Gear oil requirements for 87 4x4
#22
In my 88, I always ran MT90 in the tranny and T/C. I am a huge fan of Redline, but I wanted to get it done and because I didn't have enough MT90 at the house which I usually order from Summit, I researched a little...
I went to a few Acura and Honda sites after goggling it. These guys raved about Pennzoil Sychromesh and before any one says anything...yes, I know it does not have GL rating and yes, I know it was made for certain manuals for GM and Chyrsler. These ricer dudes raved about it. So I put what MT90 I had left in the transfer case and bought some Pennz Sychro for the tranny. After a thousand some miles now, it shifts very smooth. I've read it is nothing more than a 5w30 oil with a killer additive package I'm sure, so I wanted to give it a shot in my 94. It seems to be working very well as she shifts very well with no problems. Just food for thought...
I went to a few Acura and Honda sites after goggling it. These guys raved about Pennzoil Sychromesh and before any one says anything...yes, I know it does not have GL rating and yes, I know it was made for certain manuals for GM and Chyrsler. These ricer dudes raved about it. So I put what MT90 I had left in the transfer case and bought some Pennz Sychro for the tranny. After a thousand some miles now, it shifts very smooth. I've read it is nothing more than a 5w30 oil with a killer additive package I'm sure, so I wanted to give it a shot in my 94. It seems to be working very well as she shifts very well with no problems. Just food for thought...
#23
In my 88, I always ran MT90 in the tranny and T/C. I am a huge fan of Redline, but I wanted to get it done and because I didn't have enough MT90 at the house which I usually order from Summit, I researched a little...
I went to a few Acura and Honda sites after goggling it. These guys raved about Pennzoil Sychromesh and before any one says anything...yes, I know it does not have GL rating and yes, I know it was made for certain manuals for GM and Chyrsler. These ricer dudes raved about it. So I put what MT90 I had left in the transfer case and bought some Pennz Sychro for the tranny. After a thousand some miles now, it shifts very smooth. I've read it is nothing more than a 5w30 oil with a killer additive package I'm sure, so I wanted to give it a shot in my 94. It seems to be working very well as she shifts very well with no problems. Just food for thought...
I went to a few Acura and Honda sites after goggling it. These guys raved about Pennzoil Sychromesh and before any one says anything...yes, I know it does not have GL rating and yes, I know it was made for certain manuals for GM and Chyrsler. These ricer dudes raved about it. So I put what MT90 I had left in the transfer case and bought some Pennz Sychro for the tranny. After a thousand some miles now, it shifts very smooth. I've read it is nothing more than a 5w30 oil with a killer additive package I'm sure, so I wanted to give it a shot in my 94. It seems to be working very well as she shifts very well with no problems. Just food for thought...
Regular old 80-90 dino oil is doing just fine in my truck, has been for the 350,000 miles that the truck's been on the road so why mess with a good thing?
Last edited by TrikeKid; Sep 2, 2012 at 09:54 AM.
#24
Well, some food for thought for you, those Honda/Acura transaxles are designed to run on 5w30 motor oil, so the Syncromesh isn't massively lower viscosity than recommended like it is in a Toyota transmission that was designed for 75-90.
Regular old 80-90 dino oil is doing just fine in my truck, has been for the 350,000 miles that the truck's been on the road so why mess with a good thing?
Regular old 80-90 dino oil is doing just fine in my truck, has been for the 350,000 miles that the truck's been on the road so why mess with a good thing?
Check out that the Pennz Sychro is a 80w oil. Close to what our trannys need. I am going to look into this further.
#26
I used this as an alternative to the MT90. I'm going to keep researching it also. If I find a store around my area that sells GL4 rated gear oil, I'll probably look into that. So far, all I have seen is 80w90 and 75w90 GL5 rated oils. I may go back to the MT90 because that stuff was good. I'll keep posting here on the Sychromesh fluid which seems to be holding up just fine...
#27
Sta-Lube 85W-90 GL-4, found at NAPA.

Pennzoil Synchromesh is NOT a multi-viscosity/grade(75W/80W/85W-90) gear oil, and it is NOT GL-4 or GL-5 rated either. So it is NOT for use in Toyota manual transmissions. And YES it's basically "5W-30 non-detergent oil with a friction modifer and an EP (extreme pressure) additive". To be used ONLY in manual transaxles/transmissions where 5W-30 motor oil is recommended as the gear lubricant. Or where GM synchromesh is recommended.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...&Number=706459
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55150
http://www.stealth316.com/2-pennzoil-synchromesh.htm

Pennzoil Synchromesh is NOT a multi-viscosity/grade(75W/80W/85W-90) gear oil, and it is NOT GL-4 or GL-5 rated either. So it is NOT for use in Toyota manual transmissions. And YES it's basically "5W-30 non-detergent oil with a friction modifer and an EP (extreme pressure) additive". To be used ONLY in manual transaxles/transmissions where 5W-30 motor oil is recommended as the gear lubricant. Or where GM synchromesh is recommended.
Also, Pennzoil's Synchromesh info:
SYNCHROMESH FLUID
PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
TYPICAL PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
TEST METHOD TYPICAL RESULTS
API Gravity 27.3
Flash Point, COC, 385°F
Pour Point, °F -50
Viscosity (ASTM D-445)
@ 40°C, cSt 41.6
@ 100°C, cSt 9.08
@ 100°F, SUS 209.4
@ 210°F, SUS 56.7
Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270): 208
PENNZOILŽ SYNCHROMESH FLUID is a synchromesh transmission fluid designed for certain manual transaxles and
manual transmissions used by General Motors or Chrysler. PENNZOILŽ SYNCHROMESH FLUID is formulated with
high quality paraffinic base stocks, a fluidity modifier, multifunctional performance additives, corrosion inhibitors, a foam
suppressor and a shear stable viscosity index improver additive. It provides excellent oxidation stability, low temperature
performance, excellent synchronizer performance and compatibility with yellow metals, such as bronze, brass and copper
components found in manual transaxles and transmissions. This product will satisfactorily lubricate General Motors or
Chrysler manual transaxles and transmissions from -40°C to +150°C.
SYNCHROMESH FLUID
PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
TYPICAL PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
TEST METHOD TYPICAL RESULTS
API Gravity 27.3
Flash Point, COC, 385°F
Pour Point, °F -50
Viscosity (ASTM D-445)
@ 40°C, cSt 41.6
@ 100°C, cSt 9.08
@ 100°F, SUS 209.4
@ 210°F, SUS 56.7
Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270): 208
PENNZOILŽ SYNCHROMESH FLUID is a synchromesh transmission fluid designed for certain manual transaxles and
manual transmissions used by General Motors or Chrysler. PENNZOILŽ SYNCHROMESH FLUID is formulated with
high quality paraffinic base stocks, a fluidity modifier, multifunctional performance additives, corrosion inhibitors, a foam
suppressor and a shear stable viscosity index improver additive. It provides excellent oxidation stability, low temperature
performance, excellent synchronizer performance and compatibility with yellow metals, such as bronze, brass and copper
components found in manual transaxles and transmissions. This product will satisfactorily lubricate General Motors or
Chrysler manual transaxles and transmissions from -40°C to +150°C.
GM Synchromesh is NOT GL-4 spec...
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While having tranny work done the other day, I came to find out that the legendary GM Synchromesh is in fact, _not_ GL-4 spec.
I thought this when I bought some (having read some of the miracles of GM Synchro here), then noticed that there was no indication of it being GL-4 spec.
I first consulted w/ Todd Day of VFAQ who said that it definately should have some indication of it being GL-4 if it is.
I navigated to the www.pennzoil.com website (YES - for those people who have been saying people were dummies thinking that it was made by Pennzoil it is in fact made by Pennzoil). I found conclusive evidence of this somewhere, but frankly I am not going to bother digging it up.
Before you panic, the biggest threat of non GL-4 is corrosiveness to yellow metal. Syncromesh, according to the Pennzoil tech sheet, has "Excellent yellow metal compatibility".
http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/u...rans-Fluid.pdf
Lastly, I actually wrote Pennzoil, just to double check if Synchromesh was actually GL-4, and was just not mentioned. This is what I received in response:
--->
Dear David,
Since you did not specify what kind of vehicle you have, I can only tell you that our Synchromesh Fluid is for the following specs only:
GM 12345349
GM 12345577
Chrysler 4874464
It does not meet GL4 specs. Only vehicles meeting the aforementioned specs can use Synchromesh Fluid.
If you have any other questions or comments, please contact at
1-800-458-4998, M thru F, 8AM to 5PM, CST.
Adolph "D.J." Menuet
Technical Services Representative
<---
My conclusion? I wouldn't panic if you have Synchromesh in your car, but then I wouldn't use it the second time around either. I would move to what I was using before - Redline or another GL-4 spec gear oil.
My purpose? I just wanted to throw this out for the group here, whom have done so much for me. Hopefully some people will find this little bit of research helpful.
David
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While having tranny work done the other day, I came to find out that the legendary GM Synchromesh is in fact, _not_ GL-4 spec.
I thought this when I bought some (having read some of the miracles of GM Synchro here), then noticed that there was no indication of it being GL-4 spec.
I first consulted w/ Todd Day of VFAQ who said that it definately should have some indication of it being GL-4 if it is.
I navigated to the www.pennzoil.com website (YES - for those people who have been saying people were dummies thinking that it was made by Pennzoil it is in fact made by Pennzoil). I found conclusive evidence of this somewhere, but frankly I am not going to bother digging it up.
Before you panic, the biggest threat of non GL-4 is corrosiveness to yellow metal. Syncromesh, according to the Pennzoil tech sheet, has "Excellent yellow metal compatibility".
http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/u...rans-Fluid.pdf
Lastly, I actually wrote Pennzoil, just to double check if Synchromesh was actually GL-4, and was just not mentioned. This is what I received in response:
--->
Dear David,
Since you did not specify what kind of vehicle you have, I can only tell you that our Synchromesh Fluid is for the following specs only:
GM 12345349
GM 12345577
Chrysler 4874464
It does not meet GL4 specs. Only vehicles meeting the aforementioned specs can use Synchromesh Fluid.
If you have any other questions or comments, please contact at
1-800-458-4998, M thru F, 8AM to 5PM, CST.
Adolph "D.J." Menuet
Technical Services Representative
<---
My conclusion? I wouldn't panic if you have Synchromesh in your car, but then I wouldn't use it the second time around either. I would move to what I was using before - Redline or another GL-4 spec gear oil.
My purpose? I just wanted to throw this out for the group here, whom have done so much for me. Hopefully some people will find this little bit of research helpful.
David
Pennzoil Synchromesh Manual Transmission Fluid
by Jeff Lucius
The information presented here is gathered from the documents listed in the References section below.
Pennzoil-Quaker State Synchromesh is a unique transmission and transaxle fluid that is not API "GL" rated. It has an approximate gear oil grade of about SAE 80W and can be used when temperatures range from -40şF (-40şC) to 300şF (150şC). According to Pennzoil's product description it is "formulated with high quality paraffinic base stocks, a fluidity modifier, multifunctional performance additives, corrosion inhibitors, a foam suppressor and a shear stable viscosity index improver additive. It provides excellent oxidation stability, low temperature performance, excellent synchronizer performance and compatibility with yellow metals, such as bronze, brass and copper components found in manual transaxles and transmissions." This description makes Synchromesh suitable for use in some transaxles or transmissions where GL-4 gear oils are specified.
A post on the message board at www.oilanalysis.com found Synchromesh to consist of a 5W30 non-detergent oil with a friction modifer and an EP (extreme pressure) additive. It is made under contract for General Motors by Pennzoil (APC 3378) or by Texaco (Code 1874 MTX Fluid).
According to Don Johnson, Synchromesh fluid was developed for use in the New Venture manual transmission used by Chrysler and General Motors. Specifically, Synchromesh is formulated for transmissions that require GM Part No. 12345349 (Specification No. 9985648), GM Part No. 12345577, or Chrysler Part No. 4874464 (Specification MS-9224). Owners of Diamond Star Motors (DSM) Eclipse, Talon, and Laser cars with MMC (Mitsubishi Motor Corporation) transaxles have reported positive experiences using Synchromesh. The same can be said for owners of the Mitsubishi 3000GT and Dodge Stealth cars with the Getrag-manufactured AWD transaxles. The main benefit to DSM and 3/S owners seems to be excellent synchronizer performance, with reduced grinding and easier shifting compared to using some other gear oils.
Pennzoil Synchromesh Fluid can be purchased as that brand or as the equivalent products: Quaker State Synchromesh (Quaker State is part of Pennzoil), Texaco Synchromesh, GM Synchromesh, or AC Delco Synchromesh (part number 89021808). GM Synchromesh retails for about $10 per quart bottle at GM dealerships. Pennzoil Synchromesh is sold at many Auto Zone auto parts stores for about $5 per quart and should be available from Pennzoil distributors. Texaco Express Lube stores use Synchromesh but the stores I contacted would not sell the product by itself to customers. Pennzoil Synchromesh can be purchased in 5-gallon containers from oil-store.com.
by Jeff Lucius
The information presented here is gathered from the documents listed in the References section below.
Pennzoil-Quaker State Synchromesh is a unique transmission and transaxle fluid that is not API "GL" rated. It has an approximate gear oil grade of about SAE 80W and can be used when temperatures range from -40şF (-40şC) to 300şF (150şC). According to Pennzoil's product description it is "formulated with high quality paraffinic base stocks, a fluidity modifier, multifunctional performance additives, corrosion inhibitors, a foam suppressor and a shear stable viscosity index improver additive. It provides excellent oxidation stability, low temperature performance, excellent synchronizer performance and compatibility with yellow metals, such as bronze, brass and copper components found in manual transaxles and transmissions." This description makes Synchromesh suitable for use in some transaxles or transmissions where GL-4 gear oils are specified.
A post on the message board at www.oilanalysis.com found Synchromesh to consist of a 5W30 non-detergent oil with a friction modifer and an EP (extreme pressure) additive. It is made under contract for General Motors by Pennzoil (APC 3378) or by Texaco (Code 1874 MTX Fluid).
According to Don Johnson, Synchromesh fluid was developed for use in the New Venture manual transmission used by Chrysler and General Motors. Specifically, Synchromesh is formulated for transmissions that require GM Part No. 12345349 (Specification No. 9985648), GM Part No. 12345577, or Chrysler Part No. 4874464 (Specification MS-9224). Owners of Diamond Star Motors (DSM) Eclipse, Talon, and Laser cars with MMC (Mitsubishi Motor Corporation) transaxles have reported positive experiences using Synchromesh. The same can be said for owners of the Mitsubishi 3000GT and Dodge Stealth cars with the Getrag-manufactured AWD transaxles. The main benefit to DSM and 3/S owners seems to be excellent synchronizer performance, with reduced grinding and easier shifting compared to using some other gear oils.
Pennzoil Synchromesh Fluid can be purchased as that brand or as the equivalent products: Quaker State Synchromesh (Quaker State is part of Pennzoil), Texaco Synchromesh, GM Synchromesh, or AC Delco Synchromesh (part number 89021808). GM Synchromesh retails for about $10 per quart bottle at GM dealerships. Pennzoil Synchromesh is sold at many Auto Zone auto parts stores for about $5 per quart and should be available from Pennzoil distributors. Texaco Express Lube stores use Synchromesh but the stores I contacted would not sell the product by itself to customers. Pennzoil Synchromesh can be purchased in 5-gallon containers from oil-store.com.
Last edited by MudHippy; Sep 3, 2012 at 05:32 PM.
#28
"Mr. Hippy, FIRST NAME Mud, Please GO TO THE PRINCIPLES OFFICE.... You are once again in violation of 'schooling the teachers!' " , hehe... Seriously man, thanks for sharing all that you do. It's ALWAYS informative... whether conclusive or not. And in this case, it's very much so 'conclusive'.
I've run Castrol 75w-90 and 80w-90 in their perspective slots, for 600K miles between 3 rigs, including this one... NOT ONCE have I had a real problem with the Diff's/axles or Trans. (This trans NEARLY imploded because a crack in the housing by the drain bolt caused a leak that, well, led to me running dry on the road back.... Got a lil noisy... wouldn't stay in 4th...... Then, after fixing and refilling, it's now run another 90K, and no longer pops out of 4th! ..... It doesn't wanna go in, instead, now! lol. Meh, i just dry shift, and it NEVER grinds unless i try to use the clutch... So, eventually I'll rebuild or grab another... But for now, the Catrol GTX Gear Oils have done fine by me for many years. Could only find the right Castrol one, meeting the specs, at O'Reilly.... But that was a while back.
Anywhooooo, thanks again, man... much appreciated.
I've run Castrol 75w-90 and 80w-90 in their perspective slots, for 600K miles between 3 rigs, including this one... NOT ONCE have I had a real problem with the Diff's/axles or Trans. (This trans NEARLY imploded because a crack in the housing by the drain bolt caused a leak that, well, led to me running dry on the road back.... Got a lil noisy... wouldn't stay in 4th...... Then, after fixing and refilling, it's now run another 90K, and no longer pops out of 4th! ..... It doesn't wanna go in, instead, now! lol. Meh, i just dry shift, and it NEVER grinds unless i try to use the clutch... So, eventually I'll rebuild or grab another... But for now, the Catrol GTX Gear Oils have done fine by me for many years. Could only find the right Castrol one, meeting the specs, at O'Reilly.... But that was a while back.
Anywhooooo, thanks again, man... much appreciated.
Last edited by ChefYota4x4; Sep 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM.
#29
Hey MudHippy, thanks for the schooling...I always laughed at your responses to dudes who started to get snippy with you, which I will not. You seem to have alot of knowledge and I always enjoy your informative posts. 
Thanks for those two links. I don't like the fact of the EP additive which is not for yellow metal. I know that it wasn't made specifically for the Yota trannys and that it didn't have a GL rating, but I thought it would be safe. I'll try Napa for the Sta-Lube GL4 or maybe I will order more MT90 from Summit. I've always like the Redline. Thanks again.
Hey Chef, thanks for the Castrol info.

Thanks for those two links. I don't like the fact of the EP additive which is not for yellow metal. I know that it wasn't made specifically for the Yota trannys and that it didn't have a GL rating, but I thought it would be safe. I'll try Napa for the Sta-Lube GL4 or maybe I will order more MT90 from Summit. I've always like the Redline. Thanks again.
Hey Chef, thanks for the Castrol info.
#30
Pretty much everything you need to know about gear oil...
High quality gear oils must lubricate, cool and protect geared systems. They must also carry damaging wear debris away from contact zones and muffle the sound of gear operation. Commonly used in differential gears and standard transmission applications in commercial and passenger vehicles, as well as a variety of industrial machinery, gear oils must offer extreme temperature and pressure protection in order to prevent wear, pitting, spalling, scoring, scuffing and other types of damage that result in equipment failure and downtime. Protection against oxidation, thermal degradation, rust, copper corrosion and foaming is also important.
Gear Oil and Motor Oil Are Not the Same
Gear oil differs from motor oil. Most people assume that SAE 90 gear oil is much thicker than SAE 40 or 50 grade motor oil. However, they are the same viscosity. The difference is they are calculated by different classifications, SAE gear lube and SAE engine oil. Another main difference is the additives used to produce them.
Motor oil has to combat byproduct chemicals from gasoline or diesel ignition and should contain additives such as detergents and dispersants. Since an internal combustion engine has an oil pump and lubricates the bearings with a hydrodynamic film, the need for extreme pressure additives such as those used in gear oils does not exist in engines.
Engine oils and gear oils both have anti-wear additives, and they both must lubricate, cool and protect components, but gear oils are placed under extreme amounts of pressure, creating a propensity for boundary lubrication, a condition in which a full fluid lubricating film is not present between two rubbing surfaces. For example, differentials in cars and trucks have a ring and pinion hypoid gear set. A hypoid gear set can experience boundary lubrication, pressures and sliding action that can wipe most of the lubricant off the gears. To combat this extreme environment, extreme pressure additives are incorporated into the oil. Companies like AMSOIL use an extra treatment of extreme pressure additives in its gear oils in order to reduce wear and extend the gear and bearing life.
Additional Differences
Because many of the components found in the drivetrain consist of ferrous material, the lubricant is required to prevent rust and possible corrosion to other materials. Rust and corrosion problems are not nearly as prevalent in engines.
The many small and intricate components that make up gear sets found in the drivetrain can be quite noisy and may be subjected to shock loading. The viscosity and extreme pressure formulation of gear oil quiets gears and dissipates shock loading.
The rotating motion of the gear sets also tends to churn the lubricant, resulting in foaming. If a gear lube foams, the load carrying capacity is significantly reduced because the air suspended within the oil is compressible. For example, when the gear teeth come into contact with each other any trapped air bubbles will compress, therefore reducing the thickness of the separating oil film. In turn, this reduction could lead to direct metal-to-metal contact between gear teeth and result in accelerated wear. The gear oil must have the ability to dissipate this entrapped air, insuring a sufficient lubricating film exists to protect the gears from contact wear.
Typical Drivetrain Fluid Additives
Much like engine oil, the chemical compounds, or additives, added to drivetrain base stocks either enhance existing properties or impart new ones. Some of the additives that may be found in a drivetrain fluid include the following:
• Extreme pressure and/or antiwear agents - These additives are used to minimize component wear in boundary lubrication situations.
• Pour point depressants - This type of additive is used to improve low temperature performance.
• Rust and corrosion inhibitors - These are used to protect internal components.
• Oxidation inhibitors - These additives are used to reduce the deteriorating effects of heat on the lubricant, increasing the lubricant’s service life.
• Viscosity index improvers - These allow a lubricant to operate over a broader temperature range.
• Anti-foam agents - These are used to suppress the foaming tendency and dissipate entrapped air.
• Friction modifiers - The required degree of friction reduction can vary significantly between differing pieces of equipment in drivetrain applications. In some cases, friction modifiers may be required to obtain the desired results.
Gear Design Dictates Lube Design
Gear designs vary depending on the requirements for rotation speed, degree of gear reduction and torque loading. Manual transmissions commonly use helical gears for forward speeds and spur gears for reverse, differentials utilize hypoid ring and pinion gears gear designs and side and spider bevel gears.
Helical
Helical gears differ from spur gears in that their teeth are not parallel to the shaft axis; they are cut in a helix or angle around the gear axis. During rotation, parts of several teeth may be in mesh at the same time, which reduces some of the loading characteristics of the standard spur gear and provides quiet gear operation.
Spur
Spur (straight cut) gears are widely used in parallel shaft applications, due to their low cost and high efficiency. The design allows the entire gear tooth to make contact with the tooth face at the same instant. As a result, this type of gearing tends to be subjected to high shock loading and uneven motion. Design limitations include excessive noise and a significant amount of backlash during high-speed operation. Because of these limitations modern transmissions normally only use Spur gears for reverse.
Hypoid
Hypoid gear sets are a form of bevel gear, but offer improved efficiency and higher ratios over traditional straight bevel gears. Commonly found in axle differentials and used as the ring and pinion gears, hypoid gears are used to transmit power from the driveline to the axle shafts. Because of the spiral design and sliding action of Hypoid gears extreme pressure additives are required.
Bevel
Bevel gears (straight and spiral cut) transmit motion between shafts that are at an angle to each other. Primarily found in various types of industrial equipment, as well as some automotive applications such as side and spider gears in differentials. Side and spider gears provide differential speeds between the wheels and allow for smooth turning, such as when turning a corner when the outside wheel turns farther than the inside wheel.
Conclusion
The differences in gear design create the need for significantly different lubrication designs, which is why manual transmissions sometimes use much different lubrication than differentials. For instance, hypoid gears normally seen in automotive differentials require API GL-5 concentration and performance of extreme pressure additives because of their spiral sliding action. For everyday driving API GL-5 performance and SAE 75W-90 viscosity is recommended. Heavy towing or hauling may require the use of API GL-5, 75W-140 viscosity since pressure between the ring and pinion gears are elevated.
As for manual transmission gearing, how they are set up and the service factor dictates the use of many different oils. OEMs sometimes recommend automatic transmission fluid such as MERCON or ATF+4, specialty lubes such as synchromesh fluids and API GL-4, 75W-90 viscosity gear lube. The difference in GL-4 and GL-5 is that GL-4 gear lubes have half the extreme pressure additives of GL-5. Because the gear types in manual transmissions do not necessitate the use of GL-5 gear lube, GL-4 is the correct recommendation called for by most OEM’s when gear lube is required.
In all cases synthetic oils and gear lubes provide better fluidity at cold temperatures and higher oxidation resistance at elevated temperatures. Synthetics also provide longer service intervals than petroleum lubes. By recommending the correct synthetic lube for each application, customers will see the difference and feel comfortable about leaving their vehicle with you for future service.
http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/200...oilbasics.aspx and AMSOILŽ Synthetic Manual Transmission and Transaxle Gear Lube 75W-90 API GL-4 (MTG)
PS, Toyota recommends API GL-4 or GL-5, SAE 75W-90 in all 86-95 truck/4Runner manual transmissions and the transfer cases found behind them. I use the API/GL-4 SAE 85W90 with no issues, other than it being a little stiffer to shift for the first few minutes when it's really cold(say colder than ~45°F).
Gear Oil Basics
by Kevin Dinwiddie
AMSOIL Drivetrain Specialist Kevin Dinwiddie is a veteran of 28 years in the oil industry and a Certified Lubrication Specialist (CLS) by the Society of Tribologists and Lubrication Engineers (STLE).
This article appeared in ASO Magazine, March 2007
by Kevin Dinwiddie
AMSOIL Drivetrain Specialist Kevin Dinwiddie is a veteran of 28 years in the oil industry and a Certified Lubrication Specialist (CLS) by the Society of Tribologists and Lubrication Engineers (STLE).
This article appeared in ASO Magazine, March 2007
High quality gear oils must lubricate, cool and protect geared systems. They must also carry damaging wear debris away from contact zones and muffle the sound of gear operation. Commonly used in differential gears and standard transmission applications in commercial and passenger vehicles, as well as a variety of industrial machinery, gear oils must offer extreme temperature and pressure protection in order to prevent wear, pitting, spalling, scoring, scuffing and other types of damage that result in equipment failure and downtime. Protection against oxidation, thermal degradation, rust, copper corrosion and foaming is also important.
Gear Oil and Motor Oil Are Not the Same
Gear oil differs from motor oil. Most people assume that SAE 90 gear oil is much thicker than SAE 40 or 50 grade motor oil. However, they are the same viscosity. The difference is they are calculated by different classifications, SAE gear lube and SAE engine oil. Another main difference is the additives used to produce them.
Motor oil has to combat byproduct chemicals from gasoline or diesel ignition and should contain additives such as detergents and dispersants. Since an internal combustion engine has an oil pump and lubricates the bearings with a hydrodynamic film, the need for extreme pressure additives such as those used in gear oils does not exist in engines.
Engine oils and gear oils both have anti-wear additives, and they both must lubricate, cool and protect components, but gear oils are placed under extreme amounts of pressure, creating a propensity for boundary lubrication, a condition in which a full fluid lubricating film is not present between two rubbing surfaces. For example, differentials in cars and trucks have a ring and pinion hypoid gear set. A hypoid gear set can experience boundary lubrication, pressures and sliding action that can wipe most of the lubricant off the gears. To combat this extreme environment, extreme pressure additives are incorporated into the oil. Companies like AMSOIL use an extra treatment of extreme pressure additives in its gear oils in order to reduce wear and extend the gear and bearing life.
Additional Differences
Because many of the components found in the drivetrain consist of ferrous material, the lubricant is required to prevent rust and possible corrosion to other materials. Rust and corrosion problems are not nearly as prevalent in engines.
The many small and intricate components that make up gear sets found in the drivetrain can be quite noisy and may be subjected to shock loading. The viscosity and extreme pressure formulation of gear oil quiets gears and dissipates shock loading.
The rotating motion of the gear sets also tends to churn the lubricant, resulting in foaming. If a gear lube foams, the load carrying capacity is significantly reduced because the air suspended within the oil is compressible. For example, when the gear teeth come into contact with each other any trapped air bubbles will compress, therefore reducing the thickness of the separating oil film. In turn, this reduction could lead to direct metal-to-metal contact between gear teeth and result in accelerated wear. The gear oil must have the ability to dissipate this entrapped air, insuring a sufficient lubricating film exists to protect the gears from contact wear.
Typical Drivetrain Fluid Additives
Much like engine oil, the chemical compounds, or additives, added to drivetrain base stocks either enhance existing properties or impart new ones. Some of the additives that may be found in a drivetrain fluid include the following:
• Extreme pressure and/or antiwear agents - These additives are used to minimize component wear in boundary lubrication situations.
• Pour point depressants - This type of additive is used to improve low temperature performance.
• Rust and corrosion inhibitors - These are used to protect internal components.
• Oxidation inhibitors - These additives are used to reduce the deteriorating effects of heat on the lubricant, increasing the lubricant’s service life.
• Viscosity index improvers - These allow a lubricant to operate over a broader temperature range.
• Anti-foam agents - These are used to suppress the foaming tendency and dissipate entrapped air.
• Friction modifiers - The required degree of friction reduction can vary significantly between differing pieces of equipment in drivetrain applications. In some cases, friction modifiers may be required to obtain the desired results.
Gear Design Dictates Lube Design
Gear designs vary depending on the requirements for rotation speed, degree of gear reduction and torque loading. Manual transmissions commonly use helical gears for forward speeds and spur gears for reverse, differentials utilize hypoid ring and pinion gears gear designs and side and spider bevel gears.
Helical
Helical gears differ from spur gears in that their teeth are not parallel to the shaft axis; they are cut in a helix or angle around the gear axis. During rotation, parts of several teeth may be in mesh at the same time, which reduces some of the loading characteristics of the standard spur gear and provides quiet gear operation.
Spur
Spur (straight cut) gears are widely used in parallel shaft applications, due to their low cost and high efficiency. The design allows the entire gear tooth to make contact with the tooth face at the same instant. As a result, this type of gearing tends to be subjected to high shock loading and uneven motion. Design limitations include excessive noise and a significant amount of backlash during high-speed operation. Because of these limitations modern transmissions normally only use Spur gears for reverse.
Hypoid
Hypoid gear sets are a form of bevel gear, but offer improved efficiency and higher ratios over traditional straight bevel gears. Commonly found in axle differentials and used as the ring and pinion gears, hypoid gears are used to transmit power from the driveline to the axle shafts. Because of the spiral design and sliding action of Hypoid gears extreme pressure additives are required.
Bevel
Bevel gears (straight and spiral cut) transmit motion between shafts that are at an angle to each other. Primarily found in various types of industrial equipment, as well as some automotive applications such as side and spider gears in differentials. Side and spider gears provide differential speeds between the wheels and allow for smooth turning, such as when turning a corner when the outside wheel turns farther than the inside wheel.
Conclusion
The differences in gear design create the need for significantly different lubrication designs, which is why manual transmissions sometimes use much different lubrication than differentials. For instance, hypoid gears normally seen in automotive differentials require API GL-5 concentration and performance of extreme pressure additives because of their spiral sliding action. For everyday driving API GL-5 performance and SAE 75W-90 viscosity is recommended. Heavy towing or hauling may require the use of API GL-5, 75W-140 viscosity since pressure between the ring and pinion gears are elevated.
As for manual transmission gearing, how they are set up and the service factor dictates the use of many different oils. OEMs sometimes recommend automatic transmission fluid such as MERCON or ATF+4, specialty lubes such as synchromesh fluids and API GL-4, 75W-90 viscosity gear lube. The difference in GL-4 and GL-5 is that GL-4 gear lubes have half the extreme pressure additives of GL-5. Because the gear types in manual transmissions do not necessitate the use of GL-5 gear lube, GL-4 is the correct recommendation called for by most OEM’s when gear lube is required.
In all cases synthetic oils and gear lubes provide better fluidity at cold temperatures and higher oxidation resistance at elevated temperatures. Synthetics also provide longer service intervals than petroleum lubes. By recommending the correct synthetic lube for each application, customers will see the difference and feel comfortable about leaving their vehicle with you for future service.
PS, Toyota recommends API GL-4 or GL-5, SAE 75W-90 in all 86-95 truck/4Runner manual transmissions and the transfer cases found behind them. I use the API/GL-4 SAE 85W90 with no issues, other than it being a little stiffer to shift for the first few minutes when it's really cold(say colder than ~45°F).
Last edited by MudHippy; Sep 4, 2012 at 08:54 AM.
#31
Thanks for that "Gear Oil Basics" article. Very informative to say the least. I am sure other members will appreciate that as well. It is kind of odd that Toyota specs both GL4 and GL5 for the 1st and 2nd gen Runners/trucks when they require the GL4 for the tranny/TC.
Quick question: does the transfer case have yellow metal in it also or is it safe to run GL5? I've always run what I had in the transmission which was usually MT90 - in the 88. I've only owned the 94 over a year.
And...I went to my local Napa and what do ya know....? They had the CRC Sta-Lube GL4 85w90. I've been in that store how many times and I never thought to check out their gear lubes selection for a GL4 oil.
"PS, Toyota recommends API GL-4 or GL-5, SAE 75W-90 in all 86-95 truck/4Runner manual transmissions and the transfer cases found behind them. I use the API/GL-4 SAE 85W90 with no issues, other than it being a little stiffer to shift for the first few minutes when it's really cold(say colder than ~45°F)."
Thanks, I wanted to ask you about your experience with the 85w90.
I can add a notch to my belt....I've been schooled by MudHippy. Appreciate the input, bro.
Quick question: does the transfer case have yellow metal in it also or is it safe to run GL5? I've always run what I had in the transmission which was usually MT90 - in the 88. I've only owned the 94 over a year.
And...I went to my local Napa and what do ya know....? They had the CRC Sta-Lube GL4 85w90. I've been in that store how many times and I never thought to check out their gear lubes selection for a GL4 oil.
"PS, Toyota recommends API GL-4 or GL-5, SAE 75W-90 in all 86-95 truck/4Runner manual transmissions and the transfer cases found behind them. I use the API/GL-4 SAE 85W90 with no issues, other than it being a little stiffer to shift for the first few minutes when it's really cold(say colder than ~45°F)."
Thanks, I wanted to ask you about your experience with the 85w90.
I can add a notch to my belt....I've been schooled by MudHippy. Appreciate the input, bro.
#32
Mr. Hippy..... lil tangent here.... Do you have a bookmarked link to the discussions I keep hearing on "Blackstone testing" regarding CAI vs. OEM Toyota Air intake... or others? lol. The Putney's, and a few other builders I know, VERY MUCH steer away from the CAI, mainly cuz of what they've found with that type of testing, comparing motor oils after each of the 2. I'll not mention that again, and I apologize for the tangent... Just didn't wanna hit you with a PM over that... and, well, I figured MANY in this discussion might be interested.
OH YEAH, I almost forgot... I'm dropping off my rig to you asap for Gremlin ASSASSINATION! hahaha. JK, ... Thanks again, sir, I for one very much appreciate all the info you share... It's good to know the basics of "Use this!".... but then to learn why, and the semantics therein.. that's very good stuff!
OH YEAH, I almost forgot... I'm dropping off my rig to you asap for Gremlin ASSASSINATION! hahaha. JK, ... Thanks again, sir, I for one very much appreciate all the info you share... It's good to know the basics of "Use this!".... but then to learn why, and the semantics therein.. that's very good stuff!
#33
"Mr. Hippy..... lil tangent here.... Do you have a bookmarked link to the discussions I keep hearing on "Blackstone testing" regarding CAI vs. OEM Toyota Air intake... or others? lol. The Putney's, and a few other builders I know, VERY MUCH steer away from the CAI, mainly cuz of what they've found with that type of testing, comparing motor oils after each of the 2. I'll not mention that again, and I apologize for the tangent... Just didn't wanna hit you with a PM over that... and, well, I figured MANY in this discussion might be interested. "
I don't mind the tangent at all...That IS something I would definitely be INTERESTED in.
"It's good to know the basics of "Use this!".... but then to learn why, and the semantics therein.."
Very good point...
I don't mind the tangent at all...That IS something I would definitely be INTERESTED in.
"It's good to know the basics of "Use this!".... but then to learn why, and the semantics therein.."
Very good point...
#34
Well, alright then! lol. haha... Actually, I know it's not really 'belonging' here.. And that's not like me to do.. But I just wanted to throw it out there as I could maybe start a thread on it/or maybe finally find the thread regarding this topic! lol. K&N SWEARS that through testing their filtration is superior... Others, objective investigators, seem to say "ohhhh, yeah, NOT SO FAST", haha. I had a thread one time that was bookmarked, VERY IN DEPTH study on this type of blackstone testing... BUT, when i went back, it was 'this link is not found' or whatever.
haha. I've gone back to OEM intake... And while I don't mean in any way to DOG the CAI's... I would like to know if they're helpful or not. ESPECIALLY like to know if they cause more 'harmful debris' in the motor. In my rig, it seemed to bring in more air.. but it also seemed to DECREASE my mileage..... Didn't add enough power to risk what I'd read from Putney's, etc. So, I just figured, "Hey, I ran 257K with stock air intake and had NO problems from it.... Why not stick with the 'working, existing stuff's", ya know?
Thanks for being cool about it, Daved! haha.. I think it's an important question, whether it fits here or not, haha. I mean, these are made for LONGEVITY! And if you're going for a stroker and 5000RPM+ all day long in a race 22R... then hey, you don't care about longevity.. BUt MOST I read are going for "A lil more performance and equal longevity, or close". right?
Same with the gears.... They're SENSITIVE to foreign alterations... Some apparently work great... Some, OBVIOUSLY^^^ do not seem ideal, maybe more so "harmful".
#35
I'l have to get back to you on that...
Toyota has deemed it safe to use GL-5 in their manual transmissions and transfer cases. So the whole "yellow metal" thing must not be an issue. Since there's "yellow metal" in all of them(Toyota transmissions & transfer cases). That's why many do choose to run GL-5 75W-90 in their transmissions and transfer cases(and/or axles). As that's the easiest stuff to find. I've done it myself. And it worked just fine in my transmission. And I've always run GL-5 75W-90 in my transfer case and axles. However, it feels like my transmission shifts a little better with the GL-4 in it. But only slightly.
Anywho, choosing to run GL-4 in your manual transmission is only to try and improve shift quality. Because it's theoretically not as good as GL-5(or GL-6) for protecting the transmission components from wear(due to extreme pressure/scuffing). In fact it's the amount of EP/anti-scuffing additives in GL-5(or GL-6) that make it "too slippery" to allow the synchros to mesh easily. So shift quality suffers slightly when it's used(compared to GL-2/3/4). The main purpose of having as much EP/anti-scuffing additives as GL-4 gear oil has(~2x as much as GL-3, but only ~.5x as much as GL-5)is so that it can be used on hypoid(ring and pinion) gears and/or manual transmissions. GL-3 doesn't have enough EP/anti-scuffing additives to protect hypoid gears(but would theoretically be better for improving shift quality in manual transmissions than GL-4/5/6 because of it having less EP/anti-scuffing additives). GL-1 and GL-2 have no EP/anti-scuffing additives(so either would offer less EP/anti-scuffing protection than GL-3, and way less than GL-4/5/6, and in theory GL-2 would be best for improving shift quality in manual transmissions, since GL-1 is not recommended for manual transmissions with synchronizers). GL-6 has ~2x as much EP/anti-scuffing additives as GL-5, and would therefore be the worst as far as improving shift quality, but would be BY FAR the best at preventing wear from extreme pressure/scuffing.
Notice the words MULTI-PURPOSE and HYPOID on the front of the jug of GL-4? Now you know why.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_oil
It is kind of odd that Toyota specs both GL4 and GL5 for the 1st and 2nd gen Runners/trucks when they require the GL4 for the tranny/TC.
Quick question: does the transfer case have yellow metal in it also or is it safe to run GL5? I've always run what I had in the transmission which was usually MT90 - in the 88. I've only owned the 94 over a year.
Quick question: does the transfer case have yellow metal in it also or is it safe to run GL5? I've always run what I had in the transmission which was usually MT90 - in the 88. I've only owned the 94 over a year.
Anywho, choosing to run GL-4 in your manual transmission is only to try and improve shift quality. Because it's theoretically not as good as GL-5(or GL-6) for protecting the transmission components from wear(due to extreme pressure/scuffing). In fact it's the amount of EP/anti-scuffing additives in GL-5(or GL-6) that make it "too slippery" to allow the synchros to mesh easily. So shift quality suffers slightly when it's used(compared to GL-2/3/4). The main purpose of having as much EP/anti-scuffing additives as GL-4 gear oil has(~2x as much as GL-3, but only ~.5x as much as GL-5)is so that it can be used on hypoid(ring and pinion) gears and/or manual transmissions. GL-3 doesn't have enough EP/anti-scuffing additives to protect hypoid gears(but would theoretically be better for improving shift quality in manual transmissions than GL-4/5/6 because of it having less EP/anti-scuffing additives). GL-1 and GL-2 have no EP/anti-scuffing additives(so either would offer less EP/anti-scuffing protection than GL-3, and way less than GL-4/5/6, and in theory GL-2 would be best for improving shift quality in manual transmissions, since GL-1 is not recommended for manual transmissions with synchronizers). GL-6 has ~2x as much EP/anti-scuffing additives as GL-5, and would therefore be the worst as far as improving shift quality, but would be BY FAR the best at preventing wear from extreme pressure/scuffing.
Notice the words MULTI-PURPOSE and HYPOID on the front of the jug of GL-4? Now you know why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_oil
Last edited by MudHippy; Sep 24, 2012 at 06:43 AM.
#36
VALVOLINE HIGH PERFORMANCE GEAR OIL $6.99 QT, GL-4 Compatible Valvoline High Performance Gear Oils are superior sulfur-phosphorus, extreme pressure gear lubricants formulated with premium quality base stocks to meet the demands for excellent performance. It is designed to provide excellent load carrying capacity, extreme pressure properties, anti-foam performance, demulsibility, corrosion protection, thermal stability protection, and service fill limited slip capability. These products are recommended for conventional rear axles, limited slip rear axles, and transmissions requiring EP gear lubes under high speed, high load, high torque, and high horsepower conditions. Valvoline High Performance Gear Oils meet or exceed API Services GL-5 and GL-4* The inclusion of Limited Slip Friction Modifier in this product makes it unnecessary to add additional friction modifier (Ford M2C118A, Chrysler MS-5630, or GM1052358) in most vehicles. API GL-4 * 75W-90 80W-90 85W-140
#37
VALVOLINE HIGH PERFORMANCE GEAR OIL $6.99 QT, GL-4 Compatible Valvoline High Performance Gear Oils are superior sulfur-phosphorus, extreme pressure gear lubricants formulated with premium quality base stocks to meet the demands for excellent performance. It is designed to provide excellent load carrying capacity, extreme pressure properties, anti-foam performance, demulsibility, corrosion protection, thermal stability protection, and service fill limited slip capability. These products are recommended for conventional rear axles, limited slip rear axles, and transmissions requiring EP gear lubes under high speed, high load, high torque, and high horsepower conditions. Valvoline High Performance Gear Oils meet or exceed API Services GL-5 and GL-4* The inclusion of Limited Slip Friction Modifier in this product makes it unnecessary to add additional friction modifier (Ford M2C118A, Chrysler MS-5630, or GM1052358) in most vehicles. API GL-4 * 75W-90 80W-90 85W-140
#38
What it really boils down to is protecting internal components from wear vs. improving shift quality. You don't get one without taking away from the other. Discounting claims made by the makers of the aforementioned AMSOIL Synthetic (MTG) GL-4 and/or RED LINE MTLŽ/MT-90 Synthetic GL-1/2/3/4(which would be a "win-win" using either or, if true), and/or the claims made by the makers of GL-6 Rated Richmond Synthetic Manual Transmission Fluid(which are almost too good to be true).
So THE REALLY BIG QUESTION is do you:
a) Want your manual transmission to shift better as long as it lasts?
Or
b) Want your manual transmission to last longer as long as it shifts?
If you chose a, then you should use GL-4. If chose b, then you should use GL-5(or better yet GL-6).
Last edited by MudHippy; Sep 4, 2012 at 03:31 PM.
#39
I'm still looking into this subject for further discussion.
But I would like to ask one question here....
Is there anyone here who has used a GL5 gear oil in the tranny exclusively and have had no problems/any problems?
Thank you...thank you very much....
But I would like to ask one question here....
Is there anyone here who has used a GL5 gear oil in the tranny exclusively and have had no problems/any problems?
Thank you...thank you very much....
Last edited by daved5150; Sep 24, 2012 at 07:47 PM. Reason: took out "transfer case"
#40
theres TOO much reading...i need photos !
i gotta do this soon too.
so this is what your all recomending ?

about $10.oo a quart ?
for both transmission and transfercase ? = 5qts. (including spillage)
subscribed
i gotta do this soon too.
so this is what your all recomending ?

about $10.oo a quart ?
for both transmission and transfercase ? = 5qts. (including spillage)
subscribed
Last edited by idanity; Sep 23, 2012 at 03:55 PM.


