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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 02:27 PM
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can I put a lock washer under a brass nut?

It may sound like an easy question but I don't know enough about metalurgy to know "yes or no". My exhaust keeps coming lose at the union between the doww tube and the manifold. I replaced the studs and nuts with factory replacements and the nuts are brass. Can I put a lockwasher under them and not cause any odd reactions with the metal and heat?


Please don'e me.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 02:52 PM
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Not sure on the metalurgy bit, but why not use high temp loctite? Lock washers don't really do much to keep a nut from coming loose anyway... I'd say either get a couple stover nuts and use those, or just loctite the brass ones up.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 02:56 PM
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Lock washers are fine. But I don't see the real reason for the brass nuts for the exhaust bolts tho. Brass is a pretty soft metal, IIR.....
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 02:57 PM
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Not sure on the metalurgy bit, but why not use high temp loctite? Lock washers don't really do much to keep a nut from coming loose anyway... I'd say either get a couple stover nuts and use those, or just loctite the brass ones up.
I have some blue locking stuff that I used on my skid plate but I think it'll burn off. I can try it and see what happens I guess.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 04:17 PM
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ah, im taking metalurgy. Yeah it should be fine, brass wont react with it i think..

just use some lockwire. thats what we do in the aircraft business.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 04:22 PM
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double nut it, also known as jam nuting.. tighten one nut down and then run another down on to it and tighten against eachouther. if you use this method with the brass nuts be carefull.. you could end out pulling the threads out of the nuts when tighting it down.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 04:31 PM
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yeah, or cotter pin it?
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 04:34 PM
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That double nut idea may be the ticket. Using wire won't work in there due to the limited amount of room I have to work in. It just irritates me since I can tighten them down and drive to work with no ticking and then on the way home the noise comes back.



I'll go see if I can find 6 more brass nuts and get this fixed.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 04:41 PM
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or you could stake it too. take a metal chisel and mash the threads into the nut or the other way around. 240,241, whatever works
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 05:43 PM
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Lock washer?
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 05:49 PM
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hmmm.... I just installed lock washers with my new manifold studs and nuts

and they're brass nuts...

but I just did it yesterday so we'll see if it holds up

I re-torqued them today after driving it and cycling the temperatures, and they were still pretty tight... but I guess we'll see
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 06:02 PM
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yeah, lock washers do a pretty good job. We had 2 classes on selflocking devices..
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 874runnersr5
yeah, lock washers do a pretty good job. We had 2 classes on selflocking devices..
2 classes? how many different types of self locking devices can there be?
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 06:23 PM
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Perhaps your exhaust is not properly hung under the vehicle? Missing or broken exhaust hangers often cause the exhaust to rattle loose.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 06:36 PM
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2 classes? how many different types of self locking devices can there be?
haha yeah, it was a boring two hours.
for aviation there are tones. all the mil specs and what the codes mean.
big pita
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 86tuning
Perhaps your exhaust is not properly hung under the vehicle? Missing or broken exhaust hangers often cause the exhaust to rattle loose.
I hadn't thought of that. I'll check in the morning just to be sure. Thanks for the help.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 06:59 PM
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I always just used stovers on mine. No problemo. Just don't use those vinyl lock nuts on those exhaust mani's lol... Makes it HELL to clean off after it's been baked on to thread a new nut onto it.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 08:13 PM
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lock washers are just fine, I have never had a lock washer come lose if properly tightened.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 08:51 PM
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I always just used stovers on mine. No problemo. Just don't use those vinyl lock nuts on those exhaust mani's lol... Makes it HELL to clean off after it's been baked on to thread a new nut onto it.
haha our teacher was telling us how a guy he worked with use one of those selflocking nuts. He used it in the engine and he said it was the biggest clean up ever.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 874runnersr5
haha yeah, it was a boring two hours.
for aviation there are tones. all the mil specs and what the codes mean.
big pita
after going through the BMR and the Airman books, its get AWFULLY boring. I got all the answers though
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