That is what i am wanting to do

 

I don't see the point in going that big with no lift. I'll admit it looks cool, but wheres the function? Maybe if your were planning on dropping a small block in there for muddin only. My opinions only. My rock crawling brain doesn't comprehend beyond that.

 

If it's fixed, don't break it. ..uhh... if it's broke, don't fix it...
... dagnabbit ...
Don't re-invent the wheel.
If you need wheel clearance, then do a body lift, 'glass fenders or whatever... just don't do anything you can't un-do. Or at least be prepared to accept less money when you sell it than what you put into it.

I need a gas tank for my motorcycle and refuse to pay NOS pricing and the wrecking yards aren't any cheaper. I'll buy a complete 'scrap' bike before I waste money on some remenial part. So my bike is setting in the garage waiting for the right part at the right price.

 

For me, i want the lower lift. I had issues with center of gravity before and won. I wont be doing a body lift, BTDT. A small lift isnt out of the question, but i would rather just open up the fenders. The runner isnt going to be an extreme rig, it is my DD now and for the future, but will also turn into the family truckster trail rig, since i cant drive my cj3a long distances.

 

I suppose your talking about that 85 on 37's..?

You of all people dont comprehend that he wants to keep his COG low while gaining the ground clearance of 37's...
Seems like a viable thing, Especially in a 4runner..
I look at runners wheeling and the body roll is ungodly, reminds me of why I like wheeling a pickup not a wester wagon...

 

I don't know what kind of rock crawling you're doing. Where's the function? Large tires with a low center of gravity. In order to fit large tires 35''+ you'll need at least 4'' lift unless you cut the body. Rock crawling is all about low gearing, lockers, and large tires while keeping a LOW CENTER OF GRAVITY. Its not about about "looking cool". Mudding is all about huge lifts and large tires and displacement. Completely opposite. However, that is neither here or there. The point is as stated above large tires with low center of gravity. That is a large function.

 

I like Abe's words don't do something you cant undo.

My preference is articulation>ground clearence.
IMO only. Nothing against what people or doing. to all.

Note to self (and wife), take your top off before wheeling.

 

Articulation Articulation Articulation

37s and no suspension = useless. How are you going to drop one side when you're stuffed on a 6" pebble.

With good articulation and suspension body roll disappears.
I understand what lift you need to fit what tire size. That 85 that was linked has 37s with no lift. What is the point?

 

Thus is true...

 

I think there is a fine line between tire size and lift to maintain the best of all three things; articulation, ground clearence, low center of gravity. You figure it out. Whats best for your application?

Chopping your fenders or running no fenders obviously does wonders for tire clearence, which helps articulation. I'm just not into it. Spacers also allow you to lower the center of gravity by setting a wider stance. Lots of options. I wouldn't chop anything, personally.

 

This is true. However if you put a 2 inch lift with nice and soft springs on and cut the fenders then you get the best of both worlds.

 

Exactly right! Its just your personal opinion that you don't like cutting the fenders. But there IS a function to cutting your fenders.

 

if its that big of an issue, i would just buy some old rusted out quarter panels. i do like a nice stock clean truck though

 

^^agreed^^

Chopping will def get you to that next level. To further that point, why not just remove it all and tube it all. Where do you draw the line?

Im glad everyone is cool on this site.

 

Let me add I don't see the function in running 37s and no suspension with chopped fenders.

 

Cutting fenders is way different than making a tube chasis. I sense a bit of sarcasm here? I'm not trying to get into an argument. I'm just stating that there is in fact a function to cutting fenders. And personally I don't care what someone has done to there truck. As long as they wheel it, it is cool with me.

You've said that already and it has been addressed.

 

No sarcasm brother. No arguing. I am sincerely glad about the coolness of the people on here. I have images of wab fabs (Brian's) runner with no fenders, articulated beyond belief with out fenders. The next step is tubed fenders and tubed exo, no body...oh its endless. No bad vibes here man! I have enjoyed the intelligent conversion here without the retarded arguing thats goes nowhere.

 

Ok good! lol I agree with you 100%

 

haha I hope DanStew gets all these ramblings.

Dan - be sure and keep us posted on the "chop or not to chop" decision. I'm always interested in peoples hack jobs. Shows who the artists are and who the hacks are. lol

 

OH boy did i open up a wasp nest

Here is what i am looking at.
I really am not going larger than 35s (given that always seems to change) But I want to open up the fenders to fit, i know if i got a small lift it would clear fine for that size. I will do a SAS. I am thinking 2 inch lift. I am curious if the springs used for the SAS in the kits are the same size as the factory springs (length wise) as stock solid axle rigs. If so i could get away with getting a set of smaller lift springs for a stock vehicle and home brew my SAS. Also with this SAS I am debating on going spring under and getting custom leaf packs for better flex. Why? The spring under adds some stability. I am not looking for extreme rock crawling, but a super stable setup. I always argues with friends of mine in the local clubs who have rigs that are super flexy but have no lockers, they can articulate like hell but get no traction. But back on subject, for trimming i want to take out abotu an inch or two. I am not a fan of comp cutting and all that, I wanta Toyota and will try to keep it looking like a toyota. Bobbing the rear, i would love to do, but that is the one mod that i cant see doing to the rig,being so clean it is. Who knows i may find a differnt rig to cut up. Still alot of it is in planning stages.

Thanks guys!