Wet Traction with BFG T/A KO's?
#21
X I beat you.
I've had 5 sets on 4 different trucks. Yes I'll buy them again. Best mileage was about 65k and I still sold them with 7/32 inch tread left. The compound does seem to get harder after a couple years use, which compromises wet traction. But for the first couple years (and maybe 30-50k miles) it is definitely very good on road manners. Are there better street tires? Of course, and there are better off road (mud) tires too. But I think its a tough combination to beat. You get what you pay for.
BTW: I have Nitto terra-grapplers on my F350. They're slightly quieter and are wearing quite well. If you off-road less then I'd consider those as well.
I've had 5 sets on 4 different trucks. Yes I'll buy them again. Best mileage was about 65k and I still sold them with 7/32 inch tread left. The compound does seem to get harder after a couple years use, which compromises wet traction. But for the first couple years (and maybe 30-50k miles) it is definitely very good on road manners. Are there better street tires? Of course, and there are better off road (mud) tires too. But I think its a tough combination to beat. You get what you pay for.
BTW: I have Nitto terra-grapplers on my F350. They're slightly quieter and are wearing quite well. If you off-road less then I'd consider those as well.
I can't think of a better recommendation than that. They do seem to be the perfect combo of decent on-road grip and off-road traction. This will be the first set of truck tires I've ever bought so I wanted something good. Nitto TG's are very high on my list as well, because my truck spends more time on pavement than dirt. I wonder if the Nitto's would make the ride a little more forgiving in my truck? The TRD suspension rides kinda rough in the Tacoma.
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#23
I'm guessing that maybe the bigger channels on the mud tire allow more water to pass through? In any case I don't drive through mud so I would be wasting a perfectly good set of KM's if I bought them.
That's gotta be a little unsettling that your BMW tires hydroplane so easily, how much tread is left on them?
That's gotta be a little unsettling that your BMW tires hydroplane so easily, how much tread is left on them?
The BMW tires as they sit now:
#24
That still looks like a decent amount of tread left, and those are all-season tires right? I had Bridgestone Potenzas on my GTI and they were excellent on dry pavement but kinda sucked in the rain. Luckily German cars are kinda porky so I think that helps to resist hydroplaning. What kind of BMW do you have? My brother recently bought a 135i, it's a blast to drive.
#27
BFGs don't have the hydroplane resistance of the TGs I have and I have experience on both tires as I spent the a good part of the last 15 years on BFGs on a few Toyotas.
Nittos actually have defined water evac channels while the BFGs do not and by looking at them it's obvious.
Alot of people say BFGs don't hydroplane at all;all tires will hydroplane at some point and the Nittos have a higher threshhold in that department thus IMO equals a bigger margin of error in the event of hydroplaning.
On snow they are pretty close but the Nittos seem to keep the rearend in line better in a slide situation.
I demand alot from tires on-road since my Runner is my DD and the Nittos have much better wet control and are pretty much the same off road and cost about $100 less per set so my choice was a no-brainer for me.
BFGs kick ass offroad and probably have the edge in durability (also the best sidewall lettering period) but on-road they are a so-so tire and aren't the best for DD duty.
Nittos actually have defined water evac channels while the BFGs do not and by looking at them it's obvious.
Alot of people say BFGs don't hydroplane at all;all tires will hydroplane at some point and the Nittos have a higher threshhold in that department thus IMO equals a bigger margin of error in the event of hydroplaning.
On snow they are pretty close but the Nittos seem to keep the rearend in line better in a slide situation.
I demand alot from tires on-road since my Runner is my DD and the Nittos have much better wet control and are pretty much the same off road and cost about $100 less per set so my choice was a no-brainer for me.
BFGs kick ass offroad and probably have the edge in durability (also the best sidewall lettering period) but on-road they are a so-so tire and aren't the best for DD duty.
#28
#29
BFGs don't have the hydroplane resistance of the TGs I have and I have experience on both tires as I spent the a good part of the last 15 years on BFGs on a few Toyotas.
Nittos actually have defined water evac channels while the BFGs do not and by looking at them it's obvious.
Alot of people say BFGs don't hydroplane at all;all tires will hydroplane at some point and the Nittos have a higher threshhold in that department thus IMO equals a bigger margin of error in the event of hydroplaning.
On snow they are pretty close but the Nittos seem to keep the rearend in line better in a slide situation.
I demand alot from tires on-road since my Runner is my DD and the Nittos have much better wet control and are pretty much the same off road and cost about $100 less per set so my choice was a no-brainer for me.
BFGs kick ass offroad and probably have the edge in durability (also the best sidewall lettering period) but on-road they are a so-so tire and aren't the best for DD duty.
Nittos actually have defined water evac channels while the BFGs do not and by looking at them it's obvious.
Alot of people say BFGs don't hydroplane at all;all tires will hydroplane at some point and the Nittos have a higher threshhold in that department thus IMO equals a bigger margin of error in the event of hydroplaning.
On snow they are pretty close but the Nittos seem to keep the rearend in line better in a slide situation.
I demand alot from tires on-road since my Runner is my DD and the Nittos have much better wet control and are pretty much the same off road and cost about $100 less per set so my choice was a no-brainer for me.
BFGs kick ass offroad and probably have the edge in durability (also the best sidewall lettering period) but on-road they are a so-so tire and aren't the best for DD duty.
You're making a really good case for the Nitto TG's, I would have to say it will probably come down to what my local Discount Tire has in stock and what price they have each brand listed for. I wouldn't mind paying more for a better tire, but if the Nitto's are right up there in quality and can handle some off-road fun then why not? You're right about the lettering on the BFG's, they look awesome. The AT T/A KO is such a proven tire, but like you said, it's better suited for rocks and dirt. My truck is my DD as well, so it needs to be somewhat comfortable and safe.
What is this 'snow' you speak of??!!
#30
Tracker 2
Be very careful with Goodyear tracker 2 tires. I recently had to purchase new tires while on a hunting trip and the only tires available for my truck in stock within a 100 miles were Goodyear tracker 2s. I had preferred and inteded to buy better tires but was stuck buying whatever I could find due to a pipe on loggin road slashing 2 of my other tires.
While driving last week on the interstate, I was incurred light rain and then hit a heavy rain area and as I proceeded up an over pass on the interstate my truck fish tailed and proceeded to a hydroplane and ended in a very bad crash head on into the concrete side rail on the top of the interstate over pass. My life was likely saved by an 18 wheeler who recognized that I was hydroplanning and proceeded to imeediately block all oncoming traffic with his truck. I have been driving for 35 plus years and have never experienced any hydroplane incident resulting in loss of control. The 911 emergency rescue personel and state police both informed me that it was a combination of the way the rain drained down the over pass and the design of the tread on the tires lacking ability to shed and cut through the water on the road. I am very lucky to be alive, and I will change those tires as soon as the truck is repaired and never use a tired without treads designed to shed water again.
While driving last week on the interstate, I was incurred light rain and then hit a heavy rain area and as I proceeded up an over pass on the interstate my truck fish tailed and proceeded to a hydroplane and ended in a very bad crash head on into the concrete side rail on the top of the interstate over pass. My life was likely saved by an 18 wheeler who recognized that I was hydroplanning and proceeded to imeediately block all oncoming traffic with his truck. I have been driving for 35 plus years and have never experienced any hydroplane incident resulting in loss of control. The 911 emergency rescue personel and state police both informed me that it was a combination of the way the rain drained down the over pass and the design of the tread on the tires lacking ability to shed and cut through the water on the road. I am very lucky to be alive, and I will change those tires as soon as the truck is repaired and never use a tired without treads designed to shed water again.
#31
Being that you're in the Republic of Texas, you should be fine. If you were in Seattle I could suggest another maker. But, you're in a dry climate. They're too good to pass up unless you live in a location that is in shallow water often, i.e. Seattle. I avoid puddles with my BFG A/T's, I've never been so timid with a tire in the rain in my entire life.
#32
Tracker 2
I do not live in Texas, but rather south LA and it is far from dry. Those tires are the worst tires that I have ever had for wet road conditions. But again, I was stuck buying them the day after christmas because I was hunting in MS and cut 2 tires on a pipe on a logging road. We searched everywhere within a 100 mile radius for 4 tires to fit my truck and ended at a Walmart buying the Tracker 2s to get me through the week of hunting. I should have changed them immediately when I returned home. The only good thing was that after the tires were replaced and I got back to my camp and hooked up my 4 wheeler, I killed the biggest buck of our club last year about 20 minutes before dark. I am a Michelin fan and strong believer that good tires are essential to avoiding horrible hydroplanning. I have never had any hydroplane experience that ended up out of control other than the one with the tracker 2s.
#33
How is it possible a wider tire does better in the rain. This does not make sense to me at all, especially seeing as it is 2am after St. Paddy's.
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