Anyone running the Michelin LTX AT2?
#22
i have the at/2 tire on my 97 4r in a 265/75/16 size.... i have no complaints really, it does what it needs to do and it does it well... the only thing is i have grown tired of its wimpy soccer mom suv tire look....
#24
Just got a new set of Yokohama Geolander AT for my 03 Tacoma Double Cab Prerunner. They replaced BFG AT and they make a noticeable difference in noise as well as gas milage. I would say the Geo AT are comparable to the BFG rugged trails, although the side walls are not as strong they are still nice tires. I am happy with my choice.
#25
For me, less than a mile per gallon. I did go from 265/70r16 Michelin LTX M/S to 285/75r16 Michelin LTX A/T, a heavier, taller tire. Mileage is adjusted for size difference and is an average, I've been keeping track of my mileage since 2/06.
#26
Reviving this old thread, but...
I recently purchased a new set of Michelin LTX AT2, and couldn't be happier. Based upon Tire Rack reviews/ratings, Consumer Reports reviews, fourwheeler.com reviews, and pricing/availability, I narrowed my choices down to the Firestone Destination A/T and Michelin LTX AT2.
Between these two, I actually leaned towards the Firestone on tire tread design -- my truck being a primarily daily driver (city) with a weekend or two a month offroad/dirt/stone road. Firestone's tread looks to be geared more asphalt w/ offroad capability than Michelin whose tread looks to take the all terrain category more seriously...
However, I decided to go with the Michelin for a couple reasons:
1) My truck's been running the previous generation Michelin LTX AT's for ~70k miles and tread has at least another 15k on them (but the previous owner bought them new in 2005 but they're 2001 production so rubber is on its last legs despite remaining tread depth -- sidewalls starting to rot and tread is hardening and slips more often on slick surfaces).
2) I run 31x10.5 r15s currently and just 3 of the manufacturer's I was initially considering actually honor/have treadlife warranties on the LT tires -- Michelin (60k), BF Goodrich (50k), and Yokohama (50k). Firestone, Bridgestone, and Kuhmo do not. Goodyear (50k) does as well, but wasn't in my consideration.
3) Apples to apples the cost of Michelin's is essentially the same as Firestone's and included a mileage warranty, an American (vs Mexican) made tire, and arguably a more robust and reliable tire with a great road hazard warranty (Costco's).
This pricing for Firestones is for mounted, with road hazard warranty, lifetime of tire balance, free rotation, etc (most fee add ons), at the Firestone service center with a $100 discount -- $50 for sale, and $50 for using Firestone card -- I have lifetime alignment here already too.
And this pricing is for Michelins at Costco with their free road hazard warranty, free lifetime balance and rotation, free nitrogen inflation, mounting and disposal fees, and a $70 discount coupon.
Basically, with Firestone, tires are cheaper but you get no warranty and a bunch of extra fees. With Costco, the tires are more expensive, but the only fee you pay is $15 install and a couple bucks disposal fee per tire.
Anyway, it's a super capable tire. The only place with this tire, being located in south central Texas without real winters, that could see improvement would be with mud. But no A/T tire is going to perform like a mud tire in mud, nor would I recommend or want to try to safely run a mud tire on my daily driver. (I consider most M/S tires to be winter, not offroad mud tires...)
And to the Michelin A/T2 vs the M/S, Michelin has a handy summary of their own performance numbers (as does tire rack). Michelin says the M/S and A/T are equal on treadlife and fuel efficiency; however, the AT2 is much better off road and slightly better on braking, with the M/S slightly better on comfort. Obviously, the M/S should be better in snow and ice, but looking at Tire Rack, it never surpasses the A/T2 in any survey category except for treadwear and if someone would buy again.
http://www.michelinman.com/tire-sele...10.50/15/tires
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/CompareTires.jsp
Why not the BFG rugged- or all- terrain tires? I don't care for the tread design, or their sidewall appearance, they're louder than Firestone and Michelin (according to surveys), and frankly, don't appear to be as effective in their niches as their closest direct competitors in my final list -- Firestone Destination vs BFG Rugged Terrain T/A, and Michelin A/T vs BFG All Terrain T/A KO. And at Costco with $70 Michelin coupon, the Michelin set of 4 cost just $22 more than the BFG rugged terrain.
And lastly, I was interested in Cooper Discoverer A/T3s based upon fourwheeler and Consumer Reports reviews, but they don't offer the tires in LT High Flotation sizing. EDIT: CD's now available in 31x10.5r15.
Bottom line, by the pocketbook and by the tire, I feel like the Michelin A/T2 is a winner for my needs.
I recently purchased a new set of Michelin LTX AT2, and couldn't be happier. Based upon Tire Rack reviews/ratings, Consumer Reports reviews, fourwheeler.com reviews, and pricing/availability, I narrowed my choices down to the Firestone Destination A/T and Michelin LTX AT2.
Between these two, I actually leaned towards the Firestone on tire tread design -- my truck being a primarily daily driver (city) with a weekend or two a month offroad/dirt/stone road. Firestone's tread looks to be geared more asphalt w/ offroad capability than Michelin whose tread looks to take the all terrain category more seriously...
However, I decided to go with the Michelin for a couple reasons:
1) My truck's been running the previous generation Michelin LTX AT's for ~70k miles and tread has at least another 15k on them (but the previous owner bought them new in 2005 but they're 2001 production so rubber is on its last legs despite remaining tread depth -- sidewalls starting to rot and tread is hardening and slips more often on slick surfaces).
2) I run 31x10.5 r15s currently and just 3 of the manufacturer's I was initially considering actually honor/have treadlife warranties on the LT tires -- Michelin (60k), BF Goodrich (50k), and Yokohama (50k). Firestone, Bridgestone, and Kuhmo do not. Goodyear (50k) does as well, but wasn't in my consideration.
3) Apples to apples the cost of Michelin's is essentially the same as Firestone's and included a mileage warranty, an American (vs Mexican) made tire, and arguably a more robust and reliable tire with a great road hazard warranty (Costco's).
This pricing for Firestones is for mounted, with road hazard warranty, lifetime of tire balance, free rotation, etc (most fee add ons), at the Firestone service center with a $100 discount -- $50 for sale, and $50 for using Firestone card -- I have lifetime alignment here already too.
And this pricing is for Michelins at Costco with their free road hazard warranty, free lifetime balance and rotation, free nitrogen inflation, mounting and disposal fees, and a $70 discount coupon.
Basically, with Firestone, tires are cheaper but you get no warranty and a bunch of extra fees. With Costco, the tires are more expensive, but the only fee you pay is $15 install and a couple bucks disposal fee per tire.
Anyway, it's a super capable tire. The only place with this tire, being located in south central Texas without real winters, that could see improvement would be with mud. But no A/T tire is going to perform like a mud tire in mud, nor would I recommend or want to try to safely run a mud tire on my daily driver. (I consider most M/S tires to be winter, not offroad mud tires...)
And to the Michelin A/T2 vs the M/S, Michelin has a handy summary of their own performance numbers (as does tire rack). Michelin says the M/S and A/T are equal on treadlife and fuel efficiency; however, the AT2 is much better off road and slightly better on braking, with the M/S slightly better on comfort. Obviously, the M/S should be better in snow and ice, but looking at Tire Rack, it never surpasses the A/T2 in any survey category except for treadwear and if someone would buy again.
http://www.michelinman.com/tire-sele...10.50/15/tires
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/CompareTires.jsp
Why not the BFG rugged- or all- terrain tires? I don't care for the tread design, or their sidewall appearance, they're louder than Firestone and Michelin (according to surveys), and frankly, don't appear to be as effective in their niches as their closest direct competitors in my final list -- Firestone Destination vs BFG Rugged Terrain T/A, and Michelin A/T vs BFG All Terrain T/A KO. And at Costco with $70 Michelin coupon, the Michelin set of 4 cost just $22 more than the BFG rugged terrain.
And lastly, I was interested in Cooper Discoverer A/T3s based upon fourwheeler and Consumer Reports reviews, but they don't offer the tires in LT High Flotation sizing. EDIT: CD's now available in 31x10.5r15.
Bottom line, by the pocketbook and by the tire, I feel like the Michelin A/T2 is a winner for my needs.
Last edited by RSR; Dec 30, 2013 at 01:58 AM.
#27
Here's the pricing breakdown between firestone and michelin mentioned above -- had to locate the estimate and bill:
Firestone Destination A/T 31x10.5 R15 @ Firestone Complete Auto Care
-4 Tires @ $146.99=$587.96
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Wheel Balance Parts @ $2.99 = $11.96
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Wheel Balance Labor @ $12.00 = $48.00
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Rubber Valve @ $4.00 = $16.00
-4 Road Hazard Protection (valid until 2/32s" treadlife remaining with remaining treadlife percentage prorated) @ $20.58 = $82.32
-4 Tire Recycling at $2.50 = $10.00
-4 Tires Installed = Free
-4 Lifetime Tire Rotation = Free
-Nitrogen Inflation = Not Available
-Treadwear Mileage Warranty = Not Available
TOTAL: $762.24 + tax
And at the time there was a $50 buy 4 and $50 if financing on Firestone card discount for the real cost of $662.24 + tax (if not financing through Firestone, cost was $712.24).
Michelin LTX A/T2 31x10.5 R15 @ Costco
-4 Tires @ $178.99=$715.96
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Wheel Balance Parts = Free
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Wheel Balance Labor = Free
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Rubber Valve = Free
-4 Road Hazard Protection (valid until 2/32s" treadlife remaining with remaining treadlife percentage prorated) = Free
-4 Tire Recycling at $1.00 = $4.00
-4 Tires Installed @ $14 = $56.00
-4 Lifetime Tire Rotation = Free
-Nitrogen Inflation = Included
-Treadwear Mileage Warranty = 60,000 miles
TOTAL: $775.96 + tax
And at the time there was a $70 coupon for the real cost of $705.96 + tax.
Firestone Destination A/T 31x10.5 R15 @ Firestone Complete Auto Care
-4 Tires @ $146.99=$587.96
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Wheel Balance Parts @ $2.99 = $11.96
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Wheel Balance Labor @ $12.00 = $48.00
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Rubber Valve @ $4.00 = $16.00
-4 Road Hazard Protection (valid until 2/32s" treadlife remaining with remaining treadlife percentage prorated) @ $20.58 = $82.32
-4 Tire Recycling at $2.50 = $10.00
-4 Tires Installed = Free
-4 Lifetime Tire Rotation = Free
-Nitrogen Inflation = Not Available
-Treadwear Mileage Warranty = Not Available
TOTAL: $762.24 + tax
And at the time there was a $50 buy 4 and $50 if financing on Firestone card discount for the real cost of $662.24 + tax (if not financing through Firestone, cost was $712.24).
Michelin LTX A/T2 31x10.5 R15 @ Costco
-4 Tires @ $178.99=$715.96
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Wheel Balance Parts = Free
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Wheel Balance Labor = Free
-4 Lifetime (of Tires) Rubber Valve = Free
-4 Road Hazard Protection (valid until 2/32s" treadlife remaining with remaining treadlife percentage prorated) = Free
-4 Tire Recycling at $1.00 = $4.00
-4 Tires Installed @ $14 = $56.00
-4 Lifetime Tire Rotation = Free
-Nitrogen Inflation = Included
-Treadwear Mileage Warranty = 60,000 miles
TOTAL: $775.96 + tax
And at the time there was a $70 coupon for the real cost of $705.96 + tax.
Last edited by RSR; May 29, 2013 at 09:41 PM.
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