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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by elripster
This is absolutely correct as far as UCA angle is concerned.

Now, tires and shocks can have a huge effect on ride quality too so maybe there is more here we do not know.

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Alright, that was my guess too as it seems that a lot of people immediately add the biggest tires their lift will fit then blame the lift for all the CV and steering failures and ride quality change on the suspension.

OME front shocks do ride hard, but try ProComps, then you will appreciate how nice OME shocks are.
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 10:56 AM
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Pretty much. Plus let's face it, lifts cause wheeling which is known to break trucks. Often we put on lifts and take old parts on the trail, they fail, they get replaced, and I think usually they hold up better thereafter. At least that's my experience.

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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 11:09 AM
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Its a stiffer ride with the ome shocks, but I suppose if one wanted a softer ride, they could use different shocks. As I said before it rides more like a tank, more like my old '84, but I don't mind it.
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 4runnermt
Its a stiffer ride with the ome shocks, but I suppose if one wanted a softer ride, they could use different shocks. As I said before it rides more like a tank, more like my old '84, but I don't mind it.
What shocks did you have before? Did you change the tires? OMEs are great for bombing down gravel bars/ river beds at 30mph.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 10:26 PM
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hmmm, i am pondering whether or not a diff drop would interfere with the SS brace. any thoughts?
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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sa51
hmmm, i am pondering whether or not a diff drop would interfere with the SS brace. any thoughts?
Hmm it might. A 1" tall diff drop spacers only drop the diff output flanges maybe 1/2" as you cannot lower where the diff mounts to the front crossmember, a 1" drop will bring the diff maybe 1.5" closer to the SS brace is attached Picture this:

F-----X-----R-------C---O

F is where the diff attaches to the front crossmember
X is where the axles attach to the diff
R is the rear mounts for the diff
C is right above where the Sonoran Steal IFS brace is bolted
O is where the pinion flange is located.


It doesn't look like you have 1.5" clearance.

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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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hmmm , i wonder if anyone has had any first hand experience with this.


every answer is another reason to cut it all out and SAS it lol, i wish i had the money.

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Old Dec 22, 2008 | 10:54 PM
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My question is:

Is it just the 1.5" lift that kills idler arms, is it the 1.5 extra up-travel, or is it that change camber when the wheel cycles?
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 04:28 AM
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[QUOTE=sa51;51007674]hmmm , i wonder if anyone has had any first hand experience with this.QUOTE]

I do, it won't fit. I removed the diff drop and uncranked my torsion bars. I have maybe 1" of lift over stock and no tire rub or CV boot problems.

Robb
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 06:17 AM
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Can you use these on 0n 92 22 re reg cab 2wd?
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 06:24 AM
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Yes check out this sight.
http://www.sdori.com/
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 05:37 PM
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I guess I don't get it, I've read up on the ball joint spacer a lot and I had come to understand that it in fact provides no lift at all, it simply moves the axle center whatever distance from the upper control arm. The reason to do this is to get that much more space betwee the upper bumpstop and upper control arm giving you more downwards articulation or "droop". Someone please correct me if I'm wrong? I thought the torsion bars are the only weight support on the front end and these are attached to the lower control arms along with the shocks. So in theory (if the wheel wouldn't fold in) you could remove the upper control arm entirely and your truck would neither go up nor down.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 10:40 AM
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Maybe I can better explain the theory of operation here.

The spacer increases the window of travel by its thickness. If you install them and don't touch the torsion bars, the truck will sit 1.5" higher than it did before. At this point you have gained 1.5" of compression travel with no increase in droop.

What makes this confusing is that since it is so easy to adjust our torsion bars few of our trucks are still sitting a production height. When we add spacers, we often adjust them again to our liking. As a result it's hard to characterize a fixed amount of lift with spacers. We set our trucks where we like them.

What the spacers do though is return the UCA to a more level position. This improves suspension flex while maintaining ride height. You could set the UCA at a more level position without the spacers now but you would do so at the expense of ground clearance. With the spacers you can have more of both.

On our website is a write up, which might help to better understand our suspensions.

Frank
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 11:51 AM
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If you can't figure out how BJ spacers Elripster's link, you're going to need to pick up your grade 10 science text and re-read the physics portion.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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I've heard people talk about "pounding out the stud first..." in reference to BJ spacers... what are they talking about??
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt16
I've heard people talk about "pounding out the stud first..." in reference to BJ spacers... what are they talking about??
my guess would be either rusty ball-joint mounting bolts, or the main pivoting stud on the ball-joint where it attaches to the spindle...

but I could be wrong...
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by iamsuperbleeder
my guess would be either rusty ball-joint mounting bolts, or the main pivoting stud on the ball-joint where it attaches to the spindle...

but I could be wrong...
My feeble mind can't find a reason to remove the ball joint from the spindle, so that's only if you are replacing the ball joint at the same time?
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt16
My feeble mind can't find a reason to remove the ball joint from the spindle, so that's only if you are replacing the ball joint at the same time?
which i would replace while everything is apart for the spacers, unless they're fairly new
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 07:43 PM
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I didnt replace my ball joint...And I saw no need too...
lolz..


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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sa51
which i would replace while everything is apart for the spacers, unless they're fairly new
I won't be replacing mine until they show signs of wear, mine don't appear to.
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