doa or lce???
Oct 27, 2007 | 03:11 PM
#21
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From: Richmond , Va / Henrico Co.
I would speak to the guy at Custom Machining USA and see what he thinks he can build ya. You'll notice no unsubstanciated HP quotes on that site there.
Does a 2.7L stroker sound interesting?
I bought some manganese bronze bushings from him and they were top quality. I'd do business with him again for sure.
Does a 2.7L stroker sound interesting?
I bought some manganese bronze bushings from him and they were top quality. I'd do business with him again for sure.
Oct 27, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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why do so many people put the 3.0 down... my god i have one for 13 f'n years and it runs better than any car or truck ive seen for its age.
camping trips, off roading, desert trips, and it still hold up great.
im gonna end up switching to the 3.4 when this dies, but i am not expecting that for a lonnnggg time..
the gaskets i give you that, they are gay. but once you replace them with some badass ones, your in good shape.
all in all, if you think the 3.0 is bad. get a f'n ford ranger. then we will talk
camping trips, off roading, desert trips, and it still hold up great.
im gonna end up switching to the 3.4 when this dies, but i am not expecting that for a lonnnggg time..
the gaskets i give you that, they are gay. but once you replace them with some badass ones, your in good shape.
all in all, if you think the 3.0 is bad. get a f'n ford ranger. then we will talk
Oct 27, 2007 | 03:43 PM
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why do so many people put the 3.0 down... my god i have one for 13 f'n years and it runs better than any car or truck ive seen for its age.
camping trips, off roading, desert trips, and it still hold up great.
im gonna end up switching to the 3.4 when this dies, but i am not expecting that for a lonnnggg time..
the gaskets i give you that, they are gay. but once you replace them with some badass ones, your in good shape.
all in all, if you think the 3.0 is bad. get a f'n ford ranger. then we will talk
camping trips, off roading, desert trips, and it still hold up great.
im gonna end up switching to the 3.4 when this dies, but i am not expecting that for a lonnnggg time..
the gaskets i give you that, they are gay. but once you replace them with some badass ones, your in good shape.
all in all, if you think the 3.0 is bad. get a f'n ford ranger. then we will talk
I guess a happy loved 3.0 is faster than one peeps complain about , I wouldn't run for your little tucas's either ROFL
258K and still running like a rabbit with its butt on fire baby
Oct 28, 2007 | 12:19 PM
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Oct 30, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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personally i had a good experience buying from lce and their headers seem to be a high quality, and from all the bad things iv heard about doa, i would go for lce. doa just seems like gambling with no reward
Nov 19, 2007 | 01:02 PM
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DOA has done well by us. We have a DOA-built 2.7L in our Tacoma and it's been excellent. Built to handle 1000 miles every week for the company--hauling axles, gear, tires, and heading out to wheeling events.
DOA makes good engines.
DOA makes good engines.
Nov 21, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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DOA hands down. I do suggest anyone who does not posses the skills to assemble and properly tune a long block use an authorized installer. Many issue can come up during assembly, install, and initial fire up. Those first 20 Minutes are critical.
I have a bit over 2k on my engine. The truck is used for hardcore rock crawling style wheeling. It's an 85 Extra cab, 37" tires, 5.29's arbs etc.,, weighs in at 4400 lb's with my fat ass in the seat.
It is driven everywhere, and is reliable enough to be a daily driver. Highway gas mileage is 23mpg, combo is 16. Not bad for a tank with a 4 banger. It will get even better once it gets 10k and above on it.
DOA's service and support is always above and beyond, 10 out of 10.
Just like Toyota 4WD Toyota Owner Mag, Tim and I spoke at great length about how i use my truck, and Tim engineered the engine to meet my needs. He nailed it! No one else I talked to took the time.
Before and after 1/4 mile runs confirm i went from ~90 to ~120 at the wheels, and in the aprox 30% loss from the drive train (Likely higher in my rig because of the dual cases), and I am at 156 at the flywheel. Right where DOA advertises it will be. What really amazes me is that the old engine still put out ~117 at the flywheel, with 2 burned exhaust vales ....
See my build from start to finish here:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=542881&
All the pics of the engine are here:
http://www.rocknroll4x4.com/gallery/...s.php?album=19
The attention to detail is phenomenal. When I received my engine, it was a piece of art.
I have a bit over 2k on my engine. The truck is used for hardcore rock crawling style wheeling. It's an 85 Extra cab, 37" tires, 5.29's arbs etc.,, weighs in at 4400 lb's with my fat ass in the seat.
It is driven everywhere, and is reliable enough to be a daily driver. Highway gas mileage is 23mpg, combo is 16. Not bad for a tank with a 4 banger. It will get even better once it gets 10k and above on it.
DOA's service and support is always above and beyond, 10 out of 10.
Just like Toyota 4WD Toyota Owner Mag, Tim and I spoke at great length about how i use my truck, and Tim engineered the engine to meet my needs. He nailed it! No one else I talked to took the time.
Before and after 1/4 mile runs confirm i went from ~90 to ~120 at the wheels, and in the aprox 30% loss from the drive train (Likely higher in my rig because of the dual cases), and I am at 156 at the flywheel. Right where DOA advertises it will be. What really amazes me is that the old engine still put out ~117 at the flywheel, with 2 burned exhaust vales ....
See my build from start to finish here:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=542881&
All the pics of the engine are here:
http://www.rocknroll4x4.com/gallery/...s.php?album=19
The attention to detail is phenomenal. When I received my engine, it was a piece of art.
Nov 21, 2007 | 08:52 AM
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As to doing research...I did.
What you have to remember is that when all this went down years ago and there wasn't much out there.
The 3.4 swap just wasn't avail at the time.
I found Tim 'the thief' Jenkins and fell for his line of BS. He's a smooth talker, no question.
My bad on the 22r...it was late when I posted that.
However, Dead On Arrivial still is not someone you'd want to do business with. A swap is still the best way to get more power and enginebuilder is still a reputable place to get rebuild parts.
No question I've probably got the fastest 3.turd around, but it was a nightmare to get there and I spent a bloody fortune, not to mention all the downtime and aggravation. Seat of the pants it's not nearly as quick as a stock 3.4/auto I drove. With the time and money I spent I could have put a LS1 and a whole new drivetrain in there.
So...stock 22r rebuild, use a local machinist who will offer and stand behind his warranty and get your parts from someone reputable like enginebuilder. Stay as far away from DOA as you can.
And I still say that if you are looking to get real power and are planning to spend the bucks on all the hopups to make your 22 as powerful as you can, you are better off swapping a more modern engine in. I've been down this path. You can either listen to what others have gone thru and avoid their mistakes, or repeat them. The choice is yours.
What you have to remember is that when all this went down years ago and there wasn't much out there.
The 3.4 swap just wasn't avail at the time.
I found Tim 'the thief' Jenkins and fell for his line of BS. He's a smooth talker, no question.
My bad on the 22r...it was late when I posted that.
However, Dead On Arrivial still is not someone you'd want to do business with. A swap is still the best way to get more power and enginebuilder is still a reputable place to get rebuild parts.
No question I've probably got the fastest 3.turd around, but it was a nightmare to get there and I spent a bloody fortune, not to mention all the downtime and aggravation. Seat of the pants it's not nearly as quick as a stock 3.4/auto I drove. With the time and money I spent I could have put a LS1 and a whole new drivetrain in there.
So...stock 22r rebuild, use a local machinist who will offer and stand behind his warranty and get your parts from someone reputable like enginebuilder. Stay as far away from DOA as you can.
And I still say that if you are looking to get real power and are planning to spend the bucks on all the hopups to make your 22 as powerful as you can, you are better off swapping a more modern engine in. I've been down this path. You can either listen to what others have gone thru and avoid their mistakes, or repeat them. The choice is yours.
And i dont think mosk is making big enough #'s for what he's spent.
People on customtaco's are turboing their 2rz's and 7psi on stock gaskets is good for 220rwhp, and 9psi with arp head studs and cometic head gasket, 250whp, 9psi with water to air IC.. 285hp.... and with a standalone, at 18psi (yes 18) 375hp... EVERYTHING ELSE stock... except studs and head gasket.
Most should be in the mid 300's at the wheels for the time and $ he's put into it...
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Nov 21, 2007 | 01:08 PM
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http://www.rpmmachine.com/engine-reb...s-toyota.shtml
has anyone ever dealt with these guys?
if so what is the quality of parts?
has anyone ever dealt with these guys?
if so what is the quality of parts?
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Nov 21, 2007 | 01:24 PM
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Read the fine print. Most warranties don't cover labor, which is the real expense if it goes bad, has to be pulled, diagnosed, and reinstalled again.
Ideally, you'd get a "no fault" warranty - but they're rare in the 4 stroke world.
If I was having it done, I'd have it done by a shop that would warranty both the labor and the motor.
Ideally, you'd get a "no fault" warranty - but they're rare in the 4 stroke world.
If I was having it done, I'd have it done by a shop that would warranty both the labor and the motor.
Nov 21, 2007 | 02:45 PM
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just my $o.o2
the only way to do it right is to do it yourself but if you don't have the means and if the block is still good my opinion would be to try and find a reputable machinist. and stop in frequently.(i don't think i would trust any company with buying an engine that i'm just gonna go and put in my truck i'm anal like that) but it's ultimatly up to you to do the research
what i did was just make sure the crank was internally balanced(i.e. nobody messed with it) cause i got my engine out of a 4runner that was in a rear end accident. made sure the pistons sat perfectly(i.e. measured new pistons and honed to the exact thousandth with the utmost care) got forged connecting rods(due to a rod blowing through the old block) decked the block, decked the heads along with studded head bolts(for known head gasket problem) i am having LCE make me adjustable camshaft sprockets due to the decking and for ease of fine tuning. i am getting the headers from LCE, 3" borla catback(and of course hollowing out the cat) i took the air intake canister from a 92' supra(the connector fits right in and it's pretty much the same thing except the door is a little bigger and the air goes straight through the canister from the grill back instead of the canister swirling downward and sucking air from the back of the headlight assembly) i am getting a larger bore throttle body(not sure form whom yet) almost all the components have been purchaced new and in the spring time i am porting and polishing the heads along with performance cams and larger valves (the reason i am waiting til' spring is because it will make the head gasket replacement more enjoyable and my money tree hasn't sprouted yet)
what i am going for is a well rounded reliable truck
i know your talkin about a 22re but i'm just sayin be practical have a purpose for what your doing and there is always a simple science.
....and if i didn't already have the pistons in hand when i found the thread of the guy doing the camry head swap i would have done that...no doubt
how does my build sound to all you nay sayers?(figuratively speaking of course), has anyone ever dealt with rpm machine toyota master engine rebuild kits? and if nobody likes downey or DOA where would you suggest getting my larger bore throttle body?
Drew
what i did was just make sure the crank was internally balanced(i.e. nobody messed with it) cause i got my engine out of a 4runner that was in a rear end accident. made sure the pistons sat perfectly(i.e. measured new pistons and honed to the exact thousandth with the utmost care) got forged connecting rods(due to a rod blowing through the old block) decked the block, decked the heads along with studded head bolts(for known head gasket problem) i am having LCE make me adjustable camshaft sprockets due to the decking and for ease of fine tuning. i am getting the headers from LCE, 3" borla catback(and of course hollowing out the cat) i took the air intake canister from a 92' supra(the connector fits right in and it's pretty much the same thing except the door is a little bigger and the air goes straight through the canister from the grill back instead of the canister swirling downward and sucking air from the back of the headlight assembly) i am getting a larger bore throttle body(not sure form whom yet) almost all the components have been purchaced new and in the spring time i am porting and polishing the heads along with performance cams and larger valves (the reason i am waiting til' spring is because it will make the head gasket replacement more enjoyable and my money tree hasn't sprouted yet)
what i am going for is a well rounded reliable truck
i know your talkin about a 22re but i'm just sayin be practical have a purpose for what your doing and there is always a simple science.
....and if i didn't already have the pistons in hand when i found the thread of the guy doing the camry head swap i would have done that...no doubt
how does my build sound to all you nay sayers?(figuratively speaking of course), has anyone ever dealt with rpm machine toyota master engine rebuild kits? and if nobody likes downey or DOA where would you suggest getting my larger bore throttle body?
Drew
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