View Poll Results: what Air filter are you using?
Amsoil



131
25.14%
K&N



179
34.36%
TRD



26
4.99%
Stock Paper



158
30.33%
other



27
5.18%
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Which air filter?
#21
Originally posted by Dr. Zhivago
I use an AFE Filter. They make the filters for TRD, so I'm using a TRD but without the name. No problems.
Dr. Z
I use an AFE Filter. They make the filters for TRD, so I'm using a TRD but without the name. No problems.
Dr. Z
http://www.afefilters.com/merchant2/..._Code=10-10019
my filter is a flat rectangle... not a circle
#23
Originally posted by Gadget
This is a big mystery don't you think???
Lets think about this for a second....
I may not be a real smart man, but I would think that there is a lot of air moving or blowing through the intake ducting in the engine. Just for the sake of argument lets say that this is so.
If you took a teaspoon of very light dust like say babby powder and dumped it on your desk top in a small pile. The you take a blow dryer and aimed it at that little pile of babby powder and turned it on full blast for say a minute or two, how much of that pile of babby powder would still be there??
If it all blows away, then can you say it was never there?? Where is it now??
Like I said it is a big mystery. Maybe someday someone much smarter then I am will figure all this stuff out.
Gadget
www.GadgetOnline.com
This is a big mystery don't you think???
Lets think about this for a second....
I may not be a real smart man, but I would think that there is a lot of air moving or blowing through the intake ducting in the engine. Just for the sake of argument lets say that this is so.
If you took a teaspoon of very light dust like say babby powder and dumped it on your desk top in a small pile. The you take a blow dryer and aimed it at that little pile of babby powder and turned it on full blast for say a minute or two, how much of that pile of babby powder would still be there??
If it all blows away, then can you say it was never there?? Where is it now??
Like I said it is a big mystery. Maybe someday someone much smarter then I am will figure all this stuff out.
Gadget
www.GadgetOnline.com
I bunch of us finally secured a strip of foam, double-stick tape in our intakes, shortly after the air filter and went on a run. It captured an amazing amount of that baby powder you describe.
The foam filters had the least past them, the paper filters came next and the most by far came from the gauze and oil filters. The guy who claimed more power by not running a filter at all could have started a small vegetable garden on his tape at the end of the run
Kids, don't try this at home, we are trained professionals... one guy didn't secure his tape and at the end of the run, it wasn't in his intake anymore... I can only think of one direction it would have gone... :cry:
#26
Originally posted by WATRD
...one guy didn't secure his tape and at the end of the run, it wasn't in his intake anymore... I can only think of one direction it would have gone... :cry:
...one guy didn't secure his tape and at the end of the run, it wasn't in his intake anymore... I can only think of one direction it would have gone... :cry:
steve
#27
I've been using a K&N drop-in filter for the past couple of months, and am pleased with the performance.
After searching around a bit, I ran across a PDF file from the Tennesse Tacoma club that pretty clearly shows that K&N beats AMSOIL in performance. Now, as far as filtering capability, I don't think the K&N stacks up, and I'd be more likely to use an AMSOIL in real dusty conditions. But for performance, the K&N seems to be the way to go. The Tacoma testing was done with the 3.4L V6, the same engine the majority of are probably using. The link to their file is:
http://www.tn-tacomas.com/mods/dyno/...l%20Graphs.pdf
This guy also had oil analysis performed after running his K&N, based on silica (sand) content, it looked fine. This data is on the same site as the link above.
I'd check it out. Its also interesting to see the advantages of doing the deck plate mode. I know alot of people talk about 7 hp gains, but this data lays out the effect pretty clearly. Anyways, just my .02's.
After searching around a bit, I ran across a PDF file from the Tennesse Tacoma club that pretty clearly shows that K&N beats AMSOIL in performance. Now, as far as filtering capability, I don't think the K&N stacks up, and I'd be more likely to use an AMSOIL in real dusty conditions. But for performance, the K&N seems to be the way to go. The Tacoma testing was done with the 3.4L V6, the same engine the majority of are probably using. The link to their file is:
http://www.tn-tacomas.com/mods/dyno/...l%20Graphs.pdf
This guy also had oil analysis performed after running his K&N, based on silica (sand) content, it looked fine. This data is on the same site as the link above.
I'd check it out. Its also interesting to see the advantages of doing the deck plate mode. I know alot of people talk about 7 hp gains, but this data lays out the effect pretty clearly. Anyways, just my .02's.
#28
Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota
What ever happened to the engine? Did he manage to somehow get the tape out? Update, please.... What would that do to an engine?
steve
What ever happened to the engine? Did he manage to somehow get the tape out? Update, please.... What would that do to an engine?
steve
#29
Here is the oil analysis from someone running a K&N filter for close to 5,000 miles.
http://www.tn-tacomas.com/maintenanc...lAnalysis.html
Let the data speak for itself. I've seen that same tired AMSOIL graph trotted out time and time again. This data was obtained with a toyota-owner, run by someone without economic ties to the company who gave him the filter (to my knowledge anyways).
http://www.tn-tacomas.com/maintenanc...lAnalysis.html
Let the data speak for itself. I've seen that same tired AMSOIL graph trotted out time and time again. This data was obtained with a toyota-owner, run by someone without economic ties to the company who gave him the filter (to my knowledge anyways).
#30
which air filter???
i have used k@n filters in many of my offroad trucks and quads i have found the the k@n filters do in fact let dirt pass though them i pulled engine apart after aprox 20hr on them and found traces of dirt in the intake and in the cylinder k@N do flow a lot better than any other filter out there but i would not install them on a anything that is driven in any dust areas at all strickly for on road use only stick with paper or better yet a foam filter.
#31
Originally posted by Mad Chemist
After searching around a bit, I ran across a PDF file from the Tennesse Tacoma club that pretty clearly shows that K&N beats AMSOIL in performance. Now, as far as filtering capability, I don't think the K&N stacks up, and I'd be more likely to use an AMSOIL in real dusty conditions. But for performance, the K&N seems to be the way to go. The Tacoma testing was done with the 3.4L V6, the same engine the majority of are probably using. The link to their file is:
After searching around a bit, I ran across a PDF file from the Tennesse Tacoma club that pretty clearly shows that K&N beats AMSOIL in performance. Now, as far as filtering capability, I don't think the K&N stacks up, and I'd be more likely to use an AMSOIL in real dusty conditions. But for performance, the K&N seems to be the way to go. The Tacoma testing was done with the 3.4L V6, the same engine the majority of are probably using. The link to their file is:
Then when you factor in filtering capability, and also factor in cost, the clear winner is AMSOIL and that and no other reason is why I run the AMSOIL filter in my vehicles.
Gadget
www.GadgetOnline.com
#32
I consider the effectiveness of an air filter by the amount of dirt that it prevents from getting into my engine. In order to determine how much dirt (silicon) is getting into your engine you have to have your oil analyzed. If you analyze your oil, this is what you'll discover:
Stock Toyota paper filters are the best - period.
Amsoil dual foam air filter will come in a close second.
K&N will be a very distant third.
Another thing you'll find is that a good quality paper filter becomes even more efficient as it gets dirtier!!!
This may all be a mute point if one runs an additional by-pass oil filter that takes out all contaminates over 1 micron.
Stock Toyota paper filters are the best - period.
Amsoil dual foam air filter will come in a close second.
K&N will be a very distant third.
Another thing you'll find is that a good quality paper filter becomes even more efficient as it gets dirtier!!!
This may all be a mute point if one runs an additional by-pass oil filter that takes out all contaminates over 1 micron.
#34
Originally posted by Joe
I consider the effectiveness of an air filter by the amount of dirt that it prevents from getting into my engine. In order to determine how much dirt (silicon) is getting into your engine you have to have your oil analyzed. If you analyze your oil, this is what you'll discover:
Stock Toyota paper filters are the best - period.
Amsoil dual foam air filter will come in a close second.
K&N will be a very distant third.
Another thing you'll find is that a good quality paper filter becomes even more efficient as it gets dirtier!!!
This may all be a mute point if one runs an additional by-pass oil filter that takes out all contaminates over 1 micron.
I consider the effectiveness of an air filter by the amount of dirt that it prevents from getting into my engine. In order to determine how much dirt (silicon) is getting into your engine you have to have your oil analyzed. If you analyze your oil, this is what you'll discover:
Stock Toyota paper filters are the best - period.
Amsoil dual foam air filter will come in a close second.
K&N will be a very distant third.
Another thing you'll find is that a good quality paper filter becomes even more efficient as it gets dirtier!!!
This may all be a mute point if one runs an additional by-pass oil filter that takes out all contaminates over 1 micron.
In all of the oil tests I have ever seen except one, where the person running the test says he suspects contamination, the AMSOIL filter tests cleaner.
What is it that you know that I don't. If the OEM filter is better I will switch back in a hot second. Let me know...
Gadget
www.GadgetOnline.com
#35
Originally posted by Gadget
What is your source of info that is putting AMSOIL airfilter second? In every standarized test ever conducted it always shows better filtration then OEM type filters.
In all of the oil tests I have ever seen except one, where the person running the test says he suspects contamination, the AMSOIL filter tests cleaner.
What is it that you know that I don't. If the OEM filter is better I will switch back in a hot second. Let me know...
Gadget
www.GadgetOnline.com
What is your source of info that is putting AMSOIL airfilter second? In every standarized test ever conducted it always shows better filtration then OEM type filters.
In all of the oil tests I have ever seen except one, where the person running the test says he suspects contamination, the AMSOIL filter tests cleaner.
What is it that you know that I don't. If the OEM filter is better I will switch back in a hot second. Let me know...
Gadget
www.GadgetOnline.com
Last edited by Joe; Mar 3, 2003 at 04:13 AM.
#36
I never trust a graph without a scale. The difference could be .00001 if the intervals are .0000000001, that looks like something from an infomercial, not a lab test. No, I did not go to and read up on any of the links, I have a K&N and it works fine.
Lamm
Lamm
#37
The wrong air filter can screw-up an engine faster than anything else you can do to your vehicle. I will alway use the OEM filter that is designed and manufactured for the vehicle. In this case that is Toyota OEM. Also remember the dirtier the filter gets the better it filters until it gets too dirty and won't let the right amount of air through.
#38
I hope their OEM oil filter is better than their OEM shocks. At least the shocks that were on the 2000 Runner. I switched to Amsoil for 35 bucks with extra oil. The engine likes it and you can tell.
#39
OEM air filter here. Change it every 10k. Maybe one day I will switch over to Amsoil, but I dont want to mess with the airbox, so I dont think it will help much. SO I might just stick with OEM.
#40
Does any one have hook ups for amsoil filter for a 2002 4runner? What exactly is the amsoil? Is it reusable like the K&N fipk. Do you re oil it like a K &N. Thats what I got but see the little holes in the filter like some of the members said.. How much are they for amsoil want to switch.Thanks in advance


