LC Engineering Turbo motor...disappointment??
Dec 24, 2008 | 01:21 PM
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Correct... Sort of... The 20R WAS a 2.2L, the 22R/E are 2.4L motors.
EDIT: All this talk about different motors is completely irrelevent, so what if a FHI Boxer Motor can make 500hp... it's a different motor that was designed to take that power load and flow enough air to make those numbers. A motor like the 22RE is a long stroke motor that frankly was not meant to spool up to 7K and make 400horse. Is it stong enough??? Yes, absolutely, but it was designed to be a tourquey motor, not a race engine. The money I spent to take my 1.8L 8V VW motor up to over the 200hp at the wheels (206) mark was un-real. But with all that money came high quality parts and added longevity so... There are all kinds of motors with all kinds of displacements and designs, but not all of them will do the same thing. A motor is an air pump. The faster and more efficently you can get air in and out determines your power. Everything else just modifies your powerband or your Torque curve. With that in mind, have at it.
Cheers
Dave
EDIT: All this talk about different motors is completely irrelevent, so what if a FHI Boxer Motor can make 500hp... it's a different motor that was designed to take that power load and flow enough air to make those numbers. A motor like the 22RE is a long stroke motor that frankly was not meant to spool up to 7K and make 400horse. Is it stong enough??? Yes, absolutely, but it was designed to be a tourquey motor, not a race engine. The money I spent to take my 1.8L 8V VW motor up to over the 200hp at the wheels (206) mark was un-real. But with all that money came high quality parts and added longevity so... There are all kinds of motors with all kinds of displacements and designs, but not all of them will do the same thing. A motor is an air pump. The faster and more efficently you can get air in and out determines your power. Everything else just modifies your powerband or your Torque curve. With that in mind, have at it.
Cheers
Dave
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Dec 24, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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Dec 25, 2008 | 01:00 PM
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Yes sir, VW's are known for being "real" performance vehicles. Front Wheel Drive is also known for its sporting nature. Quit spewing ignorance. Rx7 > all
The Op wasn't asking about 8v's out of old golfs or b18's from honduhs, he wanted to know everyone's opinion on the value of an LCE turbo setup.
Dec 25, 2008 | 06:53 PM
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Dec 25, 2008 | 09:35 PM
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Your original post said something like the dyno run showed something like 197 hp and 237 ft/lb torque at the wheels... considering stock 22re is around 110 hp and 140 ft/lb at the flywheel... I think it's fairly safe to say it's nearly a 100% increase in power after factoring in driveline losses.
I wouldn't expect it to last as long as a stock 22re though, but if taken care of it could easily hit 100,000 miles.
...for the displacement junkies... boosting an engine to 1 bar or more is a displacement increase: it's being force fed over twice the air than it would otherwise consume and a corresponding amount of fuel.
I wouldn't expect it to last as long as a stock 22re though, but if taken care of it could easily hit 100,000 miles.
...for the displacement junkies... boosting an engine to 1 bar or more is a displacement increase: it's being force fed over twice the air than it would otherwise consume and a corresponding amount of fuel.
Dec 25, 2008 | 10:11 PM
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Im surprised none of you have mentioned the 22re's lack of efficiency. Its not a really efficient motor at all, like the other people said it was built for torque.
I dont like knocking on other people, but seriously you are going to argue that a 4cyl can make as much power as a V8 with the same mods. Get real people. Its common knowledge that it costs more money to get 400hp out of a 4cyl than a V8.
And dont get me started on hondas, subies, mitsus, etc. Yeah they can make good power, but you are also talking about DOHC motors with hemispherical combustion chambers, the 22re is a SOHC with a horrible head design, its really restictive and not very efficient as I said earlier. The most I have ever heard powerwise out of a 22re motor was 250hp, after that you are looking at custom everything, when someone gets 300hp out of a 22re it will be a miracle, and they will have a huge wallet.
Now back to LCE, they are the best out there, and the amount of time they worked on it probably amounts to that much money. They are a very good quality company! They may not make that much power but I bet if you spend 6k on doing everything yourself, you will be disappointed cause these engines just dont make that much power.
I dont like knocking on other people, but seriously you are going to argue that a 4cyl can make as much power as a V8 with the same mods. Get real people. Its common knowledge that it costs more money to get 400hp out of a 4cyl than a V8.
And dont get me started on hondas, subies, mitsus, etc. Yeah they can make good power, but you are also talking about DOHC motors with hemispherical combustion chambers, the 22re is a SOHC with a horrible head design, its really restictive and not very efficient as I said earlier. The most I have ever heard powerwise out of a 22re motor was 250hp, after that you are looking at custom everything, when someone gets 300hp out of a 22re it will be a miracle, and they will have a huge wallet.
Now back to LCE, they are the best out there, and the amount of time they worked on it probably amounts to that much money. They are a very good quality company! They may not make that much power but I bet if you spend 6k on doing everything yourself, you will be disappointed cause these engines just dont make that much power.
Dec 25, 2008 | 10:48 PM
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Im surprised none of you have mentioned the 22re's lack of efficiency. Its not a really efficient motor at all, like the other people said it was built for torque.
I dont like knocking on other people, but seriously you are going to argue that a 4cyl can make as much power as a V8 with the same mods. Get real people. Its common knowledge that it costs more money to get 400hp out of a 4cyl than a V8.
And dont get me started on hondas, subies, mitsus, etc. Yeah they can make good power, but you are also talking about DOHC motors with hemispherical combustion chambers, the 22re is a SOHC with a horrible head design, its really restictive and not very efficient as I said earlier. The most I have ever heard powerwise out of a 22re motor was 250hp, after that you are looking at custom everything, when someone gets 300hp out of a 22re it will be a miracle, and they will have a huge wallet.
Now back to LCE, they are the best out there, and the amount of time they worked on it probably amounts to that much money. They are a very good quality company! They may not make that much power but I bet if you spend 6k on doing everything yourself, you will be disappointed cause these engines just dont make that much power.
I dont like knocking on other people, but seriously you are going to argue that a 4cyl can make as much power as a V8 with the same mods. Get real people. Its common knowledge that it costs more money to get 400hp out of a 4cyl than a V8.
And dont get me started on hondas, subies, mitsus, etc. Yeah they can make good power, but you are also talking about DOHC motors with hemispherical combustion chambers, the 22re is a SOHC with a horrible head design, its really restictive and not very efficient as I said earlier. The most I have ever heard powerwise out of a 22re motor was 250hp, after that you are looking at custom everything, when someone gets 300hp out of a 22re it will be a miracle, and they will have a huge wallet.
Now back to LCE, they are the best out there, and the amount of time they worked on it probably amounts to that much money. They are a very good quality company! They may not make that much power but I bet if you spend 6k on doing everything yourself, you will be disappointed cause these engines just dont make that much power.
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Jan 9, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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Jan 9, 2009 | 02:12 PM
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here is your answer, and most people would think is close enough. http://www.vwparadise.com/content.wws?fname=racing.html
even if it was, it would still get blown away by a top fuel v8.
here ya go, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEO9a...eature=related
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Jan 9, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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edit-this was not to take anything away from lc or the 22re, just saying, todays 4 cylinders have come a long way in terms of hp...not so much on the torque front lol
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