DIRT CLOD

dat der fish spit da hook bakat me and plumb ripped me han.

O'kay, found the hose and couplings today. I decided to spend a bit more than I anticipated on the plumbing but figure it's worth it.
Turbo is an airresearch m10 (garrett t3?) A/R cold side .42..A/R hot side .48...
I know it has the t3 flange.
Any body have an idea of what the power band might be here?
Or if I am wrong about the rebuild kit please let me know b4 i open the one I got.
From what reasearch i could find it's a t3.

Hey, anyone know any good links where I can find referance material for such things....???
tanx

DIRT CLOD

This is gettin ready to be lots of funn

aviator

I hate when doz fish do dat

Dirt Driver

1.) With the .42 hotside, I would expect it to spool not far off idle and sign off by ~4500. I can't tell what the compressor wheel is with only the housing A/Rs, but I suspect it's a 50 trim T3. Pictures help too.

2.) It sounds like a standard AiResearch/Garrett T3 to me. Measuring the major/minor diameters of the wheels will allow them to be cross-referenced with known dimensions.

3.) Turbobuicks.com and theturboforums.com have a lot of good resources, but there are so many turbos in so many configurations that it is nearly impossible to have an all-encompassing identification guide. I have had an old AiResearch T04 for years and I still can't identify the compressor on it.

DIRT CLOD

but the rebuild kit? Primarily, all I really need to do is change the bearings. But I think it cant not be worth it to just do it all, just to be sure.... better safe than....
Hey Driver the hot side is .48 the cold side is .42 I have it all loosely assembled so as not to lose anything I will get the dim. on wheels.

DIRT CLOD

hot .48
cold .42

and yet another idea. i found on e bay store A " CX MOTORSPORTS" store. I can grab a new T3 with the oil kit for about $150....and a universal alum. 2.25" pipe kit ..here... http://stores.ebay.com/CXMotorSports

I think I am going to buy a newbie and keep the kit for later..My only problem is I see large A/R #'s and I am thinking I want smthing a bit smaller, no?

aviator

Keep the info coming Dirt this is a very interesting idea...

Dirt Driver

It's tough with the postage stamp-size pictures, but that looks like a common Dodge T3 from a Turbo 2.2 put in a host of Chrysler FWD platforms during the '80s and early '90s. It does not have a standard T3 turbine inlet bolt pattern, but I am pretty sure the shaft, wheels, bearings, and seals are all standard T3. It's not worth it, but you should be able to use regular T3 housings on the CHRA(center housing rotating assembly).

Use a turbo from CX Motorsports at your own risk. Those are Chinese knockoffs and I would never recommend using one.

Be aware that this is mostly a guess on my part, but I think a .48 or .63 hot side with a stock T3 turbine wheel and a 60-trim T3 compressor may be adequate. That's what a lot of 140, 178, and 205hp Ford 2.3Ts came with. On those engines they start to spool ~2000-2200rpm and have full boost by or before 3000. Without the turbo they also only make something like half the power a 3VZ-E does, so you will have a lot more exhaust to make it spool faster.

DIRT CLOD

when they say internal wastegate 8psi...does that mean its preset at 8# ?

abecedarian

blows off at 8psi- and if it blows of at 8, it's from an early Turbo I Chrysler 2.2 engine without intercooler.

... but, thought you said you had a turbo from an eclipse? Those aren't Garrett / AiResearch T3's.
The Dodge Daytona, Chrysler Laser (84-87), Lebaron (Turbo), Dodge / Shelby Charger (Turbo / GLHS), Omni GLHS, Lancer (Turbo), Sundance (Turbo), Pacifica (Turbo), Maserati TC... all used the Chrysler 2.2 / 2.5 used one or another variant of the T3, some with VVT.
The Mitsubishi Eclipse / Eagle Talon / Chrysler Laser (89+) were a different engine (made by Mitsubishi) and used a different turbo.
I'm guessing you've figured that out by now?

DIRT CLOD

the original turbo I had gotten , after cleaning it up I saw it was cracked on both sides of the flange, so I went and got another from a 86 dodge 600 turbo. so yep, it is from the chrysler 2.2. it even has the dodge logo on ther hot side inlet

DIRT CLOD

I am not going to get one from CX Motor sports, I did some research and Dirt Driver was correct, they even look generic and chincy. I'll use my kit and rebuild this one and go from there . probably much better off with it anyway.

aviator

so dirt driver which fords came with the 2.3T? just want to know what to keep an eye open for in the yard....

abecedarian

Mustang's had a turbo 2.3 starting in 78, IIRC, with the oft forgotten (edit: ignored) Cobra, when they went to the Fox platform for the 'stang. And there were the Mustang SVO's and the T-Birds... as well as the Merkur XR4Ti that were available with the turbo. There was the Sierra Cosworth in Europe which was also a 2.3l turbo.
The turbo never made it into the Ranger, but that would've been a bad arse combo, if you ask me.

aviator

thanks abs... my cousin had one of those Cobras at one time...
about all I can hope to run across around here would be the SVO/T-bird or maybe an XR4Ti
which incidentally is just the hatchback version of the euro sourced 1gen Taurus they decided there was no market for here lol...

abecedarian

I had a 79 Cobra 2.3L Turbo (let me take this moment to correct myself- the 'stang went to the Fox platform in 79, but the Fox entered production in 78)... and it seems like everywhere I look, there's no proof it ever existed. But I know I had one- badges on the doors, dash and rear hatch... and a 2.3l 4 banger with carb and turbo.

The XR4Ti was the US version of the Sierra, not a Taurus. The Taurus was a front-wheel drive platform and the XR4 was RWD.

Dirt Driver

I don't like giving out lists of potential donors because I don't like to hear about them getting parted out(especially SVOs), but here they are:

'83-86 Thunderbird Turbo coupe
'85-89 Merkur XR4Ti
'83-86 Mercury Cougar XR7 (uncommon)
'83-84 Mustang GT Turbo (uncommon)
'83-85 Capri RS Turbo (uncommon)
'83-86 Mustang SVO (rare, ~9850 produced, roughly half are accounted for)

All the above came with either a .60/.63 or a .60/.48 T3 with a compressor marked "AiResearch" for the early years or "Garrett". The Turbo Coupes were equipped with a smaller IHI RHB5 for 1988 and 89. The '79-80 carbureted Mustang Turbos(Fox3 Fairmont introduced for '78 model year, Fox3 Mustang for '79, meaning '79 Mustangs were selling in '78.) had some other kind of T3 for which I have no specs.

Another option might be a CT26 out of an MKIII Supra or MKII MR2. The latemodel Subaru IHIs also seem pretty good.

abecedarian

wasn't the merkur scorpio also available with the 2.3 turbo?

Dirt Driver

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it only came with a Cologne 2.9 V6 in North America. Likewise I think the Sierra Cosworth was only available with a Cosworth YB-series 2.0L DOHC. I'm not not sure, though; the Euro stuff is mostly just trivia to me since they are all over the pond and not likely something I can own here.

Windsor

As Dirt Driver mentioned, fox-body mustangs started in '79.

In a former life, I owned a '78 Mustang2 (first car I bought) -- It went real slow with the pedal down.