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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 07:39 PM
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Lol why would you use 400EX shocks? Those things are pogo-sticks.
Shoulda splurged for the 450EX shocks, they're more for racing. Then had em valved for your weight..
I was just out at moses lake a month ago with a few buds.
yea bubby that lt 500 is my dads baby. nothing like a big 2 stroke. i used the 400ex shock because they are a little taller, have a faster rebound, and they are lighter than stockers. i would use the 450r shocks but but they are too heavy. that bike is on a serious diet it has no front breaks no dics none of it. and i can pound the piss out of the 400ex shocks on the whoops drag racing.
i wanna take another ride out to moses before it gets too hot over there. hows the weather?
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Tofer
yep i know of both places but havent been out to either... i usually run browns camp down in oregon. i've wanted to get to the dunes for a while now and jsut havent done it. i'm hoping to do a YT moses lake run this summer.

i have a 08 raptor 700. all stock (unless you count dings, dents, cracks and scraches "mods")

nice bike! i have been wanting to get a 700 raptor for a while now. I love riding the dunes! ill take a dune any day over a trail. you gotta take that thing out and blast across a fat dune. i only ride trails if i have too..
A YOTA TECH DUNE RUN?!?! count me in!
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by swaysidelife
yea bubby that lt 500 is my dads baby. nothing like a big 2 stroke. i used the 400ex shock because they are a little taller, have a faster rebound, and they are lighter than stockers. i would use the 450r shocks but but they are too heavy. that bike is on a serious diet it has no front breaks no dics none of it. and i can pound the piss out of the 400ex shocks on the whoops drag racing.
i wanna take another ride out to moses before it gets too hot over there. hows the weather?
High 60's today, prolly gonna be mid 70's tomorrow. it's about the same at moses this time of year.
i'm down with a YT moses lake run sometime this summer hehe
I need to pipe my 400 before i go out there again.

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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by peow130
High 60's today, prolly gonna be mid 70's tomorrow. it's about the same at moses this time of year.
i'm down with a YT moses lake run sometime this summer hehe
I need to pipe my 400 before i go out there again.
i might have to make a run over there if i get some spare cash.
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 08:09 PM
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it's in the mid '80s in oklahoma
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by swaysidelife
i might have to make a run over there if i get some spare cash.
Hehehe yeah those trips tend to get spendy.
I love going to the dunes though.
Riding around at 12 at night is great
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by peow130
Hehehe yeah those trips tend to get spendy.
I love going to the dunes though.
Riding around at 12 at night is great
night riding is the best!! everything changes its like riding at a new spot lol
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 09:16 PM
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Well, It would be handy if Downey didn't go out of business. I know they had the IFS long travel kit that seems like it would take the edge off of whatever the dunes could throw at you. Other than that, some larger tires might be good. Nice pics, BTW.

I always wanted to go up to the Oregon dunes, but it's quite a drive from here..... and I don't have any toys to ride, other than the Runner.
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 09:32 PM
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[QUOTE=stormin94;51422430]Well, It would be handy if Downey didn't go out of business. I know they had the IFS long travel kit that seems like it would take the edge off of whatever the dunes could throw at you. Other than that, some larger tires might be good. Nice pics, BTW.

I always wanted to go up to the Oregon dunes, but it's quite a drive from here..... and I don't have any toys to ride, other than the Runner.[QUOTE]

THANKS!!! Long travel would be nice but I dont have that kinda money. I
know total chaos makes a kit also but dont have that kinda money either lol
i have decided to do bj spacers up front 63" chevy's in the back and put some decent shocks on it maybe some bilstein up front and some doetsch mv12 int the back. i just have to find the right length shocks. im going to make it a softcore prerunner lol
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 11:57 PM
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I too have been playing with the idea of your so called "softcore prerunner." My goal is to one day install a TC LT kit, but until I can afford that I'm trying to dial in my stock suspension. Here's my idea for my suspension...

Front
-Torsion Bars : I run Downey 26mm torsion bars. It works for me because I run a tube bumper and a winch, but may not work for everyone. If I didn't run a winch up front maybe the V6 t-bars would be better suited (I've heard the 4 cylinder and V6 bars are different, I haven't confirmed this)
-BJ spacers : With the stock settings they gave me another 1.5" of up travel
-Bump stops : The lower a-arm has 2 compression bump stops that are identical, one just slightly higher then the other (maybe 1/8" or 1/4") to progressively slow down the A-arm. My plan is to keep the higher stock bump stop (the one that get hit last as the suspension compresses) so that the compression travel stops in the same place and replace the other bump stop with a taller, softer rubber bump stop. Something to more progressively slow down the A-arm. Like this http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CEE-7024/
-shocks : then to top it all off a low priced re-valvable shock with another rubber bump stop mounted on the shock shaft. A good example of a low cost re-valvable is the F-O-A line http://f-o-a.com/index.php

Rear
-springs : 63" Chevy's
-shocks : probably a set of 12" FOAs to fit underneath the bed, with rubber bump stops mounted on the shaft
-bump stops : probably FOAs air bumps, but if not a more progressive bumps top like so http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ENS-9-9109G/


I dunno, that's my plan. Maybe I'm going about it all wrong, I don't know. My goal is to just control the small amount of travel I do have and to eliminate harsh bottoming out. Good luck!
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Old Apr 16, 2010 | 12:27 AM
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I too have been playing with the idea of your so called "softcore prerunner." My goal is to one day install a TC LT kit, but until I can afford that I'm trying to dial in my stock suspension. Here's my idea for my suspension...

Front
-Torsion Bars : I run Downey 26mm torsion bars. It works for me because I run a tube bumper and a winch, but may not work for everyone. If I didn't run a winch up front maybe the V6 t-bars would be better suited (I've heard the 4 cylinder and V6 bars are different, I haven't confirmed this)
-BJ spacers : With the stock settings they gave me another 1.5" of up travel
-Bump stops : The lower a-arm has 2 compression bump stops that are identical, one just slightly higher then the other (maybe 1/8" or 1/4") to progressively slow down the A-arm. My plan is to keep the higher stock bump stop (the one that get hit last as the suspension compresses) so that the compression travel stops in the same place and replace the other bump stop with a taller, softer rubber bump stop. Something to more progressively slow down the A-arm. Like this http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CEE-7024/
-shocks : then to top it all off a low priced re-valvable shock with another rubber bump stop mounted on the shock shaft. A good example of a low cost re-valvable is the F-O-A line http://f-o-a.com/index.php

Rear
-springs : 63" Chevy's
-shocks : probably a set of 12" FOAs to fit underneath the bed, with rubber bump stops mounted on the shaft
-bump stops : probably FOAs air bumps, but if not a more progressive bumps top like so http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ENS-9-9109G/


I dunno, that's my plan. Maybe I'm going about it all wrong, I don't know. My goal is to just control the small amount of travel I do have and to eliminate harsh bottoming out. Good luck!
Thanks! Man you got some great ideas going! it even gave me a few more. i like the bump stop idea form summit racing. And this is the first time i have heard of FOA. I was wondering what diameter shock would you run? Emulsion or reservoir? and what psi? Since they have heim top and bottom how would we mount them on our rigs because mine has a shank on top not a eyelet?
And one mode kinda newbie question i always wonder if you could put coilovers on the front of out rigs and like remove the t-bar or something? lol
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Old Apr 16, 2010 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by swaysidelife
Thanks! Man you got some great ideas going! it even gave me a few more. i like the bump stop idea form summit racing. And this is the first time i have heard of FOA. I was wondering what diameter shock would you run? Emulsion or reservoir? and what psi? Since they have heim top and bottom how would we mount them on our rigs because mine has a shank on top not a eyelet?
And one mode kinda newbie question i always wonder if you could put coilovers on the front of out rigs and like remove the t-bar or something? lol
I haven't done the research on which FOA model yet, I've been focused on adding a turbo to my car lately. Probably a 2" diameter shock to fit between the upper A arm. To mount the shock I was thinking either a custom shock hoop or possibly a F-150 shock mount that some of the SAS guys use.

About adding coilovers, I've looked it up on yotatech in the past and the general consensus was that the lower A-arm is too weak for a coilover. It wasn't designed for one. Maybe if you plated it. I doubt you can stuff a coilover between the upper a-arm, but maybe you can put it behind the A-arm like the Blazeland kit ( http://www.blazeland.us/Page_5.php ).

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Old Apr 16, 2010 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by strykersd
I haven't done the research on which FOA model yet, I've been focused on adding a turbo to my car lately. Probably a 2" diameter shock to fit between the upper A arm. To mount the shock I was thinking either a custom shock hoop or possibly a F-150 shock mount that some of the SAS guys use.

About adding coilovers, I've looked it up on yotatech in the past and the general consensus was that the lower A-arm is too weak for a coilover. It wasn't designed for one. Maybe if you plated it. I doubt you can stuff a coilover between the upper a-arm, but maybe you can put it behind the A-arm like the Blazeland kit ( http://www.blazeland.us/Page_5.php ).
A complete long travel kit just cost too much for me or i would love to do it. i think in going to look into fabricating some shock hoops for the front and running so FOA shocks
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Old Apr 16, 2010 | 07:32 PM
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I didn't mean to buy the LT kit. I just posted the link so you could get ideas to run a coilover on stock suspension.
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Old Apr 16, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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Its too bad that it's not possible to fit some chevy A-Arms underneath these pickups. Those things are atleast 3 inches longer, and in stock form are pretty beefy
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by peow130
Its too bad that it's not possible to fit some chevy A-Arms underneath these pickups. Those things are atleast 3 inches longer, and in stock form are pretty beefy
i really wish there was a way to get longer arms for coil overs off of some other truck from like a junk yard "junk yard long travel" lol

Originally Posted by strykersd
I didn't mean to buy the LT kit. I just posted the link so you could get ideas to run a coilover on stock suspension.
i know thats not what you mean those pics gave me some ideas for a shock hoop...
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Old Apr 18, 2010 | 05:28 PM
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I don't think coilover suspension would help with dunes..
Coilovers are stiffer than torsion bars, so the ride would actually be worse.
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Old Apr 18, 2010 | 05:46 PM
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I have never understood why there would be any difference in ride or travel if the arms are the same length between coilover and torsion bar?

Is it possible to make a progressive rate torsion bar? If not that could be one difference however I don't know that i've seen progressive rate coil springs for toyota pickups?

Any how, put my summer rubber on yesterday and ran the beach for the first time this spring today, sand between your tires feels so good!
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Old Apr 18, 2010 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by limon32
I have never understood why there would be any difference in ride or travel if the arms are the same length between coilover and torsion bar?

Is it possible to make a progressive rate torsion bar? If not that could be one difference however I don't know that i've seen progressive rate coil springs for toyota pickups?

Any how, put my summer rubber on yesterday and ran the beach for the first time this spring today, sand between your tires feels so good!
Im not sure about the progressive rate torsion bar.. Man your lucky!!! I envy you right now lol
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Old Apr 18, 2010 | 09:04 PM
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Progressive rate tbar would be impossible..
The Tbar is just a springy bar of metal, rather than a coiled up piece of springy metal
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