here:Attachment 191728
Assembled circuit is shown here:Attachment 191729
To Install:
Remove Left hand dash panel that covers the instrument panel and holds the Clutch Safety Cancel switch.Attachment 191730
Attachment 191731
Wher to get positive 12V power
Remove left-hand kick panelAttachment 191732
Remove Tail Fuse (15A). Verify that left terminal (marked below) is the supply side by measuring +12V when tail light switch is in ON position, 0 volt when tail light switch is OFF. It is important that you connect to supply side of fuse so that IF headlight is on and even if tail fuse is blown, this will still power the reminder circuit.
NOTE: The cleaner method would be to solder it into the circuit in the back of the fuse block, which I would do later.
Slip red wire into supply side, and re-install fuse. Be careful that you do not cut strands that might fall on other circuits and cause shorts.Attachment 191733
NOTE: The cleaner method would be to solder it into the circuit in the back of the fuse block, which I would do later.
An option is to take positive voltage from this green wire (the section in yellow heat-shrink) that once supplied stock deck lamp circuit, but I disconnected in order to do my deck lamp retrofit. Verify that this green wire has 12V when, and only when, tail light is on.
Strip door courtesy switch wire at a convenient spot and connect ground side of circuit to that. Soldering then insulating with heat-shrink tubing or electrical tape is recommended.
Attachment 191734
Here's the circuit connected and properly labeled. Buzzer is stuck on fuse block with foam-backed tape. [Let us keep our wiring and and mods clean & properly documented to make it easy to troubleshoot or return to stock when needed/desired. This way our classic rigs can be considered improved, not molested. ]Attachment 191735
Route LED next to clutch safety cancel switch:
Attachment 191736
Drill hole and install LED indicator or LED bezel, as applicable, next to clutch safety cancel switch opening.Attachment 191737
Attachment 191738
Here is the LED mounted and lit when tested:Attachment 191739
Video of Test here.
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I was forced to do it the second time I discharged my battery from leaving headlights on.
Hoping you, Yota brethren and loved ones are well.
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Man I wish I knew about the light warning buzzer way back in high school with my 82 Tercel several times I got stranded with a dead battery.
hope all is well on your end also!
hope all is well on your end also!
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Audio System Upgrade - Better Bass LOL!
So funny that you can actually search for "flux capacitor" on O'Reilly Auto Parts website. LOL!
https://www.oreillyauto.com/
https://www.oreillyauto.com/
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DeLoreans only, no Toyotas,
Someday...
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Touching up/repainting
Juggling between cooling system and looking cool
I guess this project would be halfway between touching up and repainting, because I don't really want to spend too much time, money on total repaint nor inhale too much paint spray - proper respirators not available at stores .
Got some rust spots on roof so I sanded down rusted area down to bare, shiny, metal, with 100 grit sandpaper.. I applied Permatex rust converter to exposed metal for extra measure. Feathered that and sanded exposed good primer and good paint with 200 grit. Also did the rusted part of the windshield surround, because I was too lazy to paint over the POR-15 - That stuff is not UV-resistant.
FACTORY CODE SPRAY CANS, Toyota Paint Code 3D7: Approx $30 per 12-oz can
So far, I am very happy with Spray Max cans with hardener from Body Shop Supplies Lemon Grove, CA. I called order in for Toyota Paint Code 3D7, and picked it up after about an hour. Spray pattern is very clean and predictable. The only cause for failure would be my prep and application technique.
My only gripe is the instructions on can are not clear. There is pin and a push handle on bottom, but I had to go online for clear instructions to push hard on pin "until it pops".
BEFORE:
AFTER TWO COATS ON ROOF AND WINDSHIELD SURROUND:
AFTER FIRST COAT ON ROAD RASH ON FENDER.
I think the stock and oversprayed paint will match when I hit it with TR3 polish/cleaner.
i also think where I had to prime, it would have been better to feather the primer spray than to mask it. Should look better after a 2 more coats, though.
I plan to use same paint for the cap which has faded again.
I have used 2 cans, so far. A third can should finish up the main cab and fender touch-ups.
Another 2 cans for the fiberglas cap.
I guess this project would be halfway between touching up and repainting, because I don't really want to spend too much time, money on total repaint nor inhale too much paint spray - proper respirators not available at stores .
Got some rust spots on roof so I sanded down rusted area down to bare, shiny, metal, with 100 grit sandpaper.. I applied Permatex rust converter to exposed metal for extra measure. Feathered that and sanded exposed good primer and good paint with 200 grit. Also did the rusted part of the windshield surround, because I was too lazy to paint over the POR-15 - That stuff is not UV-resistant.
FACTORY CODE SPRAY CANS, Toyota Paint Code 3D7: Approx $30 per 12-oz can
So far, I am very happy with Spray Max cans with hardener from Body Shop Supplies Lemon Grove, CA. I called order in for Toyota Paint Code 3D7, and picked it up after about an hour. Spray pattern is very clean and predictable. The only cause for failure would be my prep and application technique.
My only gripe is the instructions on can are not clear. There is pin and a push handle on bottom, but I had to go online for clear instructions to push hard on pin "until it pops".
BEFORE:
AFTER TWO COATS ON ROOF AND WINDSHIELD SURROUND:
AFTER FIRST COAT ON ROAD RASH ON FENDER.
I think the stock and oversprayed paint will match when I hit it with TR3 polish/cleaner.
i also think where I had to prime, it would have been better to feather the primer spray than to mask it. Should look better after a 2 more coats, though.
I plan to use same paint for the cap which has faded again.
I have used 2 cans, so far. A third can should finish up the main cab and fender touch-ups.
Another 2 cans for the fiberglas cap.
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Fun stuff, Ray. Is there clearcoat on the original paint? I think not.
Agree, don’t mask primer. In fact, if the base paint is still well-adhered to the metal just scuff, and paint over it. Spot prime areas where sanding has gone thru to metal.
Also use wax and grease remover to clean panels before sanding to make sure you are not spreading contaminants around as you sand. Use it again before color. And yeah, all this is more fun with a decent respirator. I was pleased with the HF one i used on my bodywork, now out of stock as you suggest.
#1 tip- take the advice of the guys at the autobody supply store! They sure helped me get through the learning curve.
Agree, don’t mask primer. In fact, if the base paint is still well-adhered to the metal just scuff, and paint over it. Spot prime areas where sanding has gone thru to metal.
Also use wax and grease remover to clean panels before sanding to make sure you are not spreading contaminants around as you sand. Use it again before color. And yeah, all this is more fun with a decent respirator. I was pleased with the HF one i used on my bodywork, now out of stock as you suggest.
#1 tip- take the advice of the guys at the autobody supply store! They sure helped me get through the learning curve.
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#1116
That looks awesome Ray!
Was Permatex rust converter the only thing you used for primer?
I know there is also a 2K clearcoat available. A spray can paint job looks pretty appealing
Was Permatex rust converter the only thing you used for primer?
I know there is also a 2K clearcoat available. A spray can paint job looks pretty appealing
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For sealing the gutter seam, Try to find flowable seam sealer or one with very thin applicator tip. I bought AC Delco seam sealer but it is hard to get it into the A-pillar gutter on driver side, is very messy (masked surrounding area and I used my backpacking white gas and and rag to quickly wipe down stains). Where I was able to apply on passenger side, it is taking forever to cure.
An option I am thinking of is:
1) Prime and paint inside gutter as usual,
2) Properly mask, then Flow flowable silicone into any crevices,
3) While flowable silicone is tacky, FILL the gutter with Dow 995.
The gutter is pointless, and only means trouble because it causes rust. The roof gutter construction is also poor. Worn out seam seal caused leak into my cabin.
I do not see any problem with newer vehicles without it. In fact Arlindsay (AlexmandVideos on Youtube) removed his A=pillar rain gutter.
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