http://www.petitiononline.com/ifs/petition.html

hey i can dream all day long

 

I signed that several years ago.

 

Not gonna happen, and to be honest, there are some significant errors and exaggeration in the petition that defeat its credibility.

Toyota's IFS is more capable than the web-wheelers on here, TTORA, and Pirate give it credit for and is more suitable for 99.999% of the US population than SFA would ever be.

It would make much more sense to start a petition for Toyota to bring the diesels that they sell throughout the world to the USA in the interest of saving fuel and the potential for using renewable sources like biodiesel.

 

WORD.

 

yeah i know about the ifs i got a tacoma with no sway bar on and open open and it goes places but some of the other things like deisels and manny trannys in alot of there trucks is dissapointing why cant they just make a plain old fashioned work truck like they used to and still do in australia and other parts

 

Mister TC, couldn't have said it better myself.

 

I would love the diesel if my 3.4 ever pooped out

 

Theres a petition for that as well...

http://www.petitiononline.com/TOYD4D/petition.html


And I think it could be worked out where Toyota released an "offroad" package where you get a solid front axle and f/r lockers. That way both parties are happy, IFS for the mall crawlers and SFA for harcore 4x4's.

 

But here's the thing - the people who NEED a SFA have the means to do a swap, and however it comes from the factory will need modification anyways!

Basically, what you want is an '85 truck or 4Runner, right? Well, guess what - the people who NEED (I mean REALLY NEED) a SFA for rockcrawling start with a SFA Toy and then cut all the spring hangers and steering off, move it, and replace it. It is really not much extra work to SAS an IFS rig for them.

 

I wish Toyota had gone all the way with the new FJ. They already offer enough IFS SUV type vehicles for the "average Americans" out there.

4Runner, Highlander, Tacoma and the rest.

Why not just have ONE vehicle that comes with a straight front axle? I am sure Jeep has no problem selling their vehicles to non-dirt loving customers. Just seems that the heritage the FJ line has would have been better represented with a vehicle that could match the Rubicon off the showroom floor.

Even if the IFS is capable, seems to me that a factory linked truck has lot's of potential. Most of the straight axle swapped FJ's are having a lot of headaches resolving all the electronics from the original IFS. A Rubi owner just starts buying off the shelf parts and really steps up their vehicles capabilities very quickly.

 

I agree with TC, I belive the only reasons the haven't brought the diesels to the U.S. is Emissions. I believe they will eventually.
The SFA isn't needed as much as we all get caught in the bubble of saying that is the best route. The SFA doesn't help Pappy drive to the tractor company or drive granny to the doctor,nor does it help the Mom pic the kids up from soccer practice or get the grocereies. LIke TC said that is the majority of American market doesn't wheel their vehicle.
Majority = Money, that is what their all in it for.

 

Emissions could not be the problem for not having diesels brought to America. Diesels are far more clean burning than gas engines. The exhaust out of a diesel is basically all water vapor. However people in this country are stupid and associate diesels with big "ozone killing" trucks, hence talk to most Californians (so glad i go to school outside the People's Republic of California) and they'll tell ya diesel engines aren't "green" enough. Since toyota is going for the whole "green" nonsense like honda they cant have all the liberals here, there selling audiance with cars like the prius POS, thinking there company is killing the environment. I had a discussion with some old friends about this from Cali and they where all convinced that diesels and anything not powered by a dam $10,000 battery killed the environment. I also think alot of people don't like the sound of a diesel for just a get around town DD.

The diesel option would be a great package for toyota to offer, very reliable long lasting engines, and you just gotta love extra the torque of a diesel. But the progression of toyota vehicles seem to favor the soccer moms who outnumber 4 wheelers many times over. Like said above the majority of toyota owners don't offroad. I guess my only real complaint with the IFS is those weak CV joints. 3 of the 4 people I know who wheel there 4runners/tacos have broken them at least once. I wish they were stronger somehow. With gentle driving i hope to preserve mine.

 

Have you ever 'wheeled with a STOCK Rubicon (or any Jeep for that matter)?

They flex WORSE than a STOCK FJC, Taco, or 3rd+ gen 4Runner.

Admittedly, they can increase the capabilities dramatically for a relatively small sum of money, but spend what the people who really 'wheel their Jeeps and NEED SFA on an FJ, and the capabilities will be back to more equivalent.

As for the diesels, I think the different sulfur levels in the fuel between the US and EU were a significant problem. Now that ours has been lowered to the same as theirs, these excuses should be evaporating and we should see more diesels in the US.

About the sound and smoke ... I travel to Europe for work a couple times a year, and diesels have made great strides, to where you can hardly even notice the cars are diesels.

 

I would like to agree on the plain jane truck but the solid axle has been discontinued most everywhere. Including Australia. But the diesels on the other hand are extremely good and popular. They don't smoke hardly at all and I have seen first hand about their power and smooth running abilities as I imported one and put it in my truck. Does not smoke AT ALL. I'm sure if they put that little emissions thing on that the new Cummins and Ford and Duramaxes have they would be very clean. They have a diesel for every size range as well. For the Tundra they have the 4.5L V8 diesel good for 461 lb ft. They have the 3.0L D4D for trucks like we have and they have smaller D4Ds for the cars and stuff. And the D4D has much more power than my 3.0L TD has and is common rail. I just can not understand why they are not here. But if Toyota came out with a plain jane solid axle non ADD crap shift it in and out when things line up diesel I'd definately be getting one.

 

All I am saying is that a factory straight axle vehicle is generally easier to modify for better offroad capability with less complexity. Slapping a straight axle under an FJ or newer 4Runner is a major task. Adding a different link setup to a Rubicon is "simple".

If the FJ has come with a straight axle, it would have been one less thing to worry about if someone really wanted to go off the deep end. It would be nice to have a compromise towards the offroad side of things as opposed to the Soccer Mom side of things.

I don't bash IFS, I have seen plenty of capable IFS rigs do some very difficult trails. Just went last weekend with BLKNBLU who drove a basically stock 1st Gen 4Runner and cleaned basically everything the built rigs did. I do think most can agree that ultimately IFS will have it's limitations, when a straight axle will not.

A straight axle FJ would still sell well. My guess is that 95% of the people who buy an FJ or 4Runner for that matter would have no idea whether it was a straight axle or IFS unless the salesman pointed it out.

I just think if any Toyota could have really been successful with a straight axle it would have been the FJ.

 

you want a diesel? come to belize, and talk to a menanite or a BIG belize toyota shop. im getting a 3.0 turbo D with an intercooler

 

what i would like to see is wat toyota pickups originally were they had almost all the features and sometimes more then a fullsize just in a smaller package. toyotas were the only truck its size with solid front axles. all im saying is i want all the features of an f250 but with toyota reliability and strength plus a boxed frame which is what it used to be like