Yep, sure enough, that's what he said, hahaha.... "Actually, we never made those arms to go through the existing holes...YOU MUST Drill holes to mount that upper support assembly."

I responded, "AHhhh, then I'm not crazy, lol. Well, then I guess the drill's coming out then, lol. Just curious, do you guys have a preferred method that you installed it that I could see? Thanks, Mark".

Oh well, I'll figure it out. I was thinking about it, and I started to think that it's built this way for strength, and if it was stronger putting the upper arms out further, they might have done that, lol. I'd bet this would take a bit more pounding than you think, Jerry. It's pretty heavy duty, and if I weld it in at the bottom and then at the top, thru the upper member.... I'm pretty sure it will take a beating without caving in, maybe? lol. Oh well, anyway, it should work out ok. I guess I'll get in there and look at how would be the best way to mount it underneath the upper bumper. The lower one?....the bolts go right through the cross member and guard-flange.... and it's thick. First, however, I will be figuring out how to resurface and paint it something other than white, lol.

THANKS, GUYS! Just wanted to be sure, ya know? I know the bottom mounting will take most of the punch if it takes a hit... but I'ma try to get it in solid on the top, too. I have a buddy with a perfect front bumper he said I can have for free... SO, if I ever wanted to go back to stock, I could, eh? lol.

L8r t8rs,

Mark

PS> Prayers on the 'NO OIL LEAKS, TOMORROW' issue, k? lol. Thanks

 

Chef, when you get ready to mount the bumper guard use stainless steel nuts and bolts on the top of the bumper after you drill the holes, that way it wont rust.

 

SWEET, Thanks Myyota...

Yeah, I plan to, and I have a GREAT store near me, "Love Lady Hardware"... it's famous, despite it's name! lol.

Anyway, I'll be getting some from there, for sure. I'll be getting pics for sure of this. I really like it, cuz it's not too tall and it should protect me pretty good and I get to MOUNT MY LIGHTS...Yes, Jerry is right, that's one concern. lol.... You should have seen this piece o crap at 4Wheelparts and pep boys for 180$....I could bend it with my hands, easily! But, then again, that was just a light bar. AND THEN AGAIN, 180$??? WTH? hahaha. I woulda been saying "Ummm, is this Addicted offroad? Yes, I need a...." hahaha.

Thanks again, Myyota,

Mark

 

Chef I can tell you for sure, that the Downey bar I had on my 2000 Tacoma was stout! I also had their 3/16" full skid plate that bolted to the lower part of the bar & ran underneath all the way past the oil pan and the combination was strong as crap! You will prob. be suprised once it's installed as to just how tough that bar is.

 

i'm not saying it was wimpy....but it's intended purpose is not a strength one....i'm sure it will be just fine Chef. it comes from a good heritage.

 

Hey Guys!

Yeah, it's rated for a pretty good POP from what I've read. It's got REALLY nice light mounts, too, lol...

I'm heading down, FINALLY, at 11AM to get my STUPID O-RING! haha. I'll be back with an update, soon, and thanks for the INPUT, GUYS!

Mark

 

STILL LEAKING..............



Welllllllllllllllllllll, crap! lol.

As you can see, it's leaking down that lower bolt, but it's actually coming from the A/C mounting bolt above it, which goes through the timing cover. In the middle of the video, you can see I move the camera to highlight the area that I'M PRETTY SURE, NOT CERTAIN it's seeming to leak out from. Yes, I could probably drive it like this for a while, but I really just want to get this over with.

ANY IDEAS?:

I am at a loss, guys. I guess I will, next, tear into the oil pump and change the o-ring and possibly Front Main Crank Seal(??). HOWEVER........ I'm beginning to wonder if the idiot forgot sealant on the cover on the side(the area behind/between that area where those 2 A/C Mounting bolts go in). In other words, where the timing cover meets the block.... is it possible that he forgot sealant, if it even goes there, and IF SO, would it leak ONLY right there?

Is that lil hump in the video, on the timing cover, between the 2 A/C mounting bolts an oil passage?

I could really use some ideas and input, guys, and maybe some encouragement, ...cuz I'm a bit discouraged at this point.

Thanks, Mark

PS> The steering is not leaking, that I can see, and is quiet and doing it's job, seemingly flawlessly. So at least I don't have to chase down that leak, HOPEFULLY, any longer!

 

mark....i read once about using a splash of talcum powder to trace a leak......basically will leave a trail as to where it originates.

 

Chef....another thing.....if you look at the FSM...and if i recall correctly those bolts on the oil pump are 2 different torques....may be worth putting a torque wrench to them again.

 

Sorry Mark, I do seem remember the FSM calling for a dap of silicone on the corners where the timing cover meets the block & head gasket. I'll double check. Hard to say where it might be coming from by watching the video but it does seem like a good amount is leaking, is that more or less then before? Don't be too upset about it, just another step in the path of excellence.

 

Thanks, Jerry, .....

Good idea.... I will try that. I was thinking of using the Lucas Stop Oil Leak stuff, but I know it's best to do IT RIGHT, the first time! (wish that dork would have practiced that when building my motor!

Anyway;

I am wondering if anyone knows if there are other bolts in the cover(PRIMARILY THE BOLTS THAT GO THROUGH THE A/C SUPPORT/BRACKET THROUGH THE TIMING COVER) .... do any of them, besides the Oil Pump Mounting bolt that I already did, ...do any of the others get sealant? I can NOT find that in the Haynes. NONE show 'apply sealant' directives!

I'm thinking either the cover is cracked or the gasket never got sealant... in which case I WILL wind up with other issues as this goes along.

Could it just be the Oil Pump O-Ring causing this? Front main seal?... If those leaked, where would it leak?... etc., etc.

Thanks for any input, guys!

PS> Roger(4crawler) pm'd me back and said, "I had that happen when I did my T-chain in my 85... pull the bolt out that's leaking and clean it, seal it and see"... pretty much what he said. I guess that's the primary reason I thought, "Do other bolts need sealant?" ... so I would love an answer on that, guys... if you know either way? Thanks, again,

Mark

 

I did that while in there. Took em to 18 on 1, 14 on 2 and 9 on 2. Thanks. Maybe they were tighter than that.... I should have pulled em out a bit and done a do over, grrr. They did check out at least that tight though.

It's not more, I don't think. Actually, it's about the same. So, whatever 'happened', it's still there, but doesn't seem worse. I didn't pull that hidden bolt when I did my cam without pulling the head.....so I wouldn't think that would be compromised. I held the back of the head down REALLY tight, too, with HD Straps to MANY POUNDS of pressure. Then I did the head in order. I have no HG leakage that I can see, either. Far as where it's coming from, if you look at the video, the higher bolt that holds in the AC bracket seems to be where it's leaking, then down the frame of the bracket to the head of the lower left bolt that goes through the AC bracket, then down that 45* angled silver/timing cover section that the bolt goes through...then onto the pan and back a lil before it leaks onto the front axle and cross member. I'm going to clean it up really good and check with powder... can't hurt. Also, I'm not SURE about the timing cover, but if neither of those AC bolts is supposed to get sealant.... I can't see what else could cause it to leak right there.

I know, Rob... I'm not a defeatist type of guy.... OBVIOUSLY! lol. However, this is really getting old, man! Actually, RIDICULOUS, comes to mind as the appropriate word. I know it's not me, ...I've gone above and beyond on being SURE OF EVERYTHING I've worked on... Still, it feels discouraging to keep hitting wall after wall, and then finding NEW THINGS that SHOULD BE FINE! lol. What an expensive lesson, Brother!

Mark

PS> Just to clarify, ....I don't see ANY oil or feel any above that top AC mounting bolt. I thought it was only coming from the bolt that's pretty much in the center/most forefront of the video...but it seems to be leaking down the AC bracket frame and ON TO that bolt, not from inside. When I wipe down the bolt and the aforementioned portion of the AC bracket, above that bottom bolt....I can see it running down the bracket, then to the back of the bolts head, then backward, with gravity, down the timing cover, then onward.

 

Mark...no other bolts get sealant

 

Thanks, Jerry, ....VERY much appreciated.

You know, I'm looking at the naked front end of the 22re on 4crawlers site, and there's not enough of a pic of that area.... I'm trying to figure out how oil can even get to that area, other than the o-ring or timing cover issue. Seems impossible, unless the timing cover is filling up with oil due to '.......SOMETHING.....'????

If the HG to Timing Cover surface was leaking, what would it do? Milkshake? Oil filling up the pan? Don't recollect that as being likely, but can't be sure. If the timing cover to block surface was leaking, it could, I suppose, maybe???, lol... but where? Doesn't seem to be leaking ANYWHERE else on that surface, including Head Gasket to Timing Cover, and neither is it leaking from either side of the timing cover(the vertical parts of the block-to-timing cover surfaces). So, I would think that it HAS to be something, internally in the timing cover, that's compromised, right?

I guess my main question is this;

'SHOULD THERE EVEN BEEEEEEEE OIL IN THAT AREA, OUTSIDE OF THE OIL PUMP O-RING?????'

Ahhhhhh, I'm sorry, .....don't mean to bore or become cumbersome... Just hoping for some GREAT YOTATECHIES to help me research this. I can't seem to find what could cause it. I got some powder, and I'ma do that, tonight, to triple check that it's DEFINITELY coming from the AC bracket mounting timing cover bolts.

Thanks again, Guys...

This really stinks, especially with my busiest season of the YEAR coming on me, fast! I NEED MY TRUCK TO HAVE NO WORRISOME ISSUES! lol.

Mark

 

Mark,

the timing cover to head mating area does NOTHING except that.......it joins together the HEAD and the timing cover......nothing special happens there except it is a hollow where the chain passes through........if there was a leak where those "dabs" of FIPG go, it would leak at that area.....not communicate all the way down unless you were seeing it run down the sides.

why would it be leaking at a bolt?....well.....you've seen where people mix up the bolts on a timing cover , right??? there are several bolts of varying lengths and such at work here. perhaps one is the wrong length...IE: too long in that area.......it's bottoming out in the block....so your torque reading will be accurate because....well, it can't turn any more....right.

i can say i used 4crawlers picture of the timing cover as a template........but the bolt descriptions as per his picture are likely accurate but did not make sense to me.....but what i did is just took each bolt from the piece of cardboard template i had and placed it in the corresponding hole......so basically i was one-for-one. did your builder do this?? i doubt it and given your experience with the cat with the cam, i would bet that's your problem.....wrong bolt in wrong hole.

you can take the bolts out and still be in good shape if i recall correctly.......the oil pump is being held in by the harmonic balancer and the "hidden" bolt is holding the top and the oil pan bolts are holding the bottom. get yourself a bolt kit (I believe www.22re.com sells them) and eliminate this possibility......unless you see a fissure or crack on your timing cover, that would be where my money is.

 

Hey Jerry, THANKSSSSSS, ....seriously, that was a great post! TWO THUMBS WAY UP! ....

I posted this on the other thread, but I'll just double it up here.. Now that you say that, it might be something I can do, without too much difficulty. Since nothing is leaking anywhere else, I'd like to figure out if it's just leaking out of that Center AC bracket-to-timing cover bolt, then dripping down, etc. From what I saw on his template, the bottom left one is BY FAR the longest one on the cover. 3 and 3/4 inches or something? Maybe they're reversed, eh? Not sure it would fit, since the other is like an inch shorter, but I'll check against his template when I have them out. I also have a buddy at Toyota who can help me out.... Anyway, here's the post I put on the new thread i made....

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"Hey Guys, ...some more pictures, with what I THINK, not sure, might be happening.....





As you can see, that bolt in the middle of the first picture, which holds in the AC Bracket, is actually one of 3 bolts that go through the timing cover and AC Bracket. You can also see the upper one, ......NOTHING, dry as a bone. That center one(middle of the first picture), I believe, is leaking out the bolt head and behind the bracket(where the timing cover meets the bracket), and it's PROBABLY being caused by a shotty job of 'sealing the cover gasket'.... Which, under pressure, and ESPECIALLY when the oil is warm, begins to collect there, as the chain is slinging oil everywhere in the cover, and it seeps through, then out the head of that one. (My guess is that the machinist, DORKUS MAXIMUS, only put sealant around the edge of the gasket in that area.... so it leaked through the gasket at this point, and into the bolt passage.) I think that when it's under higher pressure, and the fan is going really well, it's sending a lil onto the side of the oil pump(That's what I think that dirty dusty look is actually caused by. There is NO oil on the pump outer areas, coming from the bolts or otherwise).

You can't tell from the picture, but right under that bolt, the bracket surface is angled downward to the right, where the oil then flows around the underside, then runs on the edge of the bracket at an angle downward to the left, then pools up at that lower bolt and runs down the cover and onto the pan, etc., etc., and so on. It VERY WELL MAY be leaking out of that hole, too. But, unless I pull them, I'll never know.

SOOOOOOOO, after talking to my good buddy, Andy(a former member here...THANKS for your time, Andy... Can't wait to hit the Sierras soon!). I've decided to try something that he suggested might work.

1. Pull the AC compressor off the mount/bracket in question(to lighten the load off the bolts going into the block from both angles.)

2. Pull the bolts going through the AC bracket and timing cover(This will allow me to see if it's both the middle and lower one, or just the middle one, leaking)

3. Either one it is, I'm going to then REALLY CLEAN the holes out, then coat the bolt a bit with Toyota FIPK-Black, toward the end, but only on the area where it's going to be right up against the block... I'll measure it well to be sure I don't get much at all into the threads of the block).

4. I will also be slathering some on toward the head of the bolt, and behind the bracket and in front of it, where the surface meets the timing cover(This should help, if any oil still gets in at the gasket area, to keep it from making it's way out that hole)

Yes, there's a chance that it's not my only issue and that it might be cracked somewhere. But as a couple people were saying, including Roger, "It can leak past the gasket and work it's way into that bolt housing of the timing cover...." and as Andy said, "Look at it this way, it's 2 hours, max, to do this. You don't have to pull ANY of the stuff that you just did, and if it doesn't work, then you can get into the 6-8 hour job of pulling and replacing the entire cover, etc.... i would at least try it".


Thanks, Rob, Mouse, Jerry, Tim A.(Nice to meet ya!),

Rob, I think that it's REALLY unlikely that the oil pump is flawed in any way. From what I've learned in the last couple hours, ...Oil is slinging all over inside the cover from the chain, especially once it gets really warmed up(when it seems to get leaking worse) and also cuz it's under pressure after a short time. It COULD be the o-ring.... but I can't see it hurting to try this, first.

Whatcha guys think?

 

AC compressor, AC Bracket and all bolts in question, are out(THERE ARE 4 ON THE COVER, BTW! lol..... Shoulda seen me, "whyyyy wontttt thisssss, grrrrrr, ......oh....DOH!") hehehehe.

Anyway, long story short;

ONLY bolt that had oil on it was that second one up from the bottom,....the one in the center of the first pic in my last post. Oddly enough.... A BLOB of sealant was on the very end of it...NO WHERE else, none on the threads....just the end. I was thinking, "Could this have stopped it from fully seating?", etc., etc., etc., of course, rattling what is, at this point, THE CAN that is housing the think organ on my shoulders! lol.... NO OIL in ANY of the other holes, POSITIVE!

Sooooooooo, I guess I'll try what Andy said and slap it in with the sealant technique(not on the end, lol)...just where it is perpendicular to the block/timing cover/gasket surface...then, I'll slap it back together, let it set a day, like before, then start it up and see what happens. In the mean time, I'm going to go down to the Japanese Dismantler I love and pull some cover bolts to see WTH if anything is wrong with the 'length' theory. Why not, it'll take me 30 minutes or so, total, to get there and back. Sound logic? lol...

THANKS, guys, so much... I considered the dye thing, etc., but I had a strong feeling it was JUST from that bolt... and there IS an oil galley right on top and to the right of it, where oil can build up and get through, if the bolt isn't either fully torqued down or, maybe, just ANOTHER STUPID MOVE BY MR. MEANY MACHINIST! hahaha.

PLEASE, don't stop with your thoughts, ok? I'ma go get some pics right now, load em up and then hit the sack. HUGE weekend for me, every year. Plus, I have work, all day, along with this CRAP(only say that cuz I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE DOING THIS! lol), which makes my days around 20 hours or so.

BRB w/pics!

Mark

 

Here's some pics; 1st pic is of the 4 bolts that had to come out of the timing cover...


This is the SUCKER THAT'S LEAKING! Could it be that HUGE BLOB of RTV that got in the passage, and then when he installed the bolt, on the end of the bolt??? Who knows! hahaha. We'll see when I try to seal it up. Might have to get in there with an exacto and clean some of that away for my idea to be effective.... here is the ONLY hole that was leaking....



Here, below, is a video, a BAD ONE, explaining some of what's going on...

 

Mark....in this pic, does this bolt have 2 or 3 washers on it?????????

the bolt almost dead-center in the pic....is that the offending one????

 

Hey Jerry, hope your BDAY was a blast! To answer your question, yes, that one that 'APPEARS' to have multiple washers is the 'offender'! hahaha. However, there's only ONE washer. Below that?>> It's actually part of the casting of the AC Bracket/Brace. You know, like an alternator mounting brace has?

Pertaining to the question I had.... what would be the best way to get that clump of sealant out of there, shaving it to 'clean with the cover and block surface?

Thanks, guys, I'ma head out there, soon as I'm done prepping for lunch!

Mark