has anyone looked into alternative fuel systems. looking at soom lately and wow. hydrogen powered 4runner anyone? it's possible. we got my dads ford van running off a bucket of water and electricity. not well but it ran. i'm trying to design a better system than what i found , but ne 1 have any ideas?

 

Propane, it will run, isnt to costly and adds power.

 

eh i had propane on a 78 dodge snowcomander. i like the idea of not paying for any fuel

 

Find a jeep liberty CRD or a VW rabbit diesel, then run on veggie oil

 

http://theepicenter.com/tow102899.html

http://www.gotpropane.com/

 

i dunno about propane. i ran cost/risk/benifit model on biodiesel , propane and hydrogen and i can't find a downside to hydrogen. besides the fact that it heats the sun

 

Hydrogen is impractical right now, very impractical.

 

Would you consider E100 (ethanol) an alternative fuel? I saw a TV show where a country (somewhere in South America, I forget) produces all the ethanol they need, and does not import any oil.

 

That would be Brazil.

 

The only downside to propane is the physical space needed to store it on your truck. You can't get very far on a "gas-tank" amount of propane. Biodiesel is probably your best bet or straight ethanol. A lot of drag motors run pure alcohol and you can really run high compression etc check it out.

 

Thanks for the clarification Kaydon. We do need a renewable fuel source, what that might be, I haven't the foggiest.

 

but think about it . hydgogen is easily accesible. by using electricity it splits the water molecule and and creates oxeygen and hydrogen . otherwise known as hho or browns gas( i know funny name) it has the most energy per unit of any fuel source and has zero emissions.(insert joke here) me and a couple of other enginers have been working with smaller engines and generators to figure the best possible way to creat, store and manage a hydrogen powered car. you may never buy gasoline again! no 4 dollars a gallon the next time a huricane hits. also hydrogen has a much higher octane rating = more horsepower. and it doesn't leave deposits in intakes or cylinders like dirty gas. and you won't have to have a catalytic converter so it frees up flow = more horsepower. try that with propane or diesel and tell me how it works out for ya

 

It takes large amounts of electricity to produce practical amounts of hydrogen....and well it takes energy to make electricity....hydrogen is a great fuel...but producing it is not practical what so ever right now

 

There's a guy over on pirate swearing he can run E85 on his stock 22RE.
I investigated it a little bit and your narrowband will attempt to tune it properly, assuming the ECU allows for such compensation.
There are other issues with using E85, so don't take this as advice to use it.

Some states have tax credits. Federal law hasn't approved any E85 conversions yet, outside of "flex fuel" vehicles.

No power advantage for naturally aspirated, worse gas mileage... So obviously not an ideal fuel, just a step in the right direction.

 

I want to build an electric powered runner as soon as I can afford it. Too bad it costs $50K to do it right...

 

it doesn't require thatmuch more than a couple of deep cycle batteries actualy. couple that to a 200 amp alternator dedicated to the conversion tank and u should produce enough to run a 4 cylinder. hell a 3 liter bottle and a single deep cycle ran a generator 4 about an hour till we turned it off. if we hooked a battery charger to the generator and recharged the battery where would the lost energy be. most ppl have been programed to think it's not possible. i know a guy in clearwater florida with a taurus wagon running both gas and hho. hybrid and gets 100 miles a gallon. i know of at least3 other cars either running straight hho or split gas hho hybrid. i just want a rig i never want to fill up on gas. and electric doen't cost $50k to convert it usually costs about $5-6k to do it right .

 

Not exactly, on a recent trail run a guy had an 88 runner running propane, he ran the first tank for over 4 hours on basically empty. He says 1 8 gallon forklift tank will let him do 400 miles, thats Pretty good to me, 50mpg and it only costs about 20 bucks to fill..

 

Propane does not produce more power than gasoline.
Many, many vehicles run propane.
Propane conversions are available for quite a few vehicles.

Propane is a fossil fuel still, so we're not gaining much, fossil fuel wise, by switching.
It's not in infinite supply and it's certainly not renewable.





Fred

 

alot of energy is wasted with the internal combustion engine. i hate to say it...

perhaps hydrogen powered generators to charge our electric cars. (save the gasoline for our racecars.)

 

hydrogen racecars anyone??