best toyota engine?
12-18-2005, 12:00 PM
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Here is an interesting tidbit about the 22RE:
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In 1985 Toysport raced a 22RE Toyota Celica GTS in the Macao Grand Prix. The original plan was to use an 18RG, but since the vehicle had US serial #'s (from Toyota Motorsport) we were forced to use the U.S. engine the 22RE! To the entertainment of the other Toyota Teams from Japan, we qualified at the last minute, in the last half of the grid. The other Celicas (with their Twin Cams) were all in the top 6 positions. At the finish the Toysport Celica placed 3rd- behind 2 BMW Motorsport prepared 6 cylinder BMWs! This is the highest finish achieved by the 22RE in international racing competition.
12-18-2005, 03:41 PM
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09-23-2007, 06:42 AM
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110% 22re... by far the most reliable motor ever used.. not alot of extra power but can be fixed with gearing and aftermarket parts/turbo. will never be a 2jz but still a VERY strong motor... i just rolled over 300k about 2 months ago in a 94 22re. i bought it at 160k in 98. i have ran the piss out of this truck. i actully got 3rd place in the local mud runs at orlando speed way in the 4 and 6 class. the motors just a beast. i can honestly say this truck has spent most of its life in mud bumper high and lakes about the same running 6grand and power shifting up and down the slip my way through muck.. it hasnt let me down yet!! i also have owned a 3.0 it blew up on me at 150k and there not cheap to replace and a pain to work on. and i have owned a jeep straight 6 and it was also a good motor but not as reliable i would say! i have owned a few others but they dont fit in to this class so ill leave them out..
09-23-2007, 09:57 AM
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The thing is severely overbuilt from the factory. If left stock or modded mildly it would have ridiculous reliability. People increase the hp output 1.5X to 2X with no ill effects. 350 hp on a 3.4 would be nice with "minor" modifications.
09-23-2007, 10:08 AM
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For a small car, the 4AGE = best engine ever. Most reliable, rev to 7500 rpms, and more recently 8300 rpms (japanese market 20v) or 10,500 rpms (in race trim). Plenty of sand buggies use these engines.
For a midsize vehicle, the 3SG/2JZG engines are hard to beat.
For a truck or large sedan, the 1UZ/2UZ engines are unbeatable. 5VZ is good too, but IMO it's not worthwhile to swap this into a truck, as you can already buy a truck with one in it. If you're going to swap an engine, why not do a v8?
All of these engines listed will not fail under normal operating conditions. IOW, if you never run them dry of oil or coolant and always change your oil somewhat regularly, they will never never never break. They will never blow head gaskets. The valvetrains will never let go. The mains and rod bearings will never fail.
...yes, there are some exceptions, I've done my share of 4AG head gaskets, but any head gasket that's been in service for 200k miles and 20+ years is allowed to die. On modified engines, things do fail, but on a stock application, or a mild swap, these things are all bulletproof. Even under hard use.
Choose your hp/tq requirements, then swap the complete engine into your vehicle, including ECM and fuel pump, and you're good to go, forever.
There are plenty of 1UZ/LS400 cars out there with 3-400k miles, with the only failures being external: ps pump leaking, taking out the alternator, or starters getting tired. Perhaps an occasional coil failure. That's all. And you can buy these things supercheap too, because of the low failure rates, nobody buys them to 'repair' their vehicles.
For a midsize vehicle, the 3SG/2JZG engines are hard to beat.
For a truck or large sedan, the 1UZ/2UZ engines are unbeatable. 5VZ is good too, but IMO it's not worthwhile to swap this into a truck, as you can already buy a truck with one in it. If you're going to swap an engine, why not do a v8?
All of these engines listed will not fail under normal operating conditions. IOW, if you never run them dry of oil or coolant and always change your oil somewhat regularly, they will never never never break. They will never blow head gaskets. The valvetrains will never let go. The mains and rod bearings will never fail.
...yes, there are some exceptions, I've done my share of 4AG head gaskets, but any head gasket that's been in service for 200k miles and 20+ years is allowed to die. On modified engines, things do fail, but on a stock application, or a mild swap, these things are all bulletproof. Even under hard use.
Choose your hp/tq requirements, then swap the complete engine into your vehicle, including ECM and fuel pump, and you're good to go, forever.
There are plenty of 1UZ/LS400 cars out there with 3-400k miles, with the only failures being external: ps pump leaking, taking out the alternator, or starters getting tired. Perhaps an occasional coil failure. That's all. And you can buy these things supercheap too, because of the low failure rates, nobody buys them to 'repair' their vehicles.
09-23-2007, 06:33 PM
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I would really like to see this in an all site poll on the front page of the site. im not sure who to talk to about it but if anyone knows who the one to mention it to would be i think someone should bring it up. i would like to see a large number of people vote. and it seems everyone has there own specific reason for the love behind there motor preference. it also nice to hear the story behind the reason good topic also to the poster of the thread!!!
09-23-2007, 07:20 PM
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There are so many things wrong with this sentance. The 20/22R(E) may not be a monster in terms of power, but Shivy has never made a motor that is anywhere near as reliable. I'd say that since maybe 69, GM/shivy has been churning out disposable garbage vehicles.
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09-26-2007, 12:50 AM
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I do not agree the 4.0 is superior based on the simple fact that I don't believe an aluminum block is a good idea on a truck. I've seen my share of warped aluminum blocks. Sure it makes more power, but there is more to a truck engine than power, especially when we are talking about Toyotas.
03-27-2011, 02:49 PM
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22R - 22RE
Sold a 93 with 465,000 on the original motor! My 94 has 257,000 on the original motor and my 82 currently has 368,000.
I see a lot of motors coming in to the shop with well over 250,000 miles still in great shape. I cannot say the same for the 3.0 and 3.4 series. I work in a shop that deals with both the 22R - 22RE and the 3.0 - 3.4. I can build and machine any of these motors at cost. I wish the 3.0 and 3.4 had a better record in my experience! If they did I would be running them in my rigs.
Sold a 93 with 465,000 on the original motor! My 94 has 257,000 on the original motor and my 82 currently has 368,000.
I see a lot of motors coming in to the shop with well over 250,000 miles still in great shape. I cannot say the same for the 3.0 and 3.4 series. I work in a shop that deals with both the 22R - 22RE and the 3.0 - 3.4. I can build and machine any of these motors at cost. I wish the 3.0 and 3.4 had a better record in my experience! If they did I would be running them in my rigs.
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