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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 01:40 AM
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Water with oil mixture HEADGASKET! HELP!!!

Hello everyone first off all am a newbie here but been looking at this website everything I need help.. My first time posting so let me start by saying I own a 95 pickup 22re and last year it started giving me issues with a liddo overheating so fixed all the little stuff suck as thermostat water pump radiator etc, kept doing the same so antifreeze is to expensive so I stsrted just using water which I regret smog Time was around the corner didn't PASS IGNITION TIMING ..

Opened up the valve cover guides weren't there anymore .. Oil has been fine no water mixture but looks like the timing cover had some damage..

I kept running truck with water until one day it ran really bad like crap like if I was running on 2 cylinders I parked the truck

Started searching here found a post on 92 toy on replacing head gasket Becaus ei didn't want to pay at the shop..

Bought a new timing kit set and a felpro HEADGASKET started taking everything apart got the cylinder head off which had 2 cracks were the valves are .. So say no more I ordered a brand new one with new camshaft and everything .. Cleaned the block which had no cracks but did have rust inside were the coolant should be running through .. Cleaned as best as possible.. Installed new metal guides timing chain put in the new HEADGASKET and the cylinder head .. Made sure I was at TDC .. New oil .. So here was the test I go to turn on the truck .. It would crank but not turn on .. Tried it for about 5 times finally turned on at a high idle for about 5 seconds idle dropped and truck dies did it like three times after the third time I here a loud pop coming from the engine .. Inspected it ..there was a tiny small leak on the EGR valve were it connects to the head

I was really bummed out.. I took the whole thing apart AGAIN .. There was water in 2 cylinders.. But the HEADGASKET looks perfectly fine and so those the cylinder head .. WHAT IS POSSIBLY WRONG DID I DO SOMETHING WRONG ??? IS MY BLOCK CRACKED?

Am a newbie and I need your guys help I would really appreciate it thanks in advance

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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 01:42 AM
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Forgot to mention .. Before I took it apart again I check the oil dipstick and the brand new oil I had put 10 minutes ago looked like frappucino
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 05:17 AM
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No telling what actually went wrong. Some of the mistakes I have made are not chasing the head bolt threads. This can leave oil and hater in the bolt holes and build hydraulic pressure when you retorque your head bolts. Thus creating false torque specs. I also buggered a head gasket when setting a head back down. Make sure you set it on square and gentle. Most people will recommend not using a fellpro head gasket. OEM Toyota head gasket or a high quality aftermarket one seem to be preferred. I had problems with a fellpro one but not like you so I don't think that's the problem. My problem was an early failure. About 20k miles.

How did you check your block to see if it was true. They usually don't warp but just asking. Did you source the head from a good business? Did you also do a new timing chain kit at the same time? Just asking questions. Also did you run a compression test after you put it back together. Sometime this can narrow down the search area. Good luck
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 10:13 AM
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Hello thanks for responding.. I checked the trueness of the block with a straight and feeler gauge .. Looked good

Yes I did install a new timing chain kit at the same time ..
I did not clean the head bolt holes 100 percent is that bad??
And the compression check am clueless how to do that or tools to use ??

Could I have an internal crack on the block from all the water I used??
Maybe the headbolts were off torque


Am just lost on why did my oil look like frappucino
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 11:18 AM
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By chance did you torque the head bolts to the wrong torque??

65 Foot pounds!!

Seen that happen to pro mechanics that used a hanes manual.
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 11:54 AM
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I went 58 is that wrong??
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Old Jan 26, 2015 | 01:36 PM
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The coolant is mixing with the oil what do you think??
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Old Jan 26, 2015 | 03:58 PM
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Alright ima put everything back on today ..
Hopefully it was the head bolts I'll let you guys know
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Old Jan 27, 2015 | 06:33 AM
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You are using a fresh head gasket and new head bolts right?
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Old Jan 27, 2015 | 10:36 AM
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New head gasket for sure.

Head bolts if not new should be cleaned and inspected.

Do you live in a area where it might be possible your engine froze from using plain water.

Funny I think antifreeze is cheap compared with doing a new engine.

As for a compression test it is a gauge that threads into the spark plug threads most come with instructions .
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Old Jan 27, 2015 | 10:57 AM
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Yeah my head gasket and head bolts are brand new .: torqued them to 65 installed exhaust manifold now just need to install intake manifold and vacuum lines and hopefully she starts right up
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 01:28 PM
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And does she run?
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 02:38 PM
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Will finish up tonight .. Didn't get to finish due to overtime at work..

Am just a liddo iffy I don't want to be bummed out again..

If I didn't torque the headbolts right the first time and the threads were the headbolts go were full of sludge and I installed could my head gasket had popped up and allow the water to mix with coolant or is it something else ??



This time am doing it right clean the holes 100% new headbolts new everything I hope I don't see water in the oil when I start it up like the first time ..
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 05:59 PM
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Follow the correct torque sequence and you should be fine. There is on occasion a little bit of water left over but a oil change should take care of that. It can seem difficult and frustrating at time but when your done and she starts right up it will put a smile on your face.

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Did you have the head checked for trueness? If the head passed inspection. And no problems exist in the head (cracks). Then you should be good to go.

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Old Feb 11, 2015 | 11:06 AM
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so i installed everything already back togethe triple checked my vacuum lines. so it should be ready to start up and go
but just when i was about to do that my little brother decided to install the battery cables backwards so now i dont have dashboard lights or tail lights and the truck makes not one sound when i try to start it up. am really new to the electrical system but he bummed me out now am trying to see were i can start lookin to try and find the solution??? id appreciate any of your guys help
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Old Feb 11, 2015 | 12:13 PM
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Check all fuses and the fusible link coming off the pos. battery terminal, if equipped.
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Old Feb 11, 2015 | 12:43 PM
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I hope you got rid of the body before it started to smell!!

They say Chippers are the way to go.

Let us hope it just opened the circuit protection and did not fry anything important .
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Old Feb 11, 2015 | 12:45 PM
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I went 58 is that wrong??
Yup;

You also must chase the head bolt threads and clean them somehow. Also some of those head bolts go into the water jacket and should have loctite sealant on them.

Timing is really important, be sure its right. Should start right away.
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Old Feb 11, 2015 | 12:47 PM
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If you are lucky you just blew the main fuse.
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Old Feb 11, 2015 | 01:37 PM
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Thanks guys which one is the main fuse ??
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