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Old Dec 26, 2004 | 09:49 AM
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3 or 4 inch lift for 4th gen

What is the cutoff point on the lifts before you need to extend the brake lines? I am looking for measurements at full articulation/stuffing. I am looking at either 4"/3" front/rear or 3"/2" front/rear from Nitrious.

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Old Dec 26, 2004 | 10:08 AM
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Anthony is running our 5" lift and has not extended his brake lines or done any work on them at all. He wheels his truck hard enough too that if there were any problems with the lines being too short, he'd definitely have discovered it by now.

What size tires are you thinking of going with? That may help determine what lift you want. If you want to stay on the safe side, 4" in front and 3" in rear would be perfect.
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Old Dec 26, 2004 | 10:39 AM
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I'm VERY curious to see front flex pics with or without swaybars connected on a 4th Gen with over 3" of spacer lift. Can anybody provide?
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Old Dec 26, 2004 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by gapguy
I'm VERY curious to see front flex pics with or without swaybars connected on a 4th Gen with over 3" of spacer lift. Can anybody provide?

Help the newb...

Does spacer lift diminish flex? What is the effect of a spacer lifed vehicle for off roading.

Thanks...
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Old Dec 26, 2004 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by OMINOUS_87
Help the newb...

Does spacer lift diminish flex? What is the effect of a spacer lifed vehicle for off roading.

Thanks...
Well.. The more spacer you have inside the coil assembly, the stiffer the coil becomes and compresses less. Also, with each inch of lift, you lose that same amount of down travel (droop). The top spacer is added to buy some of that back.

On the 3rd gen, 2" of lift is the "sweet spot" for optimal droop and compression. When you start adding more and more spacers, the effective "stiffness" increases, and you lose flex. It's just the nature of the game.

I don't have a 4th gen, nor have I seen one wheeled with 4" of spacer lift...Thats why I asked for pics..or maybe even numbers.
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Old Dec 26, 2004 | 01:09 PM
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That's true, Neil, however, we avoid the over-stiffenness issue by making keeping most of the lift on the upper spacer, so that the coil isn't preloaded by much. Spacer lifts don't ADD flex, but they don't decrease it either -- just because you loose some amount of down travel on the front shock, doesn't mean you don't still droop that amount. The shock is already partially extended, so at full droop it is still extending it's stock amount, it's just that the difference between extension at rest and extension at full droop is of a lesser amount because extension at rest is already partly extended.

Seriously, even with 5" of lift, the stiffness is unnoticeable. Granted, I recommend staying at 4.5" or below, but Anthony has wheeled his 5" just fine. In the rear, we have the re-locs (or longer shocks) which effectively negate the partial extension at rest.

People without XREAS can even replace the front shocks for longer ones and gain travel.
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Old Dec 26, 2004 | 01:10 PM
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if you want to see some crazy wheeling done with a 4th gen. with 4" of lift, search for ahriman and his pictures here at yotatech.
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Old Dec 26, 2004 | 05:09 PM
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the stock suspension has approximately 4" of droop from what I remember from last year when I was doing alot of measurements. for obvious reasons you don't want to run at full droop or even more than that as driving w/o little to NO down travel is just pure stupidity.

therefore, my recommendations is to stay around 3" on the stock shock and coil. if you get aftermarket shocks to replace the stock ones then you're good for 3.5". at this point you'll be at the limitation of the aftermarket shock.

good luck.
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Old Dec 26, 2004 | 05:19 PM
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btw removing the sway bar makes a world of a difference.
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