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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:20 AM
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Question clutch is soft 88 4x4

my clutch pedal is very soft, it seems very easy (like a gas pedal) to depress.

i also have a 86 and that one feels much stiffer- more resistance.

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bought this and replaced the clutch (then, due to being soft, not slipping) with DeathCouger, we replaced the flywheel, center bearing, clutch etc, (all oem) and it works, it sticks, it doesnt slip..but

its just so soft.
how can i get the pedal to have more resistance, or is this normal ?
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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i would try bleeding the sytem down again.

may have some air in the line?
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:50 AM
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I'm assuming you replaced the pressure plate, correct?
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:55 AM
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An air bubble in the line would cause that. Bleed it. The bleeder valve is located on the passenger's side of the bellhousing if I remember correct.
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 12:32 PM
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will check for air bubbles, no we didnt do that..thanks

what is the "pressure plate"..is that the bracket that goes around the shaft ? that was either replaced or just cleaned and good.

it does feel like a air bubble, and if it is a bubble, would multiple pumps tighten it up (as it would on the brakes) ?
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 01:08 PM
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nope on my 88 truck it is so easy to push the pedal i have bled the system 4 times and its good drives good too.. i have no problems yet
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 88'Black-sub
nope on my 88 truck it is so easy to push the pedal i have bled the system 4 times and its good drives good too.. i have no problems yet

so, im glad your saying that, b/c i am pretty thorough...
your saying, (and everyone chime in too please) the 88's (at least 2 sofar) have a different type clutch or slave cylinder ?

it just feels too easy. i pumped it a bunch, but its the same.
it works, and i know the clutch is brand spankin new, so its either the slave has a higher compression ratio or its air..
and if you bled it 4 times, i can have faith its a different slave..
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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Mine's always been soft too.
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 04:44 PM
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what lb pressure plate is it? this could affect peddle pressure?
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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The clutch is operated hydraulically. An air bubble in the system might make it feel 'spongy' like pedal pressure changes a bit and the clutch engage / disengage point is kind of 'floating'.
But saying that the pedal 'feels' soft points to either a pressure plate with less pressure required to actuate it, or the clutch master cylinder has a significant advantage over the slave cylinder, compared to what you're used to.
If the clutch is disengaging well before your pedal hits the floor, I'd guess everything is fine and all you're feeling is normal.

If you want more resistance, install springs on the release arm and clutch pedal to fight your foot.
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
T install springs on the release arm and clutch pedal to fight your foot.
yeah..thanks..lol

i guess its just normal, i will get used to it.
thanks everyone, and since a few more chimed in on soft pedals, than i will just "adjust".
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Old Nov 5, 2008 | 04:30 PM
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UPDATE...

went to Nix99 today (best toyota parts place) and after talkn w/DeathCouger (again helping ) i remember (he reminded actually) the infamous weak brackets...but mines ok

the problem he did find was a leaking master cylinder...(at least i know before its too late)

so, i guess i have another project...
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 02:52 PM
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Leaky master cyl.

Originally Posted by idanity
UPDATE...the problem he did find was a leaking master cylinder...(at least i know before its too late) so, i guess i have another project...
Hey idanity, I too have a leaky master cyl. just outta curiousuty what did yers cost? Im broke and so's the truck.
thanks
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Old Nov 24, 2008 | 03:59 PM
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haven't fixed it yet

been working on my bmw...and selling the 86 extra cab...
i guess there was some fluid there, but its not leaking...been driving it for a month, and all is ok.

i guess i should not forget about it, but i have grown accustomed to the "easy" pedal...
but, i think a rebuilt master cylinder is around 30 bucks. fluid is around 10, and the time to bleed it all, is a few hours
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Old Nov 24, 2008 | 04:22 PM
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Bring it to me, I'll have it done in 30 minutes or less, or your pizza is free!
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Old Nov 24, 2008 | 04:53 PM
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mmm... pizza. combination?

and don't forget the nature of a hydraulic clutch will make it seem soft, maybe even 'numb' or possibly 'twitchy' compared to a cable or linkage actuated clutch....

and DC did reference free pizza anyways... so make it hard for him to fix.

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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCougar
Bring it to me, I'll have it done in 30 minutes or less, or your pizza is free!
just may do that, b/c my left hand is still not...well, what it used to be.
it doesn't leak tho..it may have been some wd40 i sprayed in there, after i hosed it all out.

been driving it daily for a few months now..no issues
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 08:06 PM
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I just had the same prob; clutch cyl. O'reilly's had 1 for 26 bucks.
Replaced it in about 30 mins, had someone else push on the pedal, for bleed purposes, so i didn't have to crawl in , and out, under the engine.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
mmm... pizza. combination?

and don't forget the nature of a hydraulic clutch will make it seem soft, maybe even 'numb' or possibly 'twitchy' compared to a cable or linkage actuated clutch....

and DC did reference free pizza anyways... so make it hard for him to fix.

My clutch has always been super soft. Even after I installed my marlin clutch. Can't complain though, I can DD this thing in traffic everyday easy!
Last time I jumped behind the wheel of my friends ranger my leg almost fell off by the time I got home..
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Old Dec 18, 2008 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay351
My clutch has always been super soft. Even after I installed my marlin clutch. Can't complain though, I can DD this thing in traffic everyday easy!
Last time I jumped behind the wheel of my friends ranger my leg almost fell off by the time I got home..
good point
i am used to it now, but it sure does seem easy. someday, i will test drive a few other 88 3slo-s and do a comparison, till then, i guess it can / will wait.

thanks for all the replies
Daniel
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